http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means
nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means
nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means
nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility meansHe did nothing of the sort, your favourite parties have a big say in the current government and yet you still have to lie. You are pathetically sad. Tony
nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787
He did nothing of the sort, your favourite parties have a big say in the >current government and yet you still have to lie. You are pathetically sad. >Tony
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means
nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:49:04 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netHe did not say it was the fault of the National government as you lied in your heading. He is complaining about officials, not necessarily correctly since he is oftyen over the top.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787
He did nothing of the sort, your favourite parties have a big say in the >>current government and yet you still have to lie. You are pathetically sad. >>Tony
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means >>>nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
Of course he did. Are you saying that the public sector over the last
9 years was totally uninfluenced by the Ministers of the Crown who set
their budgets, policies and priorities? Or are you saying that Hosking
is wrong and that all is right with the public service?
Who do you think is responsible for ensuring that we have good health >services, clean water and that markets are effective?Meaningless and off topic
Hosking clearly expected better performance in these areas, and is now >looking for someone to do somethiing about them.
Regarding water, in other reports we hear that despite clear breaches
of regulations, the responsible government organisation has not made
any prosecutions. In one of the worst cases that Hosking mentions >specifically, the Mayor of the area just happens to have been Lawrence
Yule - whose name you may recognise as now being a National Party MP .
. .
Now you may believe that the Health department would have been better
off without Coleman - they may also believe that - but they would
still have had to work within budgets set by the government. DO you
really believe that the problems Hosking raised have nothing to do
with the government over the last 9 years. The current government has
only been in office for about 5 weeks - they are clearly not
responsible for the problems that arose during National's term in
government . . .
Cheap slurs about other posters do not substitute for facts, Tony.Indeed, if you were to practice that suggestion you would never post here again since you slur cheaply anybody and everybody who is not left wing.
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:49:04 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787
He did nothing of the sort, your favourite parties have a big say in the >current government and yet you still have to lie. You are pathetically sad. >Tony
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means >>nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
Of course he did. Are you saying that the public sector over the last
9 years was totally uninfluenced by the Ministers of the Crown who set
their budgets, policies and priorities? Or are you saying that Hosking
is wrong and that all is right with the public service?
Who do you think is responsible for ensuring that we have good health services, clean water and that markets are effective?
Hosking clearly expected better performance in these areas, and is now looking for someone to do somethiing about them.
Regarding water, in other reports we hear that despite clear breaches
of regulations, the responsible government organisation has not made
any prosecutions. In one of the worst cases that Hosking mentions specifically, the Mayor of the area just happens to have been Lawrence
Yule - whose name you may recognise as now being a National Party MP .
. .
Now you may believe that the Health department would have been better
off without Coleman - they may also believe that - but they would
still have had to work within budgets set by the government. DO you
really believe that the problems Hosking raised have nothing to do
with the government over the last 9 years. The current government has
only been in office for about 5 weeks - they are clearly not
responsible for the problems that arose during National's term in
government . . .
Cheap slurs about other posters do not substitute for facts, Tony.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means
nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:07:58 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787Hoskin never once mentions the National Party or government. That
article criticizes various parts of the 'Public Service'.
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means
nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English,
etc . . .
You are correct that the blame game starts at the top - but none of
those you name run the departments concerned. The thrust of that
article is incompetent public servants. You have tried to turn this
into an issue of incompetent political masters. That's a fail.
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different
government . . .
Who is 'we' Rich? The current government, for the first time, does
not include the single most popular party. The current Government
includes an NZF Minister hell bent on threatening beneficiaries with a work-for-the-dole scheme and a Green policy that is quite the opposite
of this. Having two minor parties in government with opposing
viewpoints will make interesting politics for as long as it lasts.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:With Ministers setting policies, spending, priorities, in some cases
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:49:04 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netHe did not say it was the fault of the National government as you lied in your >heading. He is complaining about officials, not necessarily correctly since he >is oftyen over the top.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787
He did nothing of the sort, your favourite parties have a big say in the >>>current government and yet you still have to lie. You are pathetically sad. >>>Tony
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means >>>>nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English, >>>>etc . . .
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different >>>>government . . .
Of course he did. Are you saying that the public sector over the last
9 years was totally uninfluenced by the Ministers of the Crown who set >>their budgets, policies and priorities? Or are you saying that Hosking
is wrong and that all is right with the public service?
Meaningless and off topic
Who do you think is responsible for ensuring that we have good health >>services, clean water and that markets are effective?
Hosking clearly expected better performance in these areas, and is now >>looking for someone to do something about them.
Regarding water, in other reports we hear that despite clear breaches
of regulations, the responsible government organisation has not made
any prosecutions. In one of the worst cases that Hosking mentions >>specifically, the Mayor of the area just happens to have been Lawrence
Yule - whose name you may recognise as now being a National Party MP .
. .
Now you may believe that the Health department would have been better
off without Coleman - they may also believe that - but they would
still have had to work within budgets set by the government. DO you
really believe that the problems Hosking raised have nothing to do
with the government over the last 9 years. The current government has
only been in office for about 5 weeks - they are clearly not
responsible for the problems that arose during National's term in >>government . . .
Indeed, if you were to practice that suggestion you would never post here again
Cheap slurs about other posters do not substitute for facts, Tony.
since you slur cheaply anybody and everybody who is not left wing.
What a patronising old man you are!
