The embarrassing hole Joyce and English have dug for themselves with
their debunked lie about Labours projections just keeps getting
bigger. Sad that the best they can do is lie to the public about their opponents.
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:04:14 AM UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:00:35 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
The embarrassing hole Joyce and English have dug for themselves with their debunked lie about Labours projections just keeps getting
bigger. Sad that the best they can do is lie to the public about their opponents.
status quo. But both sides are neither radical nor in any way reformative, both of them sharing a common centre ground what is - when you dismiss the liesBoth sides game the voter as happens whenever there's a challenge to the
provides the backbone for any nation to sustain and grow its wealth.
But it is an **advancing** economy - and only an advancing economy - that
there to be any significant improvement to the current status quo. But yes, I've already done my democratic duty, and voted. One should, and one does.The evidence to date tells me that neither party has what it takes for
was the worst yet by far: nothing whatever was to be learned other than Mike Hosking has sunk even lower than could seem possible into his abrasive, egotistical persona.As for the TV election debates per se:
Yesterday evening's spit-n'-sawdust bar-room contest on State Television
uninspiring gumboot shamelessly dissembled, waffled and prevaricated. Harvey Norman were - as tradition dictates - on hand to fill in the ad breaks along with some loan-sharkArdern, the feisty upstart challenger, looked tired; English, the stolid,
reduced to coarse bread-and-circus hoopla. Cynically debased and crudely servedThus was 21st-century New Zealand's ***tri-annual*** democratic debate
Shameful, self-abasing and degenerate.
***Should be 'triennial.'
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:00:35 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
The embarrassing hole Joyce and English have dug for themselves with
their debunked lie about Labours projections just keeps getting
bigger. Sad that the best they can do is lie to the public about their opponents.
Both sides game the voter as happens whenever there's a challenge to thestatus quo. But both sides are neither radical nor in any way reformative, both of them sharing a common centre ground what is - when you dismiss the lies
provides the backbone for any nation to sustain and grow its wealth.
But it is an **advancing** economy - and only an advancing economy - that
The evidence to date tells me that neither party has what it takes for thereto be any significant improvement to the current status quo. But yes, I've already done my democratic duty, and voted. One should, and one does.
As for the TV election debates per se:the worst yet by far: nothing whatever was to be learned other than Mike Hosking has sunk even lower than could seem possible into his abrasive, egotistical persona.
Yesterday evening's spit-n'-sawdust bar-room contest on State Television was
Ardern, the feisty upstart challenger, looked tired; English, the stolid,uninspiring gumboot shamelessly dissembled, waffled and prevaricated. Harvey Norman were - as tradition dictates - on hand to fill in the ad breaks along with some loan-shark
Thus was 21st-century New Zealand's ***tri-annual*** democratic debatereduced to coarse bread-and-circus hoopla. Cynically debased and crudely served
Shameful, self-abasing and degenerate.
On Thursday, 21 September 2017 11:07:05 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:04:14 AM UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:and clear away the
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:00:35 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
The embarrassing hole Joyce and English have dug for themselves with
their debunked lie about Labours projections just keeps getting
bigger. Sad that the best they can do is lie to the public about their >> > > opponents.
Both sides game the voter as happens whenever there's a challenge to the status quo. But both sides are neither radical nor in any way reformative, both of them sharing a common centre ground what is - when you dismiss the lies
outfit getting its hooks into the financially illiterate, their combined low-rent blandishments seamlessly complementing the racket spouting from Hoskings huckstering maw. You could barely distinguish debate from ad-break - Hosking carefully made sure
But it is an **advancing** economy - and only an advancing economy - that provides the backbone for any nation to sustain and grow its wealth.
The evidence to date tells me that neither party has what it takes for there to be any significant improvement to the current status quo. But yes, I've already done my democratic duty, and voted. One should, and one does.
As for the TV election debates per se:
Yesterday evening's spit-n'-sawdust bar-room contest on State Television was the worst yet by far: nothing whatever was to be learned other than Mike Hosking has sunk even lower than could seem possible into his abrasive, egotistical persona.
