Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!are ... difficult.
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party offools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?yourselves.
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!The very idea is likely to put me off my glass of wine tonight!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place >are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of >fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Trust me (as people often say just before they lie!) I didn't vote for him or his party.
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!are ... difficult.
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party offools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?yourselves.
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:are ... difficult.
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place
of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party
yourselves.Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:place are ... difficult.
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one
of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party
yourselves.
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
If they were pragmatic politicians they would find a way but there is an old saying "hoist by one's own petard".allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:I am convinced that National would be more than happy to do that.
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one
place
are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little
party
of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the
party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts >> >>out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great >> >>way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour. >> >>
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
However I don't think the Greens have the smarts to be that pragmatic and >>they
would be concerned that it might be the end of their party.
Tony
They (the Greens) can't do it. Their campaign was all about removing National >so they shut themselves out of the opportunity to do something for the >environment. If they had actually campaigned about improving the environment >(silly idea!) they would be free to do just that with National.
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:I am convinced that National would be more than happy to do that.
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place >>>are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party >>>of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of >>>yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party >> vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out >> the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way >> to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in >> my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
allistar <a@b.com> wrote:place
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one
partyare ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little
partyof fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of >>>yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the
outvote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts
waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great
theyto start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in >> my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the >rug out from underneath Winston.I am convinced that National would be more than happy to do that.
However I don't think the Greens have the smarts to be that pragmatic and
would be concerned that it might be the end of their party.
Tony
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
On Friday, 13 October 2017 11:41:12 UTC+13, allistar wrote:baubles and a couple of his less damaging policies but tell him he can take the
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in >> > my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
I'd like to see the Nats play hard-ball with Winston. Let him have a couple of
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:are ... difficult.
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party >> vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out >> the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way >> to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in >> my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:place are ... difficult.
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one
party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little
yourselves.
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
party
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the
outvote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts
waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in >> my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the >rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour. >> >>
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They can't
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour. >>> >>
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the >>> >rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader
says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 07:50:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>out
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts
waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great
into start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly
And you know that is a cynical distortion - she did however alsomy view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour. >>>> >>
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the >>>> >rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader
says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
Rich you seem to need reminding about the Greens issues with a
co-leader who thought it would benefit the party for her to admit to
her historic benefit fraud.
With a leader this dishonest and withThey did drop their party vote a little, but overall the Labour/Green
such poor political judgment is it any wonder that the Greens lost out
so much in the recent general election?
The Greens have ruled out ever being in Government with National -Why do you lie? They have ruled it out under current management and
meaning that they can never align with National's blue-green gingerSince you are wrong about your basic premise, your blatant political
group to advance their cause. This stance from the Greens perpetuates
an image of a watermelon party - a little bit green on the outside
but mostly red.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:46:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>place are ... difficult.
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 07:50:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one
And you know that is a cynical distortion - she did however alsoMeaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the >>>>> >rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >>>>> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting. >>>>
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
Rich you seem to need reminding about the Greens issues with a
co-leader who thought it would benefit the party for her to admit to
her historic benefit fraud.
highlight the poverty of empathy in our social welfare system.
Bill
English was not as honest in dealing with his mis-claiming of benefits
of course, but then you doubtless see no problem if its a National MP
doing it . . .
With a leader this dishonest and withThey did drop their party vote a little, but overall the Labour/Green
such poor political judgment is it any wonder that the Greens lost out
so much in the recent general election?
block gained quite a bit. What are the lapses of political judgement
that caused much greater proportionate losses of support for the Maori
Party, United Future and ACT?
Why do you lie?
The Greens have ruled out ever being in Government with National -
They have ruled it out under current management and
policies of National, but they have cooperated with NAtional in the
past and have not ruled out doing so in future.
meaning that they can never align with National's blue-green gingerSince you are wrong about your basic premise, your blatant political
group to advance their cause. This stance from the Greens perpetuates
an image of a watermelon party - a little bit green on the outside
but mostly red.
venom can be safely ignored.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>place are ... difficult.
wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one
party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little
yourselves.
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
party
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the
outvote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts
waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great
into start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly
can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour. >> >>
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the >> >rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader
says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:00:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:13:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>It is however not a permanent commitment - where do they say they
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:46:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 07:50:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:And you know that is a cynical distortion - she did however also >>>highlight the poverty of empathy in our social welfare system.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >>>>>>> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting. >>>>>>
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National >>>>>nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>>>says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the >>>>>good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
Rich you seem to need reminding about the Greens issues with a >>>>co-leader who thought it would benefit the party for her to admit to >>>>her historic benefit fraud.
What she did, and was politically punished for, was admit to
historical benefit fraud. She found out the hard way what empathy
voters have for that.
BillCan you cite any proof that Bill English has ever been on a benefit?
English was not as honest in dealing with his mis-claiming of benefits
of course, but then you doubtless see no problem if its a National MP >>>doing it . . .
