On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:36:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:05:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

<snip

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

The notification from the department to the minister is not a "leak" you

"The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be disclosed to

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the Solicitor

"

So don't call that a leak because it is no such thing. The question is who

See below - I see that you deliberately snipped the earlier part of
the thread - you were the person that quoted a reference to the leak
coming from Bendan Boyle :
JohnO: "According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil
servant Brendan Boyle." - you did not object to that description
before. Disclosing information that should not be disclosed _is_ a
leak, you idiot.

Re the first, listen to:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis

Who cares what Geddis and the blustering drunken midget Winston say?

The main content was fom Andrew Geddis - did you even listen?

And the earlier part of the thread that you were so embarrassed about
that you deleted:

Dickbot is for some reason *desperate* to distract this thread from its

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >wrote:

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:53:50 UTC+12, Pooh wrote:

On 29/08/2017 1:06 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> > wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>> >>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>> >>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>> >>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>> >>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but >>> >>"no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence >>> > that he had such an opportunity?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>> >>> for example:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784
https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no
evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one,

National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public - >>> > but it was right around the National party - did you read the links. >>> >

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/ >>> >

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?, >>> > Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

My bet would be somebody with no links to the Labour party Rich. After >>> all the only party liable to gain any benefit from this is Labour who
are desperate to get their dirty hands on the Treasury benches

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that >>> > they had the information . . .

Nice twist on the Labour good, National bad mantra Richie :)

Pooh

According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil servant Brendan >>Boyle.

Dickbot's too useless to look that up and will start bleating for a cite so >>here it is Dickbot:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96340317/shane-jones-takes-aim-at-social-development-boss-writings-on-the-wall

If necessary Dickbot, ask a grownup how to use a mouse to click in the link >>above.

While it may have been easy for you to click on the link, apaprently
it was much harder for you to actually read the words.
From the article:

"Ministry of Social Development chief executive Brendan Boyle has
confirmed he briefed his minister Anne Tolley that the department had >settled a matter with NZ First leader Winston Peters' on the
overpayment of his pension.

He was not the only official to know or to brief their minister of
Peters' personal superannuation details"

""The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be
disclosed to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the
State Services Commission who provided advice that this should be
disclosed to the Minister of Social Development under the 'no
surprises' policy."

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the
Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister
Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne >Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the decision not to tell the
Prime Minister.

It's unclear where the leak has come from, but NZ First is pointing
the finger at National while that party is rejecting suggestions it >released Peters' pension information.

Three separate investigations were launched this week, into the source
of a leak to journalists about an error in Peters' pension
application, that resulted in him being overpaid for a number of
years."

"Inland Revenue, the Ministry of Social Development and Ministerial >Services have all launched internal inquiries into the handling of the >information, and State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes said if a
leak in the public service was discovered, it would be met with "zero >tolerance". "

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

Re the first, listen to: >http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis
"Winston Peters is vowing that whoever leaked his superannuation
details will be held to account. He says he doesn't think government >officials should have briefed ministers of his situation, especially
before he himself had been told he needed to pay money back.

"This whole 'no surprises' policy has really morphed from being 'give >information where a minister may be accountable, especially in
Parliament' to simply 'tell the Minister anything that might cause the >minister any sort of problems at all' - and that certainly shouldn't
be happening," University of Otago law professor Andrew Geddis tells >Morning Report."

Part of the problem is undoubtedly the bullying stance taken by
National Ministers - they appear not to believe that the law (in this
case Privacy Laws) apply to them, and they do not understand the
importance of poliitical impartiality from the Public service. There
should be another investigation into whether the law has been breached
- Winston Peters and Shane Jones certainly think so, but that should
not stop such an investigation.

Then we have the equally serious breach of privacy in the information
being leaked to news media. This is hardly the soprt of leak which
comes under whistleblower provisions, and it may well be hard to prove
that it was not one of the Ministers or their staff (even given the
careful wording from Eaglesome that he did not tell anyone else in the
PMs office - leaving unstated whether he told someone else . . .) -
and National know that in this case their firm belief that anything is
OK if you dont get caught" may well see 'no-one have to answer for
this illegal act.
My view is than at reasonable

Bollocks, there is no need to prove that it was not one of the ministers or staff, it is necessary for someone to prove that it was - otherwise no case

answer.
Peters is simply doing what he always does, making noises and once more he

be wrong (a habit if his).
Tony

On 8/31/2017 4:37 PM, JohnO wrote:

Dickbot is for some reason *desperate* to distract this thread from its original subject, being the drunken dwarf's history of telling big fat lies.

Could it be that rich might be closer to the DD (drunken dwarf) that we
could suppose

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Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:53:50 UTC+12, Pooh wrote:

On 29/08/2017 1:06 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>> > wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>> >>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>> >>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>> >>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>> >>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but >>>> >>"no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence >>>> > that he had such an opportunity?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>> >>> for example:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>> >>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no
evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one, not >>>> >>National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public - >>>> > but it was right around the National party - did you read the links. >>>> >

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/ >>>> >

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?, >>>> > Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

My bet would be somebody with no links to the Labour party Rich. After >>>> all the only party liable to gain any benefit from this is Labour who
are desperate to get their dirty hands on the Treasury benches

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that >>>> > they had the information . . .

