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  • The long drawn out Peters ego trip

    From george152@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 08:13:03
    Here we go again.
    Any chance the greens get sick of being sycophants and do a bit of
    demanding.
    Without the Greens the unholy alliance doesn't have the votes

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  • From peterwn@3:770/3 to george on Tuesday, October 10, 2017 18:27:37
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 08:13:08 UTC+13, george wrote:
    Here we go again.
    Any chance the greens get sick of being sycophants and do a bit of demanding.
    Without the Greens the unholy alliance doesn't have the votes

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    First of all, the Greens actually need have a face to face discussion with Winston. James has an almost impossible set of parameters to work within. I doubt Winston recognises this. But as sure as hell, Bill and his team are taking note and will adjust
    their negotiating stance accordingly.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 17:03:58
    On 10/11/2017 4:35 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:27:39 UTC+13, peterwn wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 08:13:08 UTC+13, george wrote:
    Here we go again.
    Any chance the greens get sick of being sycophants and do a bit of
    demanding.
    Without the Greens the unholy alliance doesn't have the votes

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    First of all, the Greens actually need have a face to face discussion with Winston.

    Well they won't be, because Winston isn't having anything to do with the
    Greens.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97761745/james-shaw-trust-labour-to-bring-back-fair-deal-from-winston-peters

    All the Greens have to do is start talking to the Nats.
    Peters depends wholly upon the Greens staying with Liebor otherwise he's
    out on his ear.
    I imagine the Peters party might then start talking to the Greens

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to peterwn on Tuesday, October 10, 2017 20:35:36
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:27:39 UTC+13, peterwn wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 08:13:08 UTC+13, george wrote:
    Here we go again.
    Any chance the greens get sick of being sycophants and do a bit of demanding.
    Without the Greens the unholy alliance doesn't have the votes

    ---
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    First of all, the Greens actually need have a face to face discussion with
    Winston.

    Well they won't be, because Winston isn't having anything to do with the Greens.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97761745/james-shaw-trust-labour-to-bring-back-fair-deal-from-winston-peters

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to george on Tuesday, October 10, 2017 22:05:22
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:04:05 UTC+13, george wrote:
    On 10/11/2017 4:35 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:27:39 UTC+13, peterwn wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 08:13:08 UTC+13, george wrote:
    Here we go again.
    Any chance the greens get sick of being sycophants and do a bit of
    demanding.
    Without the Greens the unholy alliance doesn't have the votes

    ---
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    First of all, the Greens actually need have a face to face discussion with
    Winston.

    Well they won't be, because Winston isn't having anything to do with the
    Greens.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97761745/james-shaw-trust-labour-to-bring-back-fair-deal-from-winston-peters

    All the Greens have to do is start talking to the Nats.
    Peters depends wholly upon the Greens staying with Liebor otherwise he's
    out on his ear.
    I imagine the Peters party might then start talking to the Greens

    The trouble is, the Greens *can't* talk to the Nats. They've said all campaign that their goal is to change the government. It's not to advocate for the environment. It's not to advocate for the poor. It's to change the government. They've painted
    themselves into a corner and Winston knows it. He'd never fall for their bluff.

    Once again, through their own stupidity, the Greens are politically impotent and the plaything of Labour.

    Slow learners.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 01:13:04
    Exactly right Gordon.
    It's so frustrating to see the potentially virtuous Greens shoved aside by the dishonest, populist NZF

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  • From peterwn@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 00:40:42
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:05:24 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:04:05 UTC+13, george wrote:
    On 10/11/2017 4:35 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:27:39 UTC+13, peterwn wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 08:13:08 UTC+13, george wrote:
    Here we go again.
    Any chance the greens get sick of being sycophants and do a bit of
    demanding.
    Without the Greens the unholy alliance doesn't have the votes

    ---
    This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus

    First of all, the Greens actually need have a face to face discussion
    with Winston.

    Well they won't be, because Winston isn't having anything to do with the
    Greens.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97761745/james-shaw-trust-labour-to-bring-back-fair-deal-from-winston-peters

    All the Greens have to do is start talking to the Nats.
    Peters depends wholly upon the Greens staying with Liebor otherwise he's out on his ear.
    I imagine the Peters party might then start talking to the Greens

    The trouble is, the Greens *can't* talk to the Nats. They've said all
    campaign that their goal is to change the government. It's not to advocate for the environment. It's not to advocate for the poor. It's to change the government. They've painted
    themselves into a corner and Winston knows it. He'd never fall for their bluff.

    Bill knows it too and will no doubt adjust his negotiating stance accordingly. Bill will be figuring other ways of fomenting happy mischief.

    Once again, through their own stupidity, the Greens are politically impotent
    and the plaything of Labour.

    Slow learners.

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 07:59:02
    On 2017-10-11, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:04:05 UTC+13, george wrote:
    On 10/11/2017 4:35 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:27:39 UTC+13, peterwn wrote:
    On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 08:13:08 UTC+13, george wrote:
    Here we go again.
    Any chance the greens get sick of being sycophants and do a bit of
    demanding.
    Without the Greens the unholy alliance doesn't have the votes

    ---
    This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
    https://www.avast.com/antivirus

    First of all, the Greens actually need have a face to face discussion with Winston.

    Well they won't be, because Winston isn't having anything to do with the Greens.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97761745/james-shaw-trust-labour-to-bring-back-fair-deal-from-winston-peters

    All the Greens have to do is start talking to the Nats.
    Peters depends wholly upon the Greens staying with Liebor otherwise he's
    out on his ear.
    I imagine the Peters party might then start talking to the Greens

    The trouble is, the Greens *can't* talk to the Nats. They've said all
    campaign that their goal is to change the government.
    It's not to advocate for the environment. It's not to advocate for the poor.
    It's to change the government.
    They've painted themselves into a corner and Winston knows it. He'd never
    fall for their bluff.

    Once again, through their own stupidity, the Greens are politically impotent
    and the plaything of Labour.

    Slow learners.

    Since the last election the Greens seem to have completely lost their way,
    just about in every way.

    The people who voted for the Greens want the environment to be taken care
    of. So that is the Greens aim, even if it means talking to the Nats. The
    Nats in turn can get power, and agree to modify some "green" legislation and point out to the country that they had to do this because of the Green coalition, not our idea.

    Look, if the Greens coalated with National, it would still be a change of Government. In some ways it matters not who is in power but rather what the legisation is which goes in acts.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Gordon on Thursday, October 12, 2017 08:04:03
    On 10/11/2017 8:59 PM, Gordon wrote:

    Since the last election the Greens seem to have completely lost their way, just about in every way.

    The people who voted for the Greens want the environment to be taken care
    of. So that is the Greens aim, even if it means talking to the Nats. The
    Nats in turn can get power, and agree to modify some "green" legislation and point out to the country that they had to do this because of the Green coalition, not our idea.

    Look, if the Greens coalated with National, it would still be a change of Government. In some ways it matters not who is in power but rather what the legisation is which goes in acts.


    You cant talk sense to the ultra left.
    Here is a great chance for them to actually get into government and get
    some of their stuff into law.
    Another three years in the wilds for them then

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