Why do you make baseless accusations of lying?With a leader this dishonest and withThey did drop their party vote a little, but overall the Labour/Green >>>block gained quite a bit. What are the lapses of political judgement
such poor political judgment is it any wonder that the Greens lost out >>>>so much in the recent general election?
that caused much greater proportionate losses of support for the Maori >>>Party, United Future and ACT?
Why do you lie?
The Greens have ruled out ever being in Government with National -
They have ruled it out under current management and
policies of National, but they have cooperated with NAtional in the
past and have not ruled out doing so in future.
If you read this clearly:
https://www.greens.org.nz/page/voting-2017
you will see an unequivocal commitment that excludes National.
rules out ever being in Government with National?
ThereThe MoU expired with the election. There is no doubt that the Green
is also the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Greens and >>Labour. The Greens providing any accommodation to National is clearly >>incompatible with their commitments to the MOU.
Party will work well with Labour during the next term - whether in
government or opposition - but that does not prevent the Greens
working with National in the future - although that wold require a >recognition by National of some of our very real problems that the
Green Party is concerned about.
Your descent into unjustified putdown is noted.meaning that they can never align with National's blue-green ginger >>>>group to advance their cause. This stance from the Greens perpetuates >>>>an image of a watermelon party - a little bit green on the outsideSince you are wrong about your basic premise, your blatant political >>>venom can be safely ignored.
but mostly red.
If you can show any evidence that the Green Party have rules out ever
working with National then I would accept that my criticism is
unjustified - if you are not deliberately lying you will be able to
justify your own statements.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:13:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:46:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 07:50:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little
party
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the
It is however not a permanent commitment - where do they say theyAnd you know that is a cynical distortion - she did however alsoMeaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >>>>>> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting. >>>>>
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National >>>>nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>>says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
Rich you seem to need reminding about the Greens issues with a
co-leader who thought it would benefit the party for her to admit to
her historic benefit fraud.
highlight the poverty of empathy in our social welfare system.
What she did, and was politically punished for, was admit to
historical benefit fraud. She found out the hard way what empathy
voters have for that.
BillCan you cite any proof that Bill English has ever been on a benefit?
English was not as honest in dealing with his mis-claiming of benefits
of course, but then you doubtless see no problem if its a National MP
doing it . . .
Why do you make baseless accusations of lying?With a leader this dishonest and withThey did drop their party vote a little, but overall the Labour/Green
such poor political judgment is it any wonder that the Greens lost out
so much in the recent general election?
block gained quite a bit. What are the lapses of political judgement
that caused much greater proportionate losses of support for the Maori >>Party, United Future and ACT?
Why do you lie?
The Greens have ruled out ever being in Government with National -
They have ruled it out under current management and
policies of National, but they have cooperated with NAtional in the
past and have not ruled out doing so in future.
If you read this clearly:
https://www.greens.org.nz/page/voting-2017
you will see an unequivocal commitment that excludes National.
ThereThe MoU expired with the election. There is no doubt that the Green
is also the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Greens and
Labour. The Greens providing any accommodation to National is clearly >incompatible with their commitments to the MOU.
Your descent into unjustified putdown is noted.meaning that they can never align with National's blue-green gingerSince you are wrong about your basic premise, your blatant political
group to advance their cause. This stance from the Greens perpetuates
an image of a watermelon party - a little bit green on the outside
but mostly red.
venom can be safely ignored.
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:place are ... difficult.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one
National stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay around
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the >> >> >rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader
says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have?
Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity let alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone.
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly for a change :)
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT), poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:one place are ... difficult.
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in
little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his
yourselves.
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
the party
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via
acts outvote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He
great waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A
silly into start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather
labour.my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth
the
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull
can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. Theyrug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting. >> >
behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have?
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader
says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood
National stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay around
$32,000 for allowances he wrongly claimed.
alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity let
with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly for a change :)As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone.Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
National have to say. Shaw did not say that National just has to pick
up the phone. If National had anything worthwhile to say then the
process of getting agreement from party members could start - but it
seems Bill English is not interested - do you know why he didn't pick
up the phone?
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go
I haven't seen your posting name before - are you trying to emulate
the Pooh-troll - or are you Pooh and realised that you had lost all credibility long ago? If this is indeed your first post to the group
then you have not made a good start.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stoodbehind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have? Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity let alone
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone. Theyalso have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly for
Can you cite any proof that Bill English has ever been on a benefit?
On 2017-10-15, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Can you cite any proof that Bill English has ever been on a benefit?
Some would say that what he was one for the last nine years.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:23:29 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>yourselves.
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:00:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:13:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:46:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 07:50:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo? >>>>>>>> >>>
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it. >>>>>>>> >>
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >>>>>>>> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting. >>>>>>>
Now you are being deliberately obtuse - you are certainly aware ofAnd you know that is a cynical distortion - she did however also >>>>highlight the poverty of empathy in our social welfare system.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National >>>>>>nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>>>>says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the >>>>>>good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
Rich you seem to need reminding about the Greens issues with a >>>>>co-leader who thought it would benefit the party for her to admit to >>>>>her historic benefit fraud.