Tony
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 15:51:14 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI never mentioned "öffocials", clearly from a language I am not fluent in. But that aside you are simply wrong, as in deliberately trying to attach responsibility where it does not belong.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:With Ministers setting policies, spending, priorities, in some cases >approving appointments and montoring results, the performance of the >öffocials"and that of ministers in inseparable. If he had been
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:49:04 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netHe did not say it was the fault of the National government as you lied in >>your
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787 >>>>>
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means >>>>>nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English, >>>>>etc . . .He did nothing of the sort, your favourite parties have a big say in the >>>>current government and yet you still have to lie. You are pathetically sad. >>>>Tony
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different >>>>>government . . .
Of course he did. Are you saying that the public sector over the last
9 years was totally uninfluenced by the Ministers of the Crown who set >>>their budgets, policies and priorities? Or are you saying that Hosking
is wrong and that all is right with the public service?
heading. He is complaining about officials, not necessarily correctly since >>he
is oftyen over the top.
praising our public service you would have attributed that to the
party in charge . . . but then yu were not trying to be honest . . .
See above - you lied!Meaningless and off topic
Who do you think is responsible for ensuring that we have good health >>>services, clean water and that markets are effective?
Hosking clearly expected better performance in these areas, and is now >>>looking for someone to do something about them.
Regarding water, in other reports we hear that despite clear breaches
of regulations, the responsible government organisation has not made
any prosecutions. In one of the worst cases that Hosking mentions >>>specifically, the Mayor of the area just happens to have been Lawrence >>>Yule - whose name you may recognise as now being a National Party MP .
. .
Now you may believe that the Health department would have been better
off without Coleman - they may also believe that - but they would
still have had to work within budgets set by the government. DO you >>>really believe that the problems Hosking raised have nothing to do
with the government over the last 9 years. The current government has >>>only been in office for about 5 weeks - they are clearly not
responsible for the problems that arose during National's term in >>>government . . .
The involvement of Ministers in the results of departments is
indisputable - but don't let that stop you blindly hiding from the
failures of the rejected last National government . . .\
Indeed, if you were to practice that suggestion you would never post here >>again
Cheap slurs about other posters do not substitute for facts, Tony.
since you slur cheaply anybody and everybody who is not left wing.
What a patronising old man you are!
Tony
With Ministers setting policies, spending, priorities, in some cases approving appointments and montoring results, the performance of the öffocials"and that of ministers in inseparable. If he had been praising
our public service you would have attributed that to the party in charge
. . . but then yu were not trying to be honest . . .
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 15:51:14 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netsad.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:49:04 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11954787 >>>>
Its starts at the top - but of course personal responsibility means >>>>nothing to the likes of Coleman, Collins, Bridges, Brownlee, English, >>>>etc . . .He did nothing of the sort, your favourite parties have a big say in the >>>current government and yet you still have to lie. You are pathetically
Thankfully we agree with Hosking and have elected a different >>>>government . . .
yourHe did not say it was the fault of the National government as you lied inTony
Of course he did. Are you saying that the public sector over the last
9 years was totally uninfluenced by the Ministers of the Crown who set >>their budgets, policies and priorities? Or are you saying that Hosking
is wrong and that all is right with the public service?
heheading. He is complaining about officials, not necessarily correctly since
is oftyen over the top.With Ministers setting policies, spending, priorities, in some cases approving appointments and montoring results, the performance of the öffocials"and that of ministers in inseparable. If he had been
praising our public service you would have attributed that to the
party in charge . . . but then yu were not trying to be honest . . .
Meaningless and off topic
Who do you think is responsible for ensuring that we have good health >>services, clean water and that markets are effective?
Hosking clearly expected better performance in these areas, and is now >>looking for someone to do something about them.
Regarding water, in other reports we hear that despite clear breaches
of regulations, the responsible government organisation has not made
any prosecutions. In one of the worst cases that Hosking mentions >>specifically, the Mayor of the area just happens to have been Lawrence >>Yule - whose name you may recognise as now being a National Party MP .
. .
Now you may believe that the Health department would have been better
off without Coleman - they may also believe that - but they would
still have had to work within budgets set by the government. DO you >>really believe that the problems Hosking raised have nothing to do
with the government over the last 9 years. The current government has >>only been in office for about 5 weeks - they are clearly not
responsible for the problems that arose during National's term in >>government . . .
The involvement of Ministers in the results of departments is
indisputable - but don't let that stop you blindly hiding from the
failures of the rejected last National government . . .
againIndeed, if you were to practice that suggestion you would never post here
Cheap slurs about other posters do not substitute for facts, Tony.
since you slur cheaply anybody and everybody who is not left wing.
What a patronising old man you are!
Tony
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:22:52 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:could believe it didn't include the cock-up that was the nine years of marxist muppetry that lead up to National winning the election in 2008. Besides which only YOU believe
Only a well brainwashed (in your case I use the word 'brain'very loosely)
In fact looking at the pathetic showing of Winston's government I wonder howmuch worse off if we'd just had another nine years of a Labour government.
On 2017-12-07, bowesjohn02@gmail.com <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:could believe it didn't include the cock-up that was the nine years of marxist muppetry that lead up to National winning the election in 2008. Besides which only YOU believe
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:22:52 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
Only a well brainwashed (in your case I use the word 'brain'very loosely)
how much worse off if we'd just had another nine years of a Labour government.In fact looking at the pathetic showing of Winston's government I wonder
Well that is why we have elections.
At present this Government is somewhat different to the last one, in more ways than one and after nine years takes some getting use to.
Rich why do you persist in telling lies! Nationals 'rejection'is only due toone of the biggest liars in the New Zealand parliament Winston 'baubles'Peters who demonstrated some of the filthiest politics in New Zealand history. Just as
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