Ardern, the feisty upstart challenger, looked tired; English, the stolid, uninspiring gumboot shamelessly dissembled, waffled and prevaricated. Harvey Norman were - as tradition dictates - on hand to fill in the ad breaks along with some loan-shark
up solely to garner a dividend to the government coffers; and all of it an undifferentiated sales-
Thus was 21st-century New Zealand's ***tri-annual*** democratic debate reduced to coarse bread-and-circus hoopla. Cynically debased and crudely served
Party leadership changes are tri-annual.
Shameful, self-abasing and degenerate.
***Should be 'triennial.'
Indeed. If it helps anyone to remember: elections are triennial whereas Labour
On Thursday, 21 September 2017 11:07:05 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:and clear away the
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:04:14 AM UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:00:35 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
The embarrassing hole Joyce and English have dug for themselves with
their debunked lie about Labours projections just keeps getting
bigger. Sad that the best they can do is lie to the public about their >>>> opponents.
Both sides game the voter as happens whenever there's a challenge to the status quo. But both sides are neither radical nor in any way reformative, both of them sharing a common centre ground what is - when you dismiss the lies
outfit getting its hooks into the financially illiterate, their combined low-rent blandishments seamlessly complementing the racket spouting from Hoskings huckstering maw. You could barely distinguish debate from ad-break - Hosking carefully made sure
But it is an **advancing** economy - and only an advancing economy - that provides the backbone for any nation to sustain and grow its wealth.
The evidence to date tells me that neither party has what it takes for there to be any significant improvement to the current status quo. But yes, I've already done my democratic duty, and voted. One should, and one does.
As for the TV election debates per se:
Yesterday evening's spit-n'-sawdust bar-room contest on State Television was the worst yet by far: nothing whatever was to be learned other than Mike Hosking has sunk even lower than could seem possible into his abrasive, egotistical persona.
Ardern, the feisty upstart challenger, looked tired; English, the stolid, uninspiring gumboot shamelessly dissembled, waffled and prevaricated. Harvey Norman were - as tradition dictates - on hand to fill in the ad breaks along with some loan-shark
up solely to garner a dividend to the government coffers; and all of it an undifferentiated sales-
Thus was 21st-century New Zealand's ***tri-annual*** democratic debate reduced to coarse bread-and-circus hoopla. Cynically debased and crudely served
Labour Party leadership changes are tri-annual.
Shameful, self-abasing and degenerate.
***Should be 'triennial.'
Indeed. If it helps anyone to remember: elections are triennial whereas
On 9/21/2017 11:12 AM, JohnO wrote:
On Thursday, 21 September 2017 11:07:05 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.comI'm of the opinion that the aforesaid leadership changes were
wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:04:14 AM UTC+12,
jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:00:35 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> The embarrassing hole Joyce and English have dug for themselves with >>>>> their debunked lie about Labours projections just keeps getting
bigger. Sad that the best they can do is lie to the public about their >>>>> opponents.
Both sides game the voter as happens whenever there's a challenge to
the status quo. But both sides are neither radical nor in any way
reformative, both of them sharing a common centre ground what is -
when you dismiss the lies and clear away the smoke-and-mirrors fog -
a palpably stagnant economy.
But it is an **advancing** economy - and only an advancing
economy - that provides the backbone for any nation to sustain and
grow its wealth.
The evidence to date tells me that neither party has what it takes
for there to be any significant improvement to the current status
quo. But yes, I've already done my democratic duty, and voted. One
should, and one does.
As for the TV election debates per se:
Yesterday evening's spit-n'-sawdust bar-room contest on State
Television was the worst yet by far: nothing whatever was to be
learned other than Mike Hosking has sunk even lower than could seem
possible into his abrasive, egotistical persona.
Ardern, the feisty upstart challenger, looked tired; English, the
stolid, uninspiring gumboot shamelessly dissembled, waffled and
prevaricated. Harvey Norman were - as tradition dictates - on hand
to fill in the ad breaks along with some loan-shark outfit getting
its hooks into the financially illiterate, their combined low-rent
blandishments seamlessly complementing the racket spouting from
Hoskings huckstering maw. You could barely distinguish debate from
ad-break - Hosking carefully made sure of that because this is
precisely what TVNZ - a 100% commercial, not public service outfit -
pays him to do.
Thus was 21st-century New Zealand's ***tri-annual*** democratic
debate reduced to coarse bread-and-circus hoopla. Cynically debased
and crudely served up solely to garner a dividend to the government
coffers; and all of it an undifferentiated sales-pitch cacophony
directed at the single braincell rugby league slumpgut in all his
mindless stupor.