What she did, and was politically punished for, was admit to
historical benefit fraud. She found out the hard way what empathy
voters have for that.
BillCan you cite any proof that Bill English has ever been on a benefit?
English was not as honest in dealing with his mis-claiming of benefits >>>>of course, but then you doubtless see no problem if its a National MP >>>>doing it . . .
With a leader this dishonest and withThey did drop their party vote a little, but overall the Labour/Green >>>>block gained quite a bit. What are the lapses of political judgement >>>>that caused much greater proportionate losses of support for the Maori >>>>Party, United Future and ACT?
such poor political judgment is it any wonder that the Greens lost out >>>>>so much in the recent general election?
I quote from that article:It is however not a permanent commitment - where do they say theyWhy do you make baseless accusations of lying?
Why do you lie?
The Greens have ruled out ever being in Government with National -
They have ruled it out under current management and
policies of National, but they have cooperated with NAtional in the >>>>past and have not ruled out doing so in future.
If you read this clearly:
https://www.greens.org.nz/page/voting-2017
you will see an unequivocal commitment that excludes National.
rules out ever being in Government with National?
"We will not form a coalition with National".
That is their current commitment. That is why NZ First get to choose
who will lead the next government.
The claim was that this is a permanent exclusion - we agree that theirAgreed - but the current position of the Green party means that theThereThe MoU expired with the election. There is no doubt that the Green
is also the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Greens and >>>Labour. The Greens providing any accommodation to National is clearly >>>incompatible with their commitments to the MOU.
Party will work well with Labour during the next term - whether in >>government or opposition - but that does not prevent the Greens
working with National in the future - although that wold require a >>recognition by National of some of our very real problems that the
Green Party is concerned about.
next government cannot include National.
"meaning that they can never align with National" is blatantly untrue
Your descent into unjustified putdown is noted.meaning that they can never align with National's blue-green ginger >>>>>group to advance their cause. This stance from the Greens perpetuates >>>>>an image of a watermelon party - a little bit green on the outside >>>>>but mostly red.Since you are wrong about your basic premise, your blatant political >>>>venom can be safely ignored.
So you do recognise that some accomodation wbetween National and theSee my comments above. Given this there would clearly be a
If you can show any evidence that the Green Party have rules out ever >>working with National then I would accept that my criticism is
unjustified - if you are not deliberately lying you will be able to
justify your own statements.
significant shift on the part of the Greens to have any accommodation
with National now or in the future.
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 19:33:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:yourselves.
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT), poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >> >> >> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting. >> >> >
Of course there is - he applied for the money, and he eventuallyNational stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay around
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader
says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have?
$32,000 for allowances he wrongly claimed.
No evidence he knowingly committed fraud, as you well know, you smearing little piece of shit.
alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.
Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity let
with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly for a change :)Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone.
National have to say. Shaw did not say that National just has to pick
up the phone. If National had anything worthwhile to say then the
process of getting agreement from party members could start - but it
seems Bill English is not interested - do you know why he didn't pick
up the phone?
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go
I haven't seen your posting name before - are you trying to emulate
the Pooh-troll - or are you Pooh and realised that you had lost all
credibility long ago? If this is indeed your first post to the group
then you have not made a good start.
On 10/15/2017 4:42 PM, poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:comprehend the meaning that most of us do.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have? Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity let alone
a change :)
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone. They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly for
Rich is one of the gifts that just keeps on giving.
Evidently all those press releases by the greens have gone over riches >head.
They DO NOT WANT anything to do with National and are happy for taxinda
to bargain for them..
Benefit fraud is a serious crime and punishable by imprisonmentIndeed, but as Bill English has shown, repaying the money can be
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 02:15:33 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>in one place are ... difficult.
wrote:
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 19:33:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT), poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board
little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his
of yourselves.
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed
the party
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via
He acts outvote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston?
great waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A
silly into start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather
labour.my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth
pull the
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and
meeting.rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >> >> >> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a
They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government.
behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have?
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >> >> says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood
little piece of shit.National stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay around
$32,000 for allowances he wrongly claimed.
No evidence he knowingly committed fraud, as you well know, you smearing
Of course there is - he applied for the money, and he eventually
admitted that he should not have received it and repaid the money. Of
course as a National MP he claimed "Its not my fault gov - they made
me do it!" - you can always rely on any National MP to avoid taking
personal responsibility; they only believe in personal responsibility
for others . . . It did however result in no prosecution being
taken. We have as much evidence for his fraud as we do for that of
Metiria Turei . . .
let alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.
Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity
go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly for a change :)Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone.
National have to say. Shaw did not say that National just has to pick
up the phone. If National had anything worthwhile to say then the
process of getting agreement from party members could start - but it
seems Bill English is not interested - do you know why he didn't pick
up the phone?
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they
I haven't seen your posting name before - are you trying to emulate
the Pooh-troll - or are you Pooh and realised that you had lost all
credibility long ago? If this is indeed your first post to the group
then you have not made a good start.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:12:16 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>in one place are ... difficult.
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:23:29 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:00:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:13:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:46:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 07:50:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board
little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his
of yourselves.
