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  • There is no parliamentary Opposition - will we get one?

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 06, 2017 17:19:09
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, November 05, 2017 20:37:38
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:19:10 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    We have one Rich. Pity Labour makes a habit of failing to comprehend rules. Just like you do. Jacinda with her determination to give unions more power IS the biggest risk our democracy has seen in years! She thinks Baubles Peters has
    the right to do what
    he feels like rather than what makes sense. Now HIS decision was another threat
    to democracy.

    You Rich are about to see exactly what an opposition is and it ain't going to be anything like the sheep that bleated so much over the last nine years.

    When the coalition of losers fly's apart just remember it was Winston who set the poor fools up for the car crash they'll be next election.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 06, 2017 15:56:33
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:19:10 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    With Labour happy to bypass select committee's on legislation their's a denial of democracy straight off the bat Rich. Funny but I get the distinct impression
    that you and Labour have your own private ideas of the meaning of democracy and
    poverty along
    with so many other words you both use with abandon. Guess it reflects a mindset
    that has closer ties to the Communist Manifesto than reality.

    Pooh

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 06, 2017 16:41:09
    On Monday, 6 November 2017 17:19:10 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    We had no opposition from 2008-2017 and now we have no government:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98638163/government-forced-to-do-a-deal-with-national-after-failing-to-have-the-numbers-in-the-house

    That's nothing short of humiliating for Labour.

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  • From peterwn@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 06, 2017 19:01:50
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:19:10 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    An Opposition member was nearly elected Speaker today and Labour conceded Select Committee numbers so all Opposition members could have a place on one Select Committee or another. So there must be an Opposition.
    QED
    Perhaps it is Jacinda who is imagining that there is no Opposition.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 22:03:51
    On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 16:41:09 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 6 November 2017 17:19:10 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    We had no opposition from 2008-2017 and now we have no government:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98638163/government-forced-to-do-a-deal-with-national-after-failing-to-have-the-numbers-in-the-house

    That's nothing short of humiliating for Labour.

    They did have the numbers, but wanted the agreed unanimous vote for
    Mallard. National reneged on a deal - guess they are holding onto
    being as destructive as possible instead of a respponsible opposition.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to peterwn@paradise.net.nz on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 22:11:00
    On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:01:50 -0800 (PST), peterwn
    <peterwn@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:19:10 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    An Opposition member was nearly elected Speaker today and Labour conceded Select Committee numbers so all Opposition members could have a place on one Select Committee or another. So there must be an Opposition.
    QED
    Perhaps it is Jacinda who is imagining that there is no Opposition.

    What is shows is that National cannot be trusted to keep their word. Disappointing even if not very surprising - after all it is that untrustworthiness that left them without friends to get themselves
    into government . . .

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 04:31:19
    On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 10:11:00 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:01:50 -0800 (PST), peterwn
    <peterwn@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:19:10 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    An Opposition member was nearly elected Speaker today and Labour conceded
    Select Committee numbers so all Opposition members could have a place on one Select Committee or another. So there must be an Opposition.
    QED
    Perhaps it is Jacinda who is imagining that there is no Opposition.

    What is shows is that National cannot be trusted to keep their word. Disappointing even if not very surprising - after all it is that untrustworthiness that left them without friends to get themselves
    into government . . .

    No Rich. As always your lack of comprehension skills lets you down yet again. National had nothing to do with the new government. That was purely a fit of spite on Winston's part. Take a look at Jacinta. The poor woman's aged ten years in the last ten
    days and seems to have lost her smile. She probably won't last the hundred days
    she goes on about. Whatever happens when the melt down comes will be a coalition of losers. The pertinent question isn't 'will we get an opposition?. It's WILL WE GET AN
    EFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT. I predict the opposition will run roughshod over the 'government'both in the house and in the committees they'll dominate.

    Hope you've got plenty of popcorn George cause we're going to need tons to see us through to the inevitable disintegration of the coalition of losers. Then we'll get a government back without having to worry about winsome Winnie or the
    Greens :)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 04:33:19
    On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 10:03:51 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 16:41:09 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 6 November 2017 17:19:10 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    We had no opposition from 2008-2017 and now we have no government:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98638163/government-forced-to-do-a-deal-with-national-after-failing-to-have-the-numbers-in-the-house

    That's nothing short of humiliating for Labour.

    They did have the numbers, but wanted the agreed unanimous vote for
    Mallard. National reneged on a deal - guess they are holding onto
    being as destructive as possible instead of a respponsible opposition.

    So what 'deal'did National renege on Rich. They were quite happy to have Mallard. not surprising as he's probably one of the few people in the house is totaly up to date on the rules considering how often he's fallen foul of them :)

    Pooh

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 10:19:09
    They had no clue. They never would have made such a concession otherwise. Hipkins and Ardern are lying like flatfish to try and hide their embarrassment.
    The politics journos have called it.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 08:20:34
    On 11/7/2017 1:41 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 6 November 2017 17:19:10 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    We had no opposition from 2008-2017 and now we have no government:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98638163/government-forced-to-do-a-deal-with-national-after-failing-to-have-the-numbers-in-the-house

    That's nothing short of humiliating for Labour.


    One word sums it up.

    Bunnies..

    Several words.

    Not fit for purpose.

    And its not as if they're new to the political game...

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 08:22:34
    On 11/8/2017 7:19 AM, JohnO wrote:
    They had no clue. They never would have made such a concession otherwise.
    Hipkins and Ardern are lying like flatfish to try and hide their embarrassment.
    The politics journos have called it.


    And three more years...
    Pandering to Peters, every bit of legislation goes past him before the opposition crowds it out in committee

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Pooh on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 08:25:29
    On 11/8/2017 1:31 AM, Pooh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 10:11:00 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:01:50 -0800 (PST), peterwn
    <peterwn@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:19:10 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/simon-bridges-thinks-that-simon-bridges-is-eroding-parliamentary-democracy

    An Opposition member was nearly elected Speaker today and Labour conceded Select Committee numbers so all Opposition members could have a place on one Select Committee or another. So there must be an Opposition.
    QED
    Perhaps it is Jacinda who is imagining that there is no Opposition.

    What is shows is that National cannot be trusted to keep their word.
    Disappointing even if not very surprising - after all it is that
    untrustworthiness that left them without friends to get themselves
    into government . . .

    No Rich. As always your lack of comprehension skills lets you down yet again.
    National had nothing to do with the new government. That was purely a fit of spite on Winston's part. Take a look at Jacinta. The poor woman's aged ten years in the last ten
    days and seems to have lost her smile. She probably won't last the hundred days
    she goes on about. Whatever happens when the melt down comes will be a coalition of losers. The pertinent question isn't 'will we get an opposition?. It's WILL WE GET AN
    EFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT. I predict the opposition will run roughshod over the 'government'both in the house and in the committees they'll dominate.

    Hope you've got plenty of popcorn George cause we're going to need tons to
    see us through to the inevitable disintegration of the coalition of losers. Then we'll get a government back without having to worry about winsome Winnie or the Greens :)

    Pooh


    Its not as if liebor are new at the game and that, had they been
    capable, would have done the same thing.
    Being a long slow watch of the fall to the deck its more Cab Sav and
    various cheeses

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