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  • Re: Pike RIver families don't want National's lies and cover-ups

    From bowesjohn02@gmail.com@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 20, 2017 22:06:31
    On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 6:23:26 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

    you think they'll put up with little Andrew repeating the 'lies' as he's already started doing Rich? Only a complete idiot like you, Little or Jacinda have trouble understanding that Pike river is a disaster juat waiting for idiots to re-enter so it can
    have another barbque!

    Pooh

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 18:23:55
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 00:49:30
    On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:23:26 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

    National only ever said they'd do what they could to get them out. What they 'could' was too dangerous.
    From the safety of opposition Labour were unequivocal - they had advice that they could safely get them out and would do so. Now they are starting to weasel
    out claiming they would do it *if* it was safe - the same thing National said.

    Labour are backpedaling all over the place. They've made so many promises that they never expected to be held to and now they're stuck. Priceless.

    And the workers were not in the drift anyway and anything past the drift has collapsed rock falls. There's no way in hell they'll ever get to the ashes that
    are left of the miners.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 08:08:43
    On 11/21/2017 7:06 PM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

    you think they'll put up with little Andrew repeating the 'lies' as he's
    already started doing Rich? Only a complete idiot like you, Little or Jacinda have trouble understanding that Pike river is a disaster juat waiting for idiots to re-enter so it
    can have another barbque!

    Sadly this will be a background noise for the next few parliaments.
    Those family members screaming for reentry have no problem with liebor
    telling them the facts that from the Nats were so abhorrent.
    Leave the bodies there. Got to be the most expensive cemetery in NZ



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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to So they on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 08:09:52
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:49:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:23:26 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

    National only ever said they'd do what they could to get them out. What they 'could' was too dangerous.
    So they said, but they wouldn;t listen to others, or show anyone their
    advice.

    From the safety of opposition Labour were unequivocal - they had advice that they could safely get them out and would do so.
    They were aware that advice existed, and promised they could do
    whatever was possible, which they are doing - responsibly, and with
    the invovlement of the families. You appear not to understand why a
    government may want to be open and transparent . . .

    Now they are starting to weasel out claiming they would do it *if* it was safe
    - the same thing National said.
    Not the same at all - they are spending real money to do whatever cvan
    be done - all National did was hide evidence and avice that they did
    not want people to know.


    Labour are backpedaling all over the place. They've made so many promises that
    they never expected to be held to and now they're stuck. Priceless.
    That's not how the families see it - they are happy with what Labour
    are doing, and pleased that it has been given the high priority that
    it has been. National are hardly making friends in that electorate -
    but then making friends has always been with the 1 percenters for
    them, hasn't it?

    And the workers were not in the drift anyway and anything past the drift has collapsed rock falls. There's no way in hell they'll ever get to the ashes that
    are left of the miners.
    So now you are an armchair expert - perhaps you should talk to the
    families on National's behalf - you coudn't do worse than National
    did.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:56:48
    On Wednesday, 22 November 2017 08:09:16 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:49:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:23:26 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

    National only ever said they'd do what they could to get them out. What they
    'could' was too dangerous.
    So they said, but they wouldn;t listen to others, or show anyone their advice.

    From the safety of opposition Labour were unequivocal - they had advice that
    they could safely get them out and would do so.
    They were aware that advice existed, and promised they could do
    whatever was possible, which they are doing - responsibly, and with
    the invovlement of the families. You appear not to understand why a government may want to be open and transparent . . .

    Now they are starting to weasel out claiming they would do it *if* it was
    safe - the same thing National said.
    Not the same at all - they are spending real money to do whatever cvan
    be done - all National did was hide evidence and avice that they did
    not want people to know.


    Labour are backpedaling all over the place. They've made so many promises
    that they never expected to be held to and now they're stuck. Priceless.
    That's not how the families see it - they are happy with what Labour
    are doing, and pleased that it has been given the high priority that
    it has been. National are hardly making friends in that electorate -
    but then making friends has always been with the 1 percenters for
    them, hasn't it?

    And the workers were not in the drift anyway and anything past the drift has
    collapsed rock falls. There's no way in hell they'll ever get to the ashes that
    are left of the miners.
    So now you are an armchair expert - perhaps you should talk to the
    families on National's behalf - you coudn't do worse than National
    did.