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo? >>>>>>>> >>>
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed
the party
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via
He acts outvote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston?
great waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it. >>>>>>>> >>
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A
silly into start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather
labour.my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth
pull the
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and
meeting.rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >>>>>>>> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a
They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government.
Now you are being deliberately obtuse - you are certainly aware ofAnd you know that is a cynical distortion - she did however also >>>>highlight the poverty of empathy in our social welfare system.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National >>>>>>nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>>>>says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the >>>>>>good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
Rich you seem to need reminding about the Greens issues with a >>>>>co-leader who thought it would benefit the party for her to admit to >>>>>her historic benefit fraud.
What she did, and was politically punished for, was admit to
historical benefit fraud. She found out the hard way what empathy >>>voters have for that.
BillCan you cite any proof that Bill English has ever been on a benefit?
English was not as honest in dealing with his mis-claiming of benefits >>>>of course, but then you doubtless see no problem if its a National MP >>>>doing it . . .
Bill English falsely claiming one of the benefits for which MPs may be eligible but to which he was not entitled - a hint- he had to repay
over $30,000.
With a leader this dishonest and withThey did drop their party vote a little, but overall the Labour/Green >>>>block gained quite a bit. What are the lapses of political judgement >>>>that caused much greater proportionate losses of support for the Maori >>>>Party, United Future and ACT?
such poor political judgment is it any wonder that the Greens lost out >>>>>so much in the recent general election?
Of course no answer to this question - your irrational prejudices are showing, Crash.
I quote from that article:It is however not a permanent commitment - where do they say theyWhy do you make baseless accusations of lying?
They have ruled it out under current management and
The Greens have ruled out ever being in Government with National - >>>>Why do you lie?
policies of National, but they have cooperated with NAtional in the >>>>past and have not ruled out doing so in future.
If you read this clearly:
https://www.greens.org.nz/page/voting-2017
you will see an unequivocal commitment that excludes National.
rules out ever being in Government with National?
"We will not form a coalition with National".
That is their current commitment. That is why NZ First get to choose
who will lead the next government.
Exactly - that is their current commitment. When National recognise
reality in a few policy areas they may gain support, but currently
they refuse to recognise many environmental and social issues -
although it must be a bit hard to now ignore the problems caused by
water supplies being increasingly contaminated by nitrates . . .
The claim was that this is a permanent exclusion - we agree that their current position precludes the Greens working with National in theAgreed - but the current position of the Green party means that theThereThe MoU expired with the election. There is no doubt that the Green
is also the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Greens and >>>Labour. The Greens providing any accommodation to National is clearly >>>incompatible with their commitments to the MOU.
Party will work well with Labour during the next term - whether in >>government or opposition - but that does not prevent the Greens
working with National in the future - although that wold require a >>recognition by National of some of our very real problems that the
Green Party is concerned about.
next government cannot include National.
short term.
"meaning that they can never align with National" is blatantly untrue
Your descent into unjustified putdown is noted.meaning that they can never align with National's blue-green ginger >>>>>group to advance their cause. This stance from the Greens perpetuates >>>>>an image of a watermelon party - a little bit green on the outside >>>>>but mostly red.Since you are wrong about your basic premise, your blatant political >>>>venom can be safely ignored.
- drawing that to your attention is certainly justified.
So you do recognise that some accomodation wbetween National and theSee my comments above. Given this there would clearly be a
If you can show any evidence that the Green Party have rules out ever >>working with National then I would accept that my criticism is >>unjustified - if you are not deliberately lying you will be able to >>justify your own statements.
significant shift on the part of the Greens to have any accommodation
with National now or in the future.
Greens is possible - strange that you see that as requiring a shift by
the Greens - they see it as requiring a significant shift on the part
of National - either way you admit that a future accomodation is not impossible.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 02:15:33 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 19:33:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Of course there is - he applied for the money, and he eventually
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT), poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:National stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay around
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government.
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in >>> >> >> >>>one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his
little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed >>> >> >> >>>of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via >>> >> >> >>the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He >>> >> >> >>acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A >>> >> >> >>great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather >>> >> >> >>silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth >>> >> >> >>labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull >>> >> >> >the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >>> >> >> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting. >>> >> >
They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would
destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of
political impotence.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>> >> says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood >>> >behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green >>> >party have?
$32,000 for allowances he wrongly claimed.
No evidence he knowingly committed fraud, as you well know, you smearing >>little piece of shit.
admitted that he should not have received it and repaid the money. Of
course as a National MP he claimed "Its not my fault gov - they made
me do it!" - you can always rely on any National MP to avoid taking
personal responsibility; they only believe in personal responsibility
for others . . . It did however result in no prosecution being
taken. We have as much evidence for his fraud as we do for that of
Metiria Turei . . .
Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity >>> >let alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone.
National have to say. Shaw did not say that National just has to pick
up the phone. If National had anything worthwhile to say then the
process of getting agreement from party members could start - but it
seems Bill English is not interested - do you know why he didn't pick
up the phone?
