https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97215740/the-dead-cat-masterstroke-that-may-just-win-national-the-election
The problem is that new and inexperienced leaders who "may" have a bit of >righteous fervour almost always fall for old tricks like this.
I certainly did not pick the 11.7B hole as doubtful at first, but then I was >not looking for political glory. Joyce is masterful at this sort of thing.
I do not want a party that cannot play the political game in power.
I believe in fair dealings, except that in politics you will not win that way. >Suck it up and learn Labour and maybe in 3 years you might be ready.
Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97215740/the-dead-cat-masterstroke-that-may-just-win-national-the-election
The problem is that new and inexperienced leaders who "may" have a bit of righteous fervour almost always fall for old tricks like this.
I certainly did not pick the 11.7B hole as doubtful at first, but then I was not looking for political glory. Joyce is masterful at this sort of thing.
I do not want a party that cannot play the political game in power.
I believe in fair dealings,
except that in politics you will not win that way.
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 4:04:29 PM UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com >wrote:
The problem is that new and inexperienced leaders who "may" have a bit ofhttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97215740/the-dead-cat-masterstroke-that-may-just-win-national-the-election
righteous fervour almost always fall for old tricks like this.
I certainly did not pick the 11.7B hole as doubtful at first, but then I was >> not looking for political glory. Joyce is masterful at this sort of thing.
I do not want a party that cannot play the political game in power.
No such party has ever governed and since none ever will, no need to expand >further on that score, Tony.
I believe in fair dealings,
Most people do, and this embraces every aspect of life.
except that in politics you will not win that way.
Again, I think you'll find most people know this only too well, Tony. In fact, >anyone interested in politics has long since taken it as read that his own >idealistic notions are unlikely ever to be realised to his own satisfaction. Your self agrandising preaching is beginning to bore me. I am convinced by your demeanour that you understand at best a quarter of what you pretend to understand.Tony
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:04:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou prefer the "honesty" of liars and thieves.
dot nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97215740/the-dead-cat-masterstroke-that-may-just-win-national-the-election
The problem is that new and inexperienced leaders who "may" have a bit of >>righteous fervour almost always fall for old tricks like this.
I certainly did not pick the 11.7B hole as doubtful at first, but then I was >>not looking for political glory. Joyce is masterful at this sort of thing. >>I do not want a party that cannot play the political game in power.
I believe in fair dealings, except that in politics you will not win that way.
Suck it up and learn Labour and maybe in 3 years you might be ready.
Tony
Your hypocrisy is showing, Tony. You decried the "alternative facts"
and other lies from Trump, but now describe Joyce as "masterful" for
similar lies - and opint out that this is not the only instance of his
use of such "dirty tricks." Your claim that you want a party that
plays "the political game" is inconsistent with your asssertiont hat
you believe in fair dealings. Thankfully there is a chance that MMP
may give National the result they deserve of a period in opposition -
this morning we hear of a report conveniently not released until after >Lawrence Yule won an electorate seat, showing that National are indeed >experts at deception, lying and "the political game" as you put it. I
prefer honesty.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:42:21 AM UTC+13,nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
nor...@googlegroups.comjmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 4:04:29 PM UTC+13,
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wasrighteous fervour almost always fall for old tricks like this.
I certainly did not pick the 11.7B hole as doubtful at first, but then I
thing.not looking for political glory. Joyce is masterful at this sort of
I do not want a party that cannot play the political game in power.
expandNo such party has ever governed and since none ever will, no need to
further on that score, Tony.
I believe in fair dealings,
Most people do, and this embraces every aspect of life.
except that in politics you will not win that way.
fact,Again, I think you'll find most people know this only too well, Tony. In
satisfaction.anyone interested in politics has long since taken it as read that his own >idealistic notions are unlikely ever to be realised to his own
Your self agrandising
...agrandising...
preaching is beginning to bore me.
Then simply ignore my posts.sense as there may be is, as ever, over-ruled by those same characteristics that stunt your efforts at debate.
Indeed, I'm in no doubt that you have the good sense to ignore me, but such
I am convinced by your
demeanour that you understand at best a quarter of what you pretend to understand.
The evidence to date is that you are convinced by many things, Tony, the mostlame of these being your incorrigible conviction that your redundant ruminations are even worth having.