    Before the election:
    "Cross-party agreement pledges a reentry of Pike River Mine" https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/95798732/crossparty-agreement-pledges-a-reentry-of-pike-river-mine

    After the election:

    "Pike River Re Entry a Dangerous Task" - Andrew Little.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/pike-river-re-entry-a-dangerous-task-andrew-little.html

    "Pike River re-entry the goal but not at any cost" Jacinda Ardern http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11946011

    After all the cheap talk from the opposition benches, Labour are now in full-on
    weasel mode. They raised expectations in a cynical exploitation of a tragedy. Utterly disgraceful.

    Meanwhile Winston Peters, who made the ludicrous statement that he would go into the mine to help recover the bodies, has got his baubles and completely disappeared from sight. Typical lazy irresponsible behaviour from the drunken lying dwarf.

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  • From bowesjohn02@gmail.com@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 13:21:25
    On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 8:56:49 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 November 2017 08:09:16 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:49:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:23:26 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the >> issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

    National only ever said they'd do what they could to get them out. What
    they 'could' was too dangerous.
    So they said, but they wouldn;t listen to others, or show anyone their advice.

    From the safety of opposition Labour were unequivocal - they had advice
    that they could safely get them out and would do so.
    They were aware that advice existed, and promised they could do
    whatever was possible, which they are doing - responsibly, and with
    the invovlement of the families. You appear not to understand why a government may want to be open and transparent . . .

    Now they are starting to weasel out claiming they would do it *if* it was
    safe - the same thing National said.
    Not the same at all - they are spending real money to do whatever cvan
    be done - all National did was hide evidence and avice that they did
    not want people to know.


    Labour are backpedaling all over the place. They've made so many promises
    that they never expected to be held to and now they're stuck. Priceless.
    That's not how the families see it - they are happy with what Labour
    are doing, and pleased that it has been given the high priority that
    it has been. National are hardly making friends in that electorate -
    but then making friends has always been with the 1 percenters for
    them, hasn't it?

    And the workers were not in the drift anyway and anything past the drift
    has collapsed rock falls. There's no way in hell they'll ever get to the ashes that are left of the miners.
    So now you are an armchair expert - perhaps you should talk to the
    families on National's behalf - you coudn't do worse than National
    did.

    Before the election:
    "Cross-party agreement pledges a reentry of Pike River Mine" https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/95798732/crossparty-agreement-pledges-a-reentry-of-pike-river-mine

    After the election:

    "Pike River Re Entry a Dangerous Task" - Andrew Little.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/pike-river-re-entry-a-dangerous-task-andrew-little.html

    "Pike River re-entry the goal but not at any cost" Jacinda Ardern http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11946011

    After all the cheap talk from the opposition benches, Labour are now in
    full-on weasel mode. They raised expectations in a cynical exploitation of a tragedy. Utterly disgraceful.

    Meanwhile Winston Peters, who made the ludicrous statement that he would go
    into the mine to help recover the bodies, has got his baubles and completely disappeared from sight. Typical lazy irresponsible behaviour from the drunken lying dwarf.

    It's Rich, JohnO. Anything resembling common sense or truth is abhorrent to the
    trolling twit. He's just like Winston's government. Utterly useless!

    Pooh

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 21:09:48
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 November 2017 08:09:16 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:49:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:23:26 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

    National only ever said they'd do what they could to get them out. What
    they 'could' was too dangerous.
    So they said, but they wouldn;t listen to others, or show anyone their
    advice.

    From the safety of opposition Labour were unequivocal - they had advice
    that they could safely get them out and would do so.
    They were aware that advice existed, and promised they could do
    whatever was possible, which they are doing - responsibly, and with
    the invovlement of the families. You appear not to understand why a
    government may want to be open and transparent . . .

    Now they are starting to weasel out claiming they would do it *if* it was >> >safe - the same thing National said.
    Not the same at all - they are spending real money to do whatever cvan
    be done - all National did was hide evidence and avice that they did
    not want people to know.


    Labour are backpedaling all over the place. They've made so many promises >> >that they never expected to be held to and now they're stuck. Priceless.
    That's not how the families see it - they are happy with what Labour
    are doing, and pleased that it has been given the high priority that
    it has been. National are hardly making friends in that electorate -
    but then making friends has always been with the 1 percenters for
    them, hasn't it?

    And the workers were not in the drift anyway and anything past the drift
    has collapsed rock falls. There's no way in hell they'll ever get to the ashes
    that are left of the miners.
    So now you are an armchair expert - perhaps you should talk to the
    families on National's behalf - you coudn't do worse than National
    did.