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they >>> >go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you
posting something honestly for a change :)
I haven't seen your posting name before - are you trying to emulate
the Pooh-troll - or are you Pooh and realised that you had lost all
credibility long ago? If this is indeed your first post to the group
then you have not made a good start.
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:12:24 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:He did notbreak any law - show ny different or shut up!
On 10/15/2017 4:42 PM, poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood >>>behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green >>>party have? Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling >>>integrity let alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone. They >>>also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go with >>>National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting >>>something honestly for a change :)
Rich is one of the gifts that just keeps on giving.
Evidently all those press releases by the greens have gone over riches >>head.
They DO NOT WANT anything to do with National and are happy for taxinda
to bargain for them..
And yet James Shaw did say that he was prepared to listen if Bill
English wanted to talk - he is willing to talk if Bill English wanted
to, but it appears Bill has ruled that out.
Benefit fraud is a serious crime and punishable by imprisonmentIndeed, but as Bill English has shown, repaying the money can be
enough to avoid a prosecution.
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:12:24 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:comprehend the meaning that most of us do.
On 10/15/2017 4:42 PM, poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have? Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity let alone
also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone. They
Rich is one of the gifts that just keeps on giving.
Evidently all those press releases by the greens have gone over riches >>head.
They DO NOT WANT anything to do with National and are happy for taxinda
to bargain for them..
And yet James Shaw did say that he was prepared to listen if Bill
English wanted to talk - he is willing to talk if Bill English wanted
to, but it appears Bill has ruled that out.
Benefit fraud is a serious crime and punishable by imprisonmentIndeed, but as Bill English has shown, repaying the money can be
enough to avoid a prosecution.
On Tuesday, 17 October 2017 09:20:30 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:of yourselves.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:12:16 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:23:29 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:00:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:13:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:46:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 07:50:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed
destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would
Now you are being deliberately obtuse - you are certainly aware ofAnd you know that is a cynical distortion - she did however also
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >> >>>>>>says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
Rich you seem to need reminding about the Greens issues with a
co-leader who thought it would benefit the party for her to admit to
her historic benefit fraud.
highlight the poverty of empathy in our social welfare system.
What she did, and was politically punished for, was admit to
historical benefit fraud. She found out the hard way what empathy
voters have for that.
BillCan you cite any proof that Bill English has ever been on a benefit?
English was not as honest in dealing with his mis-claiming of benefits >> >>>>of course, but then you doubtless see no problem if its a National MP
doing it . . .
Bill English falsely claiming one of the benefits for which MPs may be
eligible but to which he was not entitled - a hint- he had to repay
over $30,000.
He claimed it on advice from Ministerial Services.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3008352/Bill-English-off-housing-hook
So no similarity to Turei's intentional, dishonest fraud.
So Dickbot, stop trying to compare the two cases, you dishonest little fucktard.
Rich I generally ignore you when you wander off-topic.
With a leader this dishonest and withThey did drop their party vote a little, but overall the Labour/Green
such poor political judgment is it any wonder that the Greens lost out >> >>>>>so much in the recent general election?
block gained quite a bit. What are the lapses of political judgement
that caused much greater proportionate losses of support for the Maori >> >>>>Party, United Future and ACT?
Of course no answer to this question - your irrational prejudices are
showing, Crash.
I quote from that article:It is however not a permanent commitment - where do they say theyWhy do you make baseless accusations of lying?
Why do you lie?
The Greens have ruled out ever being in Government with National -
They have ruled it out under current management and
policies of National, but they have cooperated with NAtional in the
past and have not ruled out doing so in future.
If you read this clearly:
https://www.greens.org.nz/page/voting-2017
you will see an unequivocal commitment that excludes National.
rules out ever being in Government with National?
"We will not form a coalition with National".
That is their current commitment. That is why NZ First get to choose
who will lead the next government.
Exactly - that is their current commitment. When National recognise
reality in a few policy areas they may gain support, but currently
they refuse to recognise many environmental and social issues -
although it must be a bit hard to now ignore the problems caused by
water supplies being increasingly contaminated by nitrates . . .
The claim was that this is a permanent exclusion - we agree that their
Agreed - but the current position of the Green party means that theThereThe MoU expired with the election. There is no doubt that the Green
is also the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Greens and
Labour. The Greens providing any accommodation to National is clearly
incompatible with their commitments to the MOU.
Party will work well with Labour during the next term - whether in
government or opposition - but that does not prevent the Greens
working with National in the future - although that wold require a
recognition by National of some of our very real problems that the
Green Party is concerned about.
next government cannot include National.
current position precludes the Greens working with National in the
short term.
"meaning that they can never align with National" is blatantly untrue
Your descent into unjustified putdown is noted.meaning that they can never align with National's blue-green gingerSince you are wrong about your basic premise, your blatant political
group to advance their cause. This stance from the Greens perpetuates >> >>>>>an image of a watermelon party - a little bit green on the outside
but mostly red.
venom can be safely ignored.
- drawing that to your attention is certainly justified.
