On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:05:26 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one.

Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)

Pooh

Winston's funny. Says NZ needs to do more for exporters. But his key policies will be the end of TPPA and will mean that primary producers won't be able to staff their farms when immigration is cut off. Don't think Winston actually asked any exporters
what they needed.

We've had 9 years of stable and Winston free government. Get ready for 3 or less of clusterfuck as Comrade Jacinda fails to control her own herd of cats let alone stay on top of what Winston's up to.

Gonna be an entertaining ride - get your popcorn out.

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Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one. Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)


Pooh

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On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 7:19:41 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:05:26 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one.

Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)

Pooh

Winston's funny. Says NZ needs to do more for exporters. But his key policies

will be the end of TPPA and will mean that primary producers won't be able to staff their farms when immigration is cut off. Don't think Winston actually asked any exporters
what they needed.

We've had 9 years of stable and Winston free government. Get ready for 3 or

less of clusterfuck as Comrade Jacinda fails to control her own herd of cats let alone stay on top of what Winston's up to.

Gonna be an entertaining ride - get your popcorn out.

Will it go longer than eighteen months? :)

Pooh

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On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 8:57:48 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 23:19:40 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:05:26 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one.

Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)

Pooh

Winston's funny. Says NZ needs to do more for exporters. But his key

policies

will be the end of TPPA and will mean that primary producers won't be
able to staff their farms when immigration is cut off. Don't think
Winston actually asked any exporters what they needed.

Are you making this up? Clearly you did not listen to Winston - he
covered both your issues in his statement - stressing the need for us
to develop exports, and reassuring them that they did not need to
worry about immigration needed for that purpose

We've had 9 years of stable and Winston free government. Get ready for 3 or

less of clusterfuck as Comrade Jacinda fails to control her own herd of cats let alone stay on top of what Winston's up to.

Stable, comatose, static, out of ideas, desperation with lies and
cover-ups substituting for progress. We have had the clusterfuck - now
we have hope for real collaborative effort and progress.

Gonna be an entertaining ride - get your popcorn out.

I'm not surprised you'd stick up for the lying, self serving, bastard that is Winston Peters, Rich. You share the ability to lie at the drop of a hat.

you were going on about Labour not having a $10 billion shortfall in their budgeting. Well forming a coalition of losers with Winston and the Greens they will now have some thing like a $20 billion dollar shortfall with the grandiose
plans of the idiot
left for high speed rail and new container ports with a need to double the tracks to Wangarei. Hope you like the idea of paying 35% tax on your primary income again like we did before Labour introduced GST! because we will along with a 20 or 25% GST to
pay for all the housing that'll not get built for about a thousand reasons....

Labour! They've done us!


Pooh

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On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 23:19:40 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:05:26 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one. Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)


Pooh

Winston's funny. Says NZ needs to do more for exporters. But his key policies >will be the end of TPPA and will mean that primary producers won't be
able to staff their farms when immigration is cut off. Don't think
Winston actually asked any exporters what they needed.

Are you making this up? Clearly you did not listen to Winston - he
covered both your issues in his statement - stressing the need for us
to develop exports, and reassuring them that they did not need to
worry about immigration needed for that purpose

We've had 9 years of stable and Winston free government. Get ready for 3 or less of clusterfuck as Comrade Jacinda fails to control her own herd of cats let alone stay on top of what Winston's up to.

Stable, comatose, static, out of ideas, desperation with lies and
cover-ups substituting for progress. We have had the clusterfuck - now
we have hope for real collaborative effort and progress.

Gonna be an entertaining ride - get your popcorn out.

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On Thursday, 19 October 2017 20:57:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 23:19:40 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:05:26 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one.

Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)

Pooh

Winston's funny. Says NZ needs to do more for exporters. But his key

policies

will be the end of TPPA and will mean that primary producers won't be
able to staff their farms when immigration is cut off. Don't think
Winston actually asked any exporters what they needed.

Are you making this up? Clearly you did not listen to Winston - he
covered both your issues in his statement

Oh really? What exactly did he say that covered my issues?

- stressing the need for us
to develop exports, and reassuring them that they did not need to
worry about immigration needed for that purpose

Oh, because Winston says we don't need to worry it's all ok? Given Winston's propensity to tell lies of convenience, only the very stupid would be comforted
by his empty statements.

