On Monday, 13 November 2017 14:53:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11943461

Oh dear relying on National to hold their hand so soon?

There is nothing that can be done to overcome the Greens not so well hidden neo-communist agenda.
Tony

Yep. Unlike Labour and NZF the Greens stick to their principles no matter how misguided they are, and won't backflip at the drop of a hat.

Poor old Green Party. We all knew ahead of the election that Labour would shaft
them as they always have. First the Kermadec sanctuary, then TPP and now this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11943252

The fishing lobby are getting great value out of Winston.

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On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:57:34 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2017 14:53:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11943461

Oh dear relying on National to hold their hand so soon?

There is nothing that can be done to overcome the Greens not so well hidden neo-communist agenda.
Tony

Yep. Unlike Labour and NZF the Greens stick to their principles no matter how

misguided they are, and won't backflip at the drop of a hat.

Poor old Green Party. We all knew ahead of the election that Labour would

shaft them as they always have. First the Kermadec sanctuary, then TPP and now this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11943252

The fishing lobby are getting great value out of Winston.

Starting to wonder if the coalition of losers will last till Christmas let alone eighteen months :)

Poor wee Richie will be so depressed :)

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:53:41 -0800 (PST), bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:57:34 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2017 14:53:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> > JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11943461

Oh dear relying on National to hold their hand so soon?

Not quite. It would not be possible for National to oppose the CPTPP
with any credibility - so they are continuing to support an agreement
largely negotiated while they were in Government.

There is nothing that can be done to overcome the Greens not so well hidden
neo-communist agenda.
Tony

Yep. Unlike Labour and NZF the Greens stick to their principles no matter how misguided they are, and won't backflip at the drop of a hat.

Poor old Green Party. We all knew ahead of the election that Labour would shaft them as they always have. First the Kermadec sanctuary, then TPP and now this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11943252

The fishing lobby are getting great value out of Winston.

Starting to wonder if the coalition of losers will last till Christmas let alone eighteen months :)

Poor wee Richie will be so depressed :)

It is an interesting scenario - the Greens having to put up with
actions from Labour that they could never approve of. The Greens also
having to put up with a three-way Government where they are the 3rd
party, not the second.

If the Greens could have found a way to form a Government with
National, they would be the second party and in Government.


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On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:15:43 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:53:41 -0800 (PST), bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:57:34 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2017 14:53:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11943461

Oh dear relying on National to hold their hand so soon?

Not quite. It would not be possible for National to oppose the CPTPP
with any credibility - so they are continuing to support an agreement
largely negotiated while they were in Government.

There is nothing that can be done to overcome the Greens not so well hidden
neo-communist agenda.
Tony

Yep. Unlike Labour and NZF the Greens stick to their principles no matter how misguided they are, and won't backflip at the drop of a hat.

Poor old Green Party. We all knew ahead of the election that Labour would shaft them as they always have. First the Kermadec sanctuary, then TPP and now this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11943252

The fishing lobby are getting great value out of Winston.

Starting to wonder if the coalition of losers will last till Christmas let alone eighteen months :)

Poor wee Richie will be so depressed :)

It is an interesting scenario - the Greens having to put up with
actions from Labour that they could never approve of. The Greens also
having to put up with a three-way Government where they are the 3rd
party, not the second.

If the Greens could have found a way to form a Government with
National, they would be the second party and in Government.

The difference in view by the Greens highlights the preparedness of
the parties in this government to repsect differences between
themselves, and also the openness with the public that contrasts with
the previous secretive National-led governments. We are seeing treaty
being put to parliament - previously National took the view that they
did not need input from others, and that telling people what was
proposed before it happened was not necessary. That tolerance and
respect make this a truly different government - one that will be
respected for its honesty even by those that do not get their way on
particular issues - at least they will be heard.

National may get an opportunity to demo9nstrate how far they will go
in their pique at not being able to find any friends to get themselves
into government - they promised to be obstructive, but even they are
starting to realise that cutting off your nose to spite your face may
leave them in the wilderness for longer than if they actually for once
think about the good of the country. They have already shown that they
are prepared to renege on a promise to gain short term advantage -
they broke a promise to allow an unopposed election of Speaker in
order to wrangle to get their own decisions on select committees
reversed. Have they learned that being obstructive is not in their
best interests?

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On 11/13/2017 8:15 PM, Crash wrote:

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:53:41 -0800 (PST), bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:57:34 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2017 14:53:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11943461

Oh dear relying on National to hold their hand so soon?

Not quite. It would not be possible for National to oppose the CPTPP
with any credibility - so they are continuing to support an agreement
largely negotiated while they were in Government.

There is nothing that can be done to overcome the Greens not so well hidden
neo-communist agenda.
Tony

Yep. Unlike Labour and NZF the Greens stick to their principles no matter how misguided they are, and won't backflip at the drop of a hat.