So you do recognise that some accomodation wbetween National and theSee my comments above. Given this there would clearly be a
If you can show any evidence that the Green Party have rules out ever
working with National then I would accept that my criticism is
unjustified - if you are not deliberately lying you will be able to
justify your own statements.
significant shift on the part of the Greens to have any accommodation
with National now or in the future.
Greens is possible - strange that you see that as requiring a shift by
the Greens - they see it as requiring a significant shift on the part
of National - either way you admit that a future accomodation is not
impossible.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 02:15:33 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 19:33:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Of course there is - he applied for the money, and he eventually
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT), poohbare535@gmail.com wrote: >>>>
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:National stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay around
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in
one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his >>>> >> >> >>>little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed >>>> >> >> >>>of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via >>>> >> >> >>the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He
acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A >>>> >> >> >>great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather >>>> >> >> >>silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth >>>> >> >> >>labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull
the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to >>>> >> >> say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. >>>> >> >They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would
destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of
political impotence.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>> >> says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood >>>> >behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green
party have?
$32,000 for allowances he wrongly claimed.
No evidence he knowingly committed fraud, as you well know, you smearing >>>little piece of shit.
admitted that he should not have received it and repaid the money. Of >>course as a National MP he claimed "Its not my fault gov - they made
me do it!" - you can always rely on any National MP to avoid taking >>personal responsibility; they only believe in personal responsibility
for others . . . It did however result in no prosecution being
taken. We have as much evidence for his fraud as we do for that of
Metiria Turei . . .
What nonsense - he did not commit an offence
Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity >>>> >let alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.National have to say. Shaw did not say that National just has to pick
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone. >>>> Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
up the phone. If National had anything worthwhile to say then the
process of getting agreement from party members could start - but it
seems Bill English is not interested - do you know why he didn't pick
up the phone?
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they >>>> >go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you
posting something honestly for a change :)
I haven't seen your posting name before - are you trying to emulate
the Pooh-troll - or are you Pooh and realised that you had lost all
credibility long ago? If this is indeed your first post to the group
then you have not made a good start.
Tony
Rich, the Greens have ruled that out any accommodation with National
(and I gave my cite for this). There has been no repudiation of that
refusal to accommodate National. The offer made by Shaw to listen if
he was to be phoned by English is a courtesy offer only. I don't
recall National ever ruling out working with the Greens in Government.
Personally I would be delighted if the Greens would consider working
with National. As things stand currently that would drastically
change the options available to National to form a new Government.
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:32:49 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netHe did not commit an offence, if you disgaree please detail eactly what offence he committed.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 02:15:33 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 19:33:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Of course there is - he applied for the money, and he eventually
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT), poohbare535@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:National stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay around >>>>> $32,000 for allowances he wrongly claimed.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> >> wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board >>>>> >> >> >>>in
one place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his >>>>> >> >> >>>little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo? >>>>> >> >> >>>
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed >>>>> >> >> >>>of yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house >>>>> >> >> >>via
the party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? >>>>> >> >> >>He
acts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it. >>>>> >> >> >>
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. >>>>> >> >> >>A
great way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is
rather
silly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth >>>>> >> >> >>labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and >>>>> >> >> >pull
the
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a
meeting.
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. >>>>> >> >They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the >>>>> >> >backlash would
destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner >>>>> >> >of
political impotence.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National >>>>> >> nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>>> >> says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the >>>>> >> good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has >>>>> >stood
behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the >>>>> >Green
party have?
No evidence he knowingly committed fraud, as you well know, you smearing >>>>little piece of shit.
admitted that he should not have received it and repaid the money. Of >>>course as a National MP he claimed "Its not my fault gov - they made
me do it!" - you can always rely on any National MP to avoid taking >>>personal responsibility; they only believe in personal responsibility
for others . . . It did however result in no prosecution being
taken. We have as much evidence for his fraud as we do for that of >>>Metiria Turei . . .
What nonsense - he did not commit an offence
Of course he did.
Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity >>>>> >let alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.National have to say. Shaw did not say that National just has to pick >>>>> up the phone. If National had anything worthwhile to say then the
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone. >>>>> Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
process of getting agreement from party members could start - but it >>>>> seems Bill English is not interested - do you know why he didn't pick >>>>> up the phone?
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they >>>>> >go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like >>>>> >you
posting something honestly for a change :)
I haven't seen your posting name before - are you trying to emulate
the Pooh-troll - or are you Pooh and realised that you had lost all >>>>> credibility long ago? If this is indeed your first post to the group >>>>> then you have not made a good start.
Tony
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:32:49 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netin
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 02:15:33 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 19:33:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT), poohbare535@gmail.com wrote: >>>>
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board
ashamedone place are ... difficult.
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his >>>> >> >> >>>little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo? >>>> >> >> >>>
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and
viaof yourselves.
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house
Hethe party
vote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston?
Aacts out
the same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it. >>>> >> >> >>
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done.
rathergreat way
to start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is
pullsilly in
my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth
labour.