    Before the election:
    "Cross-party agreement pledges a reentry of Pike River Mine" >https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/95798732/crossparty-agreement-pledges-a-reentry-of-pike-river-mine
    Rich has posted many times his (more often than not lying) accusation that National leaders and the National party have themselves lied. Fair enough virtually all politicians lie! But this was an unequivocal promise. Maybe Rich would prefer unambiguous, I cannot understand what drives him!

    After the election:

    "Pike River Re Entry a Dangerous Task" - Andrew Little.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/pike-river-re-entry-a-dangerous-task-andrew-little.html

    "Pike River re-entry the goal but not at any cost" Jacinda Ardern >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11946011

    After all the cheap talk from the opposition benches, Labour are now in >full-on weasel mode. They raised expectations in a cynical exploitation of a >tragedy. Utterly disgraceful.

    Meanwhile Winston Peters, who made the ludicrous statement that he would go >into the mine to help recover the bodies, has got his baubles and completely >disappeared from sight. Typical lazy irresponsible behaviour from the drunken >lying dwarf.

    Tony

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, November 23, 2017 07:34:18
    On 2017-11-21, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    The really interesting event on the Pike River is the Surpreme Court's
    decision against check book justice.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99166885/worksafe-decision-to-drop-pike-river-charges-unlawful

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  • From bowesjohn02@gmail.com@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, November 23, 2017 04:37:08
    On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 6:23:26 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

    Guess what Rich. Bet they're not to pleased at Labours lies and evasions either. To date they've been promised.

    1. In by Xmas (Little).

    2. In by Xmas 2018 (Little)

    3. In by Xmas 2019 (Jacinda)

    None if it's found to be to dangerous.

    Difference between National and Labour is National don't use dead people to help them win elections!

    Now the truth Rich as you've been told and a VERY good documentary on Pike River told us, is that the mine was known to be dangerous when Labour first granted them the permit to mine. The dangers were reported to the EMPU which was presided over by
    Little. Nothing was done to follow up on these concerns. Part of which was blamed on a lack of mines inspectors that had started under National but still had 8 when Labour took over the government in 1999 and by 2008 had let the number of inspectors drop
    to ONE!

    It's good to see the whitewash of responsibility has been partially removed. What's need still is for Andrew Little to be honest for once in his life and explain why he did nothing about the dangerous lack of mines inspectors under Labour AND didn't do
    anything about miners complaints!

    Pooh

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Gordon on Friday, November 24, 2017 08:03:42
    On 11/23/2017 8:34 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-11-21, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    The really interesting event on the Pike River is the Surpreme Court's decision against check book justice.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99166885/worksafe-decision-to-drop-pike-river-charges-unlawful


    So are the relatives going to give back the 'bribe' that somehow they
    readily accepted at the time. ?

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Friday, November 24, 2017 08:05:54
    On 11/24/2017 1:37 AM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 6:23:26 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99037871/risk-could-scupper-reentering-pike-river-mine

    National's stupid claims are being seen for the lies and spin that
    they are - National has not changed from its dishonest handling of the
    issues right from the start.

    Now the families are getting an honest, open and inclusive process,
    with Labour moving quickly to meet its promises.

    Guess what Rich. Bet they're not to pleased at Labours lies and evasions
    either. To date they've been promised.

    1. In by Xmas (Little).

    2. In by Xmas 2018 (Little)

    3. In by Xmas 2019 (Jacinda)

    None if it's found to be to dangerous.

    Difference between National and Labour is National don't use dead people to
    help them win elections!

    Now the truth Rich as you've been told and a VERY good documentary on Pike
    River told us, is that the mine was known to be dangerous when Labour first granted them the permit to mine. The dangers were reported to the EMPU which was presided over by
    Little. Nothing was done to follow up on these concerns. Part of which was blamed on a lack of mines inspectors that had started under National but still had 8 when Labour took over the government in 1999 and by 2008 had let the number of inspectors drop
    to ONE!

    It's good to see the whitewash of responsibility has been partially removed.
    What's need still is for Andrew Little to be honest for once in his life and explain why he did nothing about the dangerous lack of mines inspectors under Labour AND didn't do
    anything about miners complaints!

    Pooh


    So far all liebor have done is talk and hand over keys to a gate.
    Three months time nothing will have changed

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