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:was
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 4:04:29 PM UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com >wrote:
The problem is that new and inexperienced leaders who "may" have a bit of >> righteous fervour almost always fall for old tricks like this.https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97215740/the-dead-cat-masterstroke-that-may-just-win-national-the-election
I certainly did not pick the 11.7B hole as doubtful at first, but then I
not looking for political glory. Joyce is masterful at this sort of thing.
I do not want a party that cannot play the political game in power.
No such party has ever governed and since none ever will, no need to expand >further on that score, Tony.
I believe in fair dealings,
Most people do, and this embraces every aspect of life.
except that in politics you will not win that way.
fact,Again, I think you'll find most people know this only too well, Tony. In
anyone interested in politics has long since taken it as read that his own >idealistic notions are unlikely ever to be realised to his own satisfaction.
Your self agrandising
preaching is beginning to bore me.
I am convinced by your
demeanour that you understand at best a quarter of what you pretend to understand.
On Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:23:53 UTC+13, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:42:21 AM UTC+13, >>nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:Yes, sage advice. I shall think on it, for at least as long as it takes me to press the send button!
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 4:04:29 PM UTC+13,
nor...@googlegroups.com
wrote:
The problem is that new and inexperienced leaders who "may" have a bit >> > >>ofhttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97215740/the-dead-cat-masterstroke-that-may-just-win-national-the-election
righteous fervour almost always fall for old tricks like this.
I certainly did not pick the 11.7B hole as doubtful at first, but then >> > >>I was
not looking for political glory. Joyce is masterful at this sort of
thing.
I do not want a party that cannot play the political game in power.
No such party has ever governed and since none ever will, no need to
expand
further on that score, Tony.
I believe in fair dealings,
Most people do, and this embraces every aspect of life.
except that in politics you will not win that way.
Again, I think you'll find most people know this only too well, Tony. In >> > >fact,
anyone interested in politics has long since taken it as read that his
own
idealistic notions are unlikely ever to be realised to his own
satisfaction.
Your self agrandising
...agrandising...
preaching is beginning to bore me.
Then simply ignore my posts.
Indeed, I'm in no doubt that you have the good sense to ignore me, but such >>sense as there may be is, as ever, over-ruled by those same characteristics >>that stunt your efforts at debate.
I am convinced by your
demeanour that you understand at best a quarter of what you pretend to
understand.
The evidence to date is that you are convinced by many things, Tony, the >>most lame of these being your incorrigible conviction that your redundant >>ruminations are even worth having.
Probably best to ignore him, Tony. He's got nothing better to do than puff up >his rather empty life here.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:42:21 AM UTC+13, >nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:Yes, even I occasionally commit a typographical error, even you have on rare occasions.
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 4:04:29 PM UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com >> >wrote:
The problem is that new and inexperienced leaders who "may" have a bit of >> >> righteous fervour almost always fall for old tricks like this.https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97215740/the-dead-cat-masterstroke-that-may-just-win-national-the-election
I certainly did not pick the 11.7B hole as doubtful at first, but then I >> >>was
not looking for political glory. Joyce is masterful at this sort of thing.
I do not want a party that cannot play the political game in power.
No such party has ever governed and since none ever will, no need to expand >> >further on that score, Tony.
I believe in fair dealings,
Most people do, and this embraces every aspect of life.
except that in politics you will not win that way.
Again, I think you'll find most people know this only too well, Tony. In
fact,
anyone interested in politics has long since taken it as read that his own >> >idealistic notions are unlikely ever to be realised to his own satisfaction.
Your self agrandising
...agrandising...
preaching is beginning to bore me.
Then simply ignore my posts.
Indeed, I'm in no doubt that you have the good sense to ignore me, but such >sense as there may be is, as ever, over-ruled by those same characteristics >that stunt your efforts at debate.
I am convinced by your
demeanour that you understand at best a quarter of what you pretend to
understand.
The evidence to date is that you are convinced by many things, Tony, the most >lame of these being your incorrigible conviction that your redundant >ruminations are even worth having.When I worked for the BBC my colleagues, who like myself were professionally qualified engineers (yes that means tertiary qualifications of varying sorts), sometimes referred to technical operations people as cable humpers. I found this to be unacceptable; after all we did not really know what tech. ops. people did or what skills they needed. There was very little interraction between the two disciplines. I mentioned my dislike of this on more than one occasion.
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