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and
tothe
rug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have
meeting.say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a
backlash would
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. >>>> >> >They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the
corner ofdestroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little
stoodpolitical impotence.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National >>>> >> nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>> >> says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the >>>> >> good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has
Greenbehind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the
Of course there is - he applied for the money, and he eventuallyparty have?National stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay around >>>> $32,000 for allowances he wrongly claimed.
No evidence he knowingly committed fraud, as you well know, you smearing >>>little piece of shit.
admitted that he should not have received it and repaid the money. Of >>course as a National MP he claimed "Its not my fault gov - they made
me do it!" - you can always rely on any National MP to avoid taking >>personal responsibility; they only believe in personal responsibility
for others . . . It did however result in no prosecution being
taken. We have as much evidence for his fraud as we do for that of >>Metiria Turei . . .
What nonsense - he did not commit an offence
Of course he did. National have long had contempt for the law - they
have gone from saying that anything is OK so long as the law is
obeyed, to anything is OK so long as you are not convicted - and
preferably not even charged. National had made a huge fuss about some
Green MPs cooperating in buying a property between them - totally in accordance with then rules, and had changed the rules to make that
more difficult. English would have been well aware, but he fudged it
with a claim that the public servants had given him wrong advice, and
in the end he was not charged. It remains a testimony to the venal
greed of National, and of their almost total lack of ethics. Just as
Key had been protested by the party (if he did anything wrong the
expectation and practice is that someone else took the fall for him),
so English as Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of finance was
'protected' and they worked hard as dishing up spin of 'boring but
honest Bill.' That he was forced to repay $32,000 was a wake up call
that let quite a few voters know that he was no more honest than other National MPs - in other words quite corrupt, but the spin at least
partially covered that "mistake" of fradulently claiming money he was
not entitled to.
Now of course we have the example of the missing $10.9 billion which
was pure Trump-like 'alternative facts' - carefully sent to targetted potential voters ; and English chose to lie by supporting the sleazy
Joyce in that lie. It confirms the total lack of morality and ethics
from National. Yes he did commit an offence, but he got away with it
through clever spin, careful hiding of evidence, and the reality that
the public sector people invovled would have known that National would
have been vindictive to anyone who did not follow their line. They are corrupt crooks, but of course you are one of the blind supporters for
whom they can do no wrong . . .
they
Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity
let alone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.National have to say. Shaw did not say that National just has to pick >>>> up the phone. If National had anything worthwhile to say then the
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone. >>>> Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
process of getting agreement from party members could start - but it >>>> seems Bill English is not interested - do you know why he didn't pick >>>> up the phone?
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether
like yougo with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much
posting something honestly for a change :)
I haven't seen your posting name before - are you trying to emulate
the Pooh-troll - or are you Pooh and realised that you had lost all >>>> credibility long ago? If this is indeed your first post to the group >>>> then you have not made a good start.
Tony
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT), poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:one place are ... difficult.
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:50:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote:
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board in
little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his
yourselves.
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo?
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of
the party
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house via
acts outvote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston? He
great waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it.
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done. A
silly into start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is rather
labour.my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth
the
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and pull
can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would destroy them. They've painted themselves into their own little corner of political impotence.Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government. Theyrug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have to
say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a meeting. >> >
behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have?
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National
nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader
says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the
good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood
National stuck behind Bill English even after he had to repay aroundalone comprehend the meaning that most of us do.
$32,000 for allowances he wrongly claimed.
Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity let
with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly for a change :)As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone.Read what I wrote. I said that he is prepared to listen to what
National have to say. Shaw did not say that National just has to pick
up the phone. If National had anything worthwhile to say then the
process of getting agreement from party members could start - but it
seems Bill English is not interested - do you know why he didn't pick
up the phone?
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go
I haven't seen your posting name before - are you trying to emulate
the Pooh-troll - or are you Pooh and realised that you had lost all credibility long ago? If this is indeed your first post to the group
then you have not made a good start.
On Tuesday, 17 October 2017 09:20:30 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:in one place are ... difficult.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:12:16 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:23:29 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:00:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:13:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:46:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 07:50:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 13:45:54 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:41:06 +1300, allistar <a@b.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 12/10/17 17:51, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-10-12, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it's a Saturday (at best) reveal!
The reason - apparently the logistics of getting the NZF Board
little party of fools can't plan and attend a meeting?
FFS he's holding up the formation of a government because his
ashamed of yourselves.
Are they all too busy with pre-planned knitting and bingo? >>>>>>>> >>>
Unbelievable. Literally.
Who voted for this idiot? You should be embarrassed and
via the party
Heard of The Party Vote? After all he only got into the house
He acts outvote/list.
Anyhow, more importanly why can not people just ignore Winston?
A great waythe same play and surely after 33 years we all have seen it. >>>>>>>> >>
It was doable by Thursday 12 October 2017, but it was not done.
rather silly into start your term in Government.
The whole concept of having a dedaline for neogotations is
labour.my view. They take as long as they take. A bit like child birth
pull the
It would be great for National to do a deal with the Greens and
torug out from underneath Winston.