We've had 9 years of stable and Winston free government. Get ready for 3 or

less of clusterfuck as Comrade Jacinda fails to control her own herd of cats let alone stay on top of what Winston's up to.

Stable, comatose, static, out of ideas, desperation with lies and
cover-ups substituting for progress. We have had the clusterfuck - now
we have hope for real collaborative effort and progress.

What we had was stable government, growth and surplus. Fact.

Gonna be an entertaining ride - get your popcorn out.

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On 10/19/2017 7:05 PM, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one.

Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)


Well now we'll be able to see all those houses built and the hospitals
running at a profit /sarcasm mode off.
Peters has just spent the last three Parliaments voting with lieber so
what's new


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On 10/19/2017 7:19 PM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:05:26 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one. Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)


Pooh

Winston's funny. Says NZ needs to do more for exporters. But his key policies

will be the end of TPPA and will mean that primary producers won't be able to staff their farms when immigration is cut off. Don't think Winston actually asked any exporters
what they needed.

We've had 9 years of stable and Winston free government. Get ready for 3 or

less of clusterfuck as Comrade Jacinda fails to control her own herd of cats let alone stay on top of what Winston's up to.

Gonna be an entertaining ride - get your popcorn out.

And the water tax. Dont forget the water tax...
Six months and the interest rate will be 8-10% and growth in minus
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:01:55 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 10/19/2017 7:05 PM, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard

one. Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll >probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)

Well now we'll be able to see all those houses built and the hospitals >running at a profit /sarcasm mode off.
Peters has just spent the last three Parliaments voting with lieber so
what's new

You are responding to the Pooh-troll, george - all piss and wind with
no substance.

Your use of the perjorative "liebor" is just spin and you know it. The
real liars that come from the last nine years, and the recent election
campaign in particular, are National - capped off by the "Big Lie" of
Joyce and English, claiming a non-existent hole in Labours numbers.
That lie together with their lies about NZ First, Labour and the Green
Party were arguably enough to lose National their hope of government
yesterday, without all the other lies about their own policies and New Zealand's financial position.

Yes we wil see houses built, and yes that will require more skilled
immigrants. As for hospitals running at a profit, there you go
sticking to the National mantra - they deliberately ran down the
public health system to "encourage" more people to take out health
insurance and deliver profits to Bills mates in the doctor-owned
private hospitals. Yes they believed in making profit from health
services - for the private owners of hospitals competing with the
public sector, often using the same surgeons who were able to exploit
public sector shortages to deliver themselves greater profit through
their own facility. The rorts by the NAtional Party did not end there
however - they also developed Charter schools which were a thinly
disguised "profit opportunity" for private individuals and groups. I
suspect it was not just incompetence that meant that contracts were
agreed that did not require capital grants to be repaid is such a
school closed - what happened to the land paid for with government
money from one school that did not last long was carefully hidden from
the public; rumour was that it became a farm for one of the previous
school owners . . .

So why you would want to make profit from hospitals says more about
you than anything else, george

And as for voting records, look them up - you will be surprised at how
often Labout, NZ First and the Greens actually voted with National
over the last 9 years. Constructive opposition does not blindly vote
against everything; a lesson that I suspect National and its blind
acolytes still need to understand.

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On Friday, 20 October 2017 09:27:55 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:03:40 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 10/19/2017 7:19 PM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:05:26 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one.

Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)

Pooh

Winston's funny. Says NZ needs to do more for exporters. But his key

policies will be the end of TPPA and will mean that primary producers won't be able to staff their farms when immigration is cut off. Don't think Winston actually asked any
exporters what they needed.

We've had 9 years of stable and Winston free government. Get ready for 3

or less of clusterfuck as Comrade Jacinda fails to control her own herd of cats
let alone stay on top of what Winston's up to.

Gonna be an entertaining ride - get your popcorn out.

And the water tax. Dont forget the water tax...

Absolutely. We know that National had public servants prepare a report
on the best way to resolve water resource management issues through a
water tax - the new government will be able to benefit from that work
- it is possible that they will agree with the proposals National were
having investigated, and we could have all members of parliament
agreeing with National's proposed solutions!