Poor old Green Party. We all knew ahead of the election that Labour would shaft them as they always have. First the Kermadec sanctuary, then TPP and now this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11943252

The fishing lobby are getting great value out of Winston.

Starting to wonder if the coalition of losers will last till Christmas let alone eighteen months :)

Poor wee Richie will be so depressed :)

It is an interesting scenario - the Greens having to put up with
actions from Labour that they could never approve of. The Greens also
having to put up with a three-way Government where they are the 3rd
party, not the second.

If the Greens could have found a way to form a Government with
National, they would be the second party and in Government.

A good thing that they decided to go with liebor then.
Interesting point some bloggers don't like calling liebor liebor as it's
not their name...
A) No sense of humour
B) And such denial.
Every politician lies, it's part of the gig and some lie more and less convincing than others



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On Monday, 13 November 2017 22:49:26 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:15:43 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:53:41 -0800 (PST), bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:57:34 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2017 14:53:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11943461

Oh dear relying on National to hold their hand so soon?

Not quite. It would not be possible for National to oppose the CPTPP
with any credibility - so they are continuing to support an agreement >largely negotiated while they were in Government.

There is nothing that can be done to overcome the Greens not so well

hidden

neo-communist agenda.
Tony

Yep. Unlike Labour and NZF the Greens stick to their principles no matter

how misguided they are, and won't backflip at the drop of a hat.

Poor old Green Party. We all knew ahead of the election that Labour would

shaft them as they always have. First the Kermadec sanctuary, then TPP and now this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11943252

The fishing lobby are getting great value out of Winston.

Starting to wonder if the coalition of losers will last till Christmas let

alone eighteen months :)

Poor wee Richie will be so depressed :)

It is an interesting scenario - the Greens having to put up with
actions from Labour that they could never approve of. The Greens also >having to put up with a three-way Government where they are the 3rd
party, not the second.

If the Greens could have found a way to form a Government with
National, they would be the second party and in Government.

The difference in view by the Greens highlights the preparedness of
the parties in this government to repsect differences between

Blah blah blah...

And Labour don't even know what their main coalition partner's view is:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11943675

This so called coalition is barely unwrapped but already looks like a disorganised clusterfuck.

Altogether predictable when you have the clueless inexperience of the Labour leadership and the wily, dishonest Winston doing whatever he pleases.

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On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 8:00:58 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2017 22:49:26 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:15:43 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:53:41 -0800 (PST), bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:57:34 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2017 14:53:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11943461

Oh dear relying on National to hold their hand so soon?

Not quite. It would not be possible for National to oppose the CPTPP >with any credibility - so they are continuing to support an agreement >largely negotiated while they were in Government.

There is nothing that can be done to overcome the Greens not so well

hidden

neo-communist agenda.
Tony

Yep. Unlike Labour and NZF the Greens stick to their principles no

matter how misguided they are, and won't backflip at the drop of a hat.

Poor old Green Party. We all knew ahead of the election that Labour

would shaft them as they always have. First the Kermadec sanctuary, then TPP and now this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11943252

The fishing lobby are getting great value out of Winston.

Starting to wonder if the coalition of losers will last till Christmas

let alone eighteen months :)

Poor wee Richie will be so depressed :)

It is an interesting scenario - the Greens having to put up with
actions from Labour that they could never approve of. The Greens also >having to put up with a three-way Government where they are the 3rd >party, not the second.

If the Greens could have found a way to form a Government with
National, they would be the second party and in Government.

The difference in view by the Greens highlights the preparedness of
the parties in this government to repsect differences between

Blah blah blah...

And Labour don't even know what their main coalition partner's view is:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11943675

This so called coalition is barely unwrapped but already looks like a

disorganised clusterfuck.

Altogether predictable when you have the clueless inexperience of the Labour

leadership and the wily, dishonest Winston doing whatever he pleases.

Considering how pigheaded the Greens are on so many issues that will benefit New Zealand. Labour is bloody lucky to have a helpful party like National to get legislation through :)

Pooh

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On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:15:46 PM UTC+13, Crash wrote:

If the Greens could have found a way to form a Government with
National, they would be the second party and in Government.

The Greens membership has ruled this out. No doubt James consulted with other Party leading lights on the possibility of doing a deal with National but the answer would have been "Do not even think of having a chat with Bill English". Trouble is the Green Party is an ultra left wing (probably feminist dominated too), not an environment party. So James their leader for whom I have some respect has been made to look like a fool for working within the parameters the
Party has set.
Even if the Greens had no intention with going with National, their hand in coalition talks would have been greatly strengthened if he had some discussions
with Bill. The Greens collectively are completely daft.

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