Shameful, self-abasing and degenerate.
***Should be 'triennial.'
Indeed. If it helps anyone to remember: elections are triennial
whereas Labour Party leadership changes are tri-annual.
tri-desperation
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On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:00:35 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
The embarrassing hole Joyce and English have dug for themselves with
their debunked lie about Labours projections just keeps getting
bigger. Sad that the best they can do is lie to the public about their
opponents.
Both sides game the voter as happens whenever there's a challenge to the status quo.That is waking around the issue - only National have consistently lied
But both sides are neither radical nor in any way reformative, both of them sharing a common centre ground what is - when you dismiss the lies and clear away the smoke-and-mirrors fog - a palpably stagnant economy.outfit getting its hooks into the financially illiterate, their combined low-rent blandishments seamlessly complementing the racket spouting from Hoskings huckstering maw. You could barely distinguish debate from ad-break - Hosking carefully made sure
But it is an **advancing** economy - and only an advancing economy - that provides the backbone for any nation to sustain and grow its wealth.
The evidence to date tells me that neither party has what it takes for there to be any significant improvement to the current status quo. But yes, I've already done my democratic duty, and voted. One should, and one does.
As for the TV election debates per se:
Yesterday evening's spit-n'-sawdust bar-room contest on State Television was the worst yet by far: nothing whatever was to be learned other than Mike Hosking has sunk even lower than could seem possible into his abrasive, egotistical persona.
Ardern, the feisty upstart challenger, looked tired; English, the stolid, uninspiring gumboot shamelessly dissembled, waffled and prevaricated. Harvey Norman were - as tradition dictates - on hand to fill in the ad breaks along with some loan-shark
Thus was 21st-century New Zealand's tri-annual democratic debate reduced to coarse bread-and-circus hoopla. Cynically debased and crudely served up solely to garner a dividend to the government coffers; and all of it an undifferentiated sales-pitchcacophony directed at the single braincell rugby league slumpgut in all his mindless stupor.
Shameful, self-abasing and degenerate.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:04:13 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:00:35 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That is waking around the issue - only National have consistently lied
The embarrassing hole Joyce and English have dug for themselves with
their debunked lie about Labours projections just keeps getting
bigger. Sad that the best they can do is lie to the public about their
opponents.
Both sides game the voter as happens whenever there's a challenge to the status quo.
about the policies of another,
they are wrong, persist in repeating the lie. The ๖ther side"have done nothing like that. so in saying that "Both sides game the voter", you
are both minimising the Trumpism of National's "alternative facts" -
or deliberate lies and accusing other parties of doing the same thing,
which is patently untrue.
to be any significant improvement to the current status quo. But yes, I've already done my democratic duty, and voted. One should, and one does.But both sides are neither radical nor in any way reformative, both of them sharing a common centre ground what is - when you dismiss the lies and clear away the smoke-and-mirrors fog - a palpably stagnant economy.
But it is an **advancing** economy - and only an advancing economy - that provides the backbone for any nation to sustain and grow its wealth.
The evidence to date tells me that neither party has what it takes for there
the worst yet by far: nothing whatever was to be learned other than Mike Hosking has sunk even lower than could seem possible into his abrasive, egotistical persona.
As for the TV election debates per se:
Yesterday evening's spit-n'-sawdust bar-room contest on State Television was
outfit getting its hooks into the financially illiterate, their combined low-rent blandishments seamlessly complementing the racket spouting from Hoskings huckstering maw. You could barely distinguish debate from ad-break - Hosking carefully made sure
Ardern, the feisty upstart challenger, looked tired; English, the stolid, uninspiring gumboot shamelessly dissembled, waffled and prevaricated. Harvey Norman were - as tradition dictates - on hand to fill in the ad breaks along with some loan-shark
cacophony directed at the single braincell rugby league slumpgut in all his mindless stupor.
Thus was 21st-century New Zealand's tri-annual democratic debate reduced to coarse bread-and-circus hoopla. Cynically debased and crudely served up solely to garner a dividend to the government coffers; and all of it an undifferentiated sales-pitch
Shameful, self-abasing and degenerate.
I do not believe most voters want a government that deliberately and repeatedly lies about their opposition, regardless of policies.
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