Shaw has said that he is prepared to listen to what National have
meeting.say - it is up to English to pick up the phone and arrange a
They can't change their fundamental goal after the election; the backlash would
Meaningless. They campaigned specifically to change the government.
fucktard.Now you are being deliberately obtuse - you are certainly aware ofAnd you know that is a cynical distortion - she did however also >>>>highlight the poverty of empathy in our social welfare system.
You highlight the difference between the Green party and National >>>>>>nicely - the GReens have integrity, National don't. As the ACT leader >>>>>>says, all they have is a "born to rule" attitude. Policies for the >>>>>>good of the country come second to that in National's mindset.
Rich you seem to need reminding about the Greens issues with a >>>>>co-leader who thought it would benefit the party for her to admit to >>>>>her historic benefit fraud.
What she did, and was politically punished for, was admit to >>>historical benefit fraud. She found out the hard way what empathy >>>voters have for that.
BillCan you cite any proof that Bill English has ever been on a benefit?
English was not as honest in dealing with his mis-claiming of benefits >>>>of course, but then you doubtless see no problem if its a National MP >>>>doing it . . .
Bill English falsely claiming one of the benefits for which MPs may be eligible but to which he was not entitled - a hint- he had to repay
over $30,000.
He claimed it on advice from Ministerial Services.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3008352/Bill-English-off-housing-hook
So no similarity to Turei's intentional, dishonest fraud.
So Dickbot, stop trying to compare the two cases, you dishonest little
With a leader this dishonest and withThey did drop their party vote a little, but overall the Labour/Green >>>>block gained quite a bit. What are the lapses of political judgement >>>>that caused much greater proportionate losses of support for the Maori >>>>Party, United Future and ACT?
such poor political judgment is it any wonder that the Greens lost out >>>>>so much in the recent general election?
Of course no answer to this question - your irrational prejudices are showing, Crash.
I quote from that article:It is however not a permanent commitment - where do they say theyWhy do you make baseless accusations of lying?
They have ruled it out under current management and
The Greens have ruled out ever being in Government with National - >>>>Why do you lie?
policies of National, but they have cooperated with NAtional in the >>>>past and have not ruled out doing so in future.
If you read this clearly:
https://www.greens.org.nz/page/voting-2017
you will see an unequivocal commitment that excludes National.
rules out ever being in Government with National?
"We will not form a coalition with National".
That is their current commitment. That is why NZ First get to choose
who will lead the next government.
Exactly - that is their current commitment. When National recognise
reality in a few policy areas they may gain support, but currently
they refuse to recognise many environmental and social issues -
although it must be a bit hard to now ignore the problems caused by
water supplies being increasingly contaminated by nitrates . . .
The claim was that this is a permanent exclusion - we agree that their current position precludes the Greens working with National in theAgreed - but the current position of the Green party means that theThereThe MoU expired with the election. There is no doubt that the Green >>Party will work well with Labour during the next term - whether in >>government or opposition - but that does not prevent the Greens
is also the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Greens and >>>Labour. The Greens providing any accommodation to National is clearly >>>incompatible with their commitments to the MOU.
working with National in the future - although that wold require a >>recognition by National of some of our very real problems that the >>Green Party is concerned about.
next government cannot include National.
short term.
"meaning that they can never align with National" is blatantly untrue
Your descent into unjustified putdown is noted.meaning that they can never align with National's blue-green ginger >>>>>group to advance their cause. This stance from the Greens perpetuates >>>>>an image of a watermelon party - a little bit green on the outside >>>>>but mostly red.Since you are wrong about your basic premise, your blatant political >>>>venom can be safely ignored.
- drawing that to your attention is certainly justified.
So you do recognise that some accomodation wbetween National and theSee my comments above. Given this there would clearly be a
If you can show any evidence that the Green Party have rules out ever >>working with National then I would accept that my criticism is >>unjustified - if you are not deliberately lying you will be able to >>justify your own statements.
significant shift on the part of the Greens to have any accommodation >with National now or in the future.
Greens is possible - strange that you see that as requiring a shift by
the Greens - they see it as requiring a significant shift on the part
of National - either way you admit that a future accomodation is not impossible.
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:12:24 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:behind an admitted benefit fraudster like the marxist muppets in the Green party have? Hell Shaw and co. are probably like you incapable of spelling integrity let alone
On 10/15/2017 4:42 PM, poohbare535@gmail.com wrote:
omg. Just as funny as always Rich. Can you cite where ANY party has stood
They also have to wait till the Green party members vote on whether they go with National. but guess that is something we'll never see, much like you posting something honestly
As to your claim Shaw has said National just has to pick up the phone.
Rich is one of the gifts that just keeps on giving.
Evidently all those press releases by the greens have gone over riches >head.
They DO NOT WANT anything to do with National and are happy for taxinda >to bargain for them..
And yet James Shaw did say that he was prepared to listen if Bill
English wanted to talk - he is willing to talk if Bill English wanted
to, but it appears Bill has ruled that out.
Benefit fraud is a serious crime and punishable by imprisonmentIndeed, but as Bill English has shown, repaying the money can be
enough to avoid a prosecution.
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