Its today or tomorrow to vote.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically
Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has
proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but
tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant
charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for >government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
Its today or tomorrow to vote.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically
Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has
proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but
tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant
charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
Its today or tomorrow to vote.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically
Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has
proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but
tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant
charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for >government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
--Compulsory unionism is for me anathema.
Crash McBash
Its today or tomorrow to vote.Relatively small changes to the Employment relations legislation is
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically
Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has
proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but
tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant
charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for >government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Its today or tomorrow to vote.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically >Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has >proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but
tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant >charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for >government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
in--Compulsory unionism is for me anathema.
Crash McBash
I am a supporter of people being members of a union if they so wish and I am
favour of employers being expected to reasonably support that choice.disprespect
Making someone join one is to me an invasion of privacy and a total
of the individuals right to make their own choices. It would take us back to the time when businesses and their staff did not talk, surely that cannot beon
the cards!
I was shocked to read this.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:08:39 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
Its today or tomorrow to vote.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically >Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has >proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell meRelatively small changes to the Employment relations legislation is
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
all that is needed. I do not believe there is any call from within
Labour for a return to comuplsory unionism - if anyone thinks there
is, perhaps they could give a cite . . .
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant
charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Its today or tomorrow to vote.Compulsory unionism is for me anathema.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >>acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >>results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically >>Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has >>proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >>candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >>last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but
tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant >>charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for >>government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
--
Crash McBash
I am a supporter of people being members of a union if they so wish and I am in
favour of employers being expected to reasonably support that choice.
Making someone join one is to me an invasion of privacy and a total disprespect
of the individuals right to make their own choices. It would take us back to >the time when businesses and their staff did not talk, surely that cannot be on
the cards!
I was shocked to read this.
Tony
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:00:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netThe only thing that shocks you is truth, it tends to creep up on you and bite you!
dot nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Its today or tomorrow to vote.Compulsory unionism is for me anathema.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >>>acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >>>results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically >>>Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's >>>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely >>>that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has >>>proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >>>candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >>>last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me >>>how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but >>>tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant >>>charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for >>>government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
--
Crash McBash
I am a supporter of people being members of a union if they so wish and I am >>in
favour of employers being expected to reasonably support that choice. >>Making someone join one is to me an invasion of privacy and a total >>disprespect
of the individuals right to make their own choices. It would take us back to >>the time when businesses and their staff did not talk, surely that cannot be >>on
the cards!
I was shocked to read this.
Tony
I am shocked by the extent to which "fake news" is believed by the
gullible - this is an unsupported assertion by Crash, and a
misrepresentation of reality. Still, in this instance the deliberate
false statments are unlikely to sway many gullible voters - or even
any at all . . .
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:08:39 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Cite please.
wrote:
Its today or tomorrow to vote.Relatively small changes to the Employment relations legislation is
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >>acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >>results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically >>Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has >>proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >>candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >>last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
all that is needed.
I do not believe there is any call from within
Labour for a return to comuplsory unionism - if anyone thinks there
is, perhaps they could give a cite . . .
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but
tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant >>charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for >>government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
National have proved to be liars who have no ideas of their own, who
have resulted in diasters in Housing, health and education, and a
fixation on roading projects with a low or negative return on
investment.
Time for a change.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:00:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netin
dot nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Its today or tomorrow to vote.Compulsory unionism is for me anathema.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and >>acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired >>results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically >>Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's >>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely >>that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has >>proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which >>candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a >>last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me >>how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but >>tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant >>charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for >>government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
--
Crash McBash
I am a supporter of people being members of a union if they so wish and I am
disprespectfavour of employers being expected to reasonably support that choice. >Making someone join one is to me an invasion of privacy and a total
onof the individuals right to make their own choices. It would take us back to
the time when businesses and their staff did not talk, surely that cannot be
the cards!
I was shocked to read this.
Tony
I am shocked by the extent to which "fake news" is believed by the
gullible - this is an unsupported assertion by Crash, and a
misrepresentation of reality. Still, in this instance the deliberate
false statments are unlikely to sway many gullible voters - or even
any at all . . .
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:00:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netin
dot nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Its today or tomorrow to vote.Compulsory unionism is for me anathema.
In weighing up the options I am not able to identify a credible and
acceptable alternative to National. Instinctively I have always
believed that National are flawed. I favour increased government
spending on education and health in particular and I believe National
has delivered better targeting of where our money is spent for desired
results. I don't believe a tax cut is warranted yet.
The key though is that if not National, who to vote for? Realistically
Labour is the only serious option because all the rest will be
minority parties in a government dominated by National or Labour.
Labour is a political party dominated by Trade Unions. I spent half
my working life with compulsory Union membership. I changed careers
to an industry exempt from compulsory Union membership so I have a
core aversion to any suggestion that we return to any form of
compulsory union membership. However in the past I lived in Mike
Moore's
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician))
electorate and voted for him in FPP days. I would party vote Labour
if they could produce credible reasons to do this. With Andrew
Little's last-minute resignation prior to the election it was unlikely
that the new leader would have the required credibility and so it has
proved. I am in Ohariu and have the same dilemma with choosing which
candidate to vote for now that Peter Dunne has retired (even more of a
last-minute decision).
Looking at Labour's website and for rejuvenated policies under new
leader Jacinda Ardern, with a bit of digging I found this:
http://www.labour.org.nz/workplacerelations
Scroll down to the bottom - and read 'Fair Pay Agreements' and tell me
how this policy can be enacted without compulsory union membership
being a foundation requirement. That, for me, is a no-go area - I
simply will never vote Labour with a policy like this. National does
not have any policies that for me have no-go status.
National are a known quantity and their flaws are lamentable but
tolerable. Their Parliamentary leaders have been OK if uninspiring.
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant
charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for
government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
--
Crash McBash
I am a supporter of people being members of a union if they so wish and I am
onfavour of employers being expected to reasonably support that choice.
Making someone join one is to me an invasion of privacy and a total disprespect
of the individuals right to make their own choices. It would take us back to >> the time when businesses and their staff did not talk, surely that cannot be
the cards!
I was shocked to read this.
Tony
I am shocked by the extent to which "fake news" is believed by the
gullible - this is an unsupported assertion by Crash, and a
misrepresentation of reality. Still, in this instance the deliberate
false statments are unlikely to sway many gullible voters - or even
any at all . . .
On 2017-09-21, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Labour have finally found a Parliamentary leader who has significant
charisma and voter empathy. Neither she nor the party is ready for
government yet - but 3 years is plenty of time to step up.
In the meantime they can be an effective oppostion, which in itself will do the country no harm.
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