Another area where National were working was on options for a regional
tax to meet requests from Auckland for additional funding of major
transport and infrastructure requirements - there again the new
government may well be able to introduce legislation based on that
work that National had in progress for solutions that all MPs can
agree.

Six months and the interest rate will be 8-10% and growth in minus >quantities

You clearly haven't been watching what has been happening, george -
interests rates from quite a few lenders are over 30% on a nominal

He's *obviously* talking about mortgages. Your comments are idiotic.

basis, the "real" rate being much higher when charges are taken into
account. Such lending has been profitable - the companies advertise on television. I think you are right that there needs to be consumer
protection against such leeches who are drawing profit from the
desperation of people who have been abandoned by National with its
punitive changes to welfare systems. You do realise that real growth
has been static for some years now don't you george? Even with many immigrants buying their way into New Zealand productivity on a per
capita basis has been at best zero for some years - with it only being
kept up to zero by counting the housing bubble as real growth . . ..

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:03:40 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 10/19/2017 7:19 PM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:05:26 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard one. Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)


Pooh

Winston's funny. Says NZ needs to do more for exporters. But his key policies will be the end of TPPA and will mean that primary producers won't be able to staff their farms when immigration is cut off. Don't think Winston actually asked any exporters

what they needed.

We've had 9 years of stable and Winston free government. Get ready for 3 or less of clusterfuck as Comrade Jacinda fails to control her own herd of cats let alone stay on top of what Winston's up to.

Gonna be an entertaining ride - get your popcorn out.

And the water tax. Dont forget the water tax...

Absolutely. We know that National had public servants prepare a report
on the best way to resolve water resource management issues through a
water tax - the new government will be able to benefit from that work
- it is possible that they will agree with the proposals National were
having investigated, and we could have all members of parliament
agreeing with National's proposed solutions!

Another area where National were working was on options for a regional
tax to meet requests from Auckland for additional funding of major
transport and infrastructure requirements - there again the new
government may well be able to introduce legislation based on that
work that National had in progress for solutions that all MPs can
agree.

Six months and the interest rate will be 8-10% and growth in minus
quantities

You clearly haven't been watching what has been happening, george -
interests rates from quite a few lenders are over 30% on a nominal
basis, the "real" rate being much higher when charges are taken into
account. Such lending has been profitable - the companies advertise on television. I think you are right that there needs to be consumer
protection against such leeches who are drawing profit from the
desperation of people who have been abandoned by National with its
punitive changes to welfare systems. You do realise that real growth
has been static for some years now don't you george? Even with many
immigrants buying their way into New Zealand productivity on a per
capita basis has been at best zero for some years - with it only being
kept up to zero by counting the housing bubble as real growth . . ..

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On 10/20/2017 9:39 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Friday, 20 October 2017 09:27:55 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

You clearly haven't been watching what has been happening, george -
interests rates from quite a few lenders are over 30% on a nominal

He's *obviously* talking about mortgages. Your comments are idiotic.

What is it with these liebor kooks.
They want more houses built.
That means more buyers and more mortgages.
It means the Reserve Bank has certain powers that limit the amount of
money available for mortgages.
rich is talking about those scam merchants in Auckland who lend money at exorbitant rates to the poor and dispossessed.
One might ask as to why he knows about their interest rates

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On Friday, October 20, 2017 at 9:08:32 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:01:55 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 10/19/2017 7:05 PM, Pooh wrote:

Do what's best for new Zealand? That's a Tui add if ever I've heard

one. Winston stabs the voters in the back yet again. The upside it'll >probably be the end of New Zealand. It's a marriage made in hell:)

Well now we'll be able to see all those houses built and the hospitals >running at a profit /sarcasm mode off.
Peters has just spent the last three Parliaments voting with lieber so >what's new

You are responding to the Pooh-troll, george - all piss and wind with
no substance.

<typical crap from Rich snipped>


Piss wind and no substance are all your strong points Rich. Your typical of the
loopy left and that includes ALL leftys. You think Labour won. They didn't! They came second were beaten by 200,000 votes. National was head and shoulders above them. Winston
did exactly what I told you months ago and made them government. Now if you actually have something to refute my claims come out and say it to me. Not behind my back like the troll you are Rich.

Pooh

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