Nice twist on the Labour good, National bad mantra Richie :)

Pooh

According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil servant Brendan >>>Boyle.

Dickbot's too useless to look that up and will start bleating for a cite so >>>here it is Dickbot:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96340317/shane-jones-takes-aim-at-social-development-boss-writings-on-the-wall

If necessary Dickbot, ask a grownup how to use a mouse to click in the link >>>above.

While it may have been easy for you to click on the link, apaprently
it was much harder for you to actually read the words.
From the article:

"Ministry of Social Development chief executive Brendan Boyle has
confirmed he briefed his minister Anne Tolley that the department had >>settled a matter with NZ First leader Winston Peters' on the
overpayment of his pension.

He was not the only official to know or to brief their minister of
Peters' personal superannuation details"

""The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be
disclosed to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the
State Services Commission who provided advice that this should be
disclosed to the Minister of Social Development under the 'no
surprises' policy."

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the
Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister
Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne >>Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the decision not to tell the
Prime Minister.

It's unclear where the leak has come from, but NZ First is pointing
the finger at National while that party is rejecting suggestions it >>released Peters' pension information.

Three separate investigations were launched this week, into the source
of a leak to journalists about an error in Peters' pension
application, that resulted in him being overpaid for a number of
years."

"Inland Revenue, the Ministry of Social Development and Ministerial >>Services have all launched internal inquiries into the handling of the >>information, and State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes said if a
leak in the public service was discovered, it would be met with "zero >>tolerance". "

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

Re the first, listen to: >>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis
"Winston Peters is vowing that whoever leaked his superannuation
details will be held to account. He says he doesn't think government >>officials should have briefed ministers of his situation, especially
before he himself had been told he needed to pay money back.

"This whole 'no surprises' policy has really morphed from being 'give >>information where a minister may be accountable, especially in
Parliament' to simply 'tell the Minister anything that might cause the >>minister any sort of problems at all' - and that certainly shouldn't
be happening," University of Otago law professor Andrew Geddis tells >>Morning Report."

Part of the problem is undoubtedly the bullying stance taken by
National Ministers - they appear not to believe that the law (in this
case Privacy Laws) apply to them, and they do not understand the
importance of poliitical impartiality from the Public service. There
should be another investigation into whether the law has been breached
- Winston Peters and Shane Jones certainly think so, but that should
not stop such an investigation.

Then we have the equally serious breach of privacy in the information
being leaked to news media. This is hardly the soprt of leak which
comes under whistleblower provisions, and it may well be hard to prove
that it was not one of the Ministers or their staff (even given the
careful wording from Eaglesome that he did not tell anyone else in the
PMs office - leaving unstated whether he told someone else . . .) -
and National know that in this case their firm belief that anything is
OK if you dont get caught" may well see 'no-one have to answer for
this illegal act.
My view is than at reasonable

Bollocks, there is no need to prove that it was not one of the ministers or >staff, it is necessary for someone to prove that it was - otherwise no case to >answer.
Peters is simply doing what he always does, making noises and once more he may >be wrong (a habit if his).
Tony

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 15:56:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:36:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:05:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

<snip

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

The notification from the department to the minister is not a "leak" you dissembling little tool. It's a formal channel and if you bothered to read the article you would have seen that the department took advice from the SSC:

"The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be disclosed to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the State Services Commission who provided advice that this should be disclosed to the Minister of

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the

"

So don't call that a leak because it is no such thing. The question is who leaked to the media, and Shane Jones is blasting Boyle for it.

See below - I see that you deliberately snipped the earlier part of
the thread - you were the person that quoted a reference to the leak
coming from Bendan Boyle :
JohnO: "According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil
servant Brendan Boyle." - you did not object to that description
before. Disclosing information that should not be disclosed _is_ a
leak, you idiot.

OK, so Dickbot can't grasp the English language, let alone use of Google.

The information was passed through a legitinate channel on the advice if the SSC Commissioner. A "leak" is an unauthorised secret release of information. This information release was authorised and discoverable. Whether it was wise or not is irrelevant.

Re the first, listen to:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis

Who cares what Geddis and the blustering drunken midget Winston say?

The main content was fom Andrew Geddis - did you even listen?

And the earlier part of the thread that you were so embarrassed about
that you deleted:

Nope. I snip from posts to increase readablity and reduce repetition. It's called good usenet etiquette. Being a dopey little fuckwit you wouldn't understand. Indeed everything is visible in a threaded reader (do you know what

<snipped again>

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything
you say?

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was
made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his
mistake or that of the department.

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see
for example: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?: https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296 http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically: https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything
you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was
made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his
mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314

'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but "no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence
that he had such an opportunity?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see
for example:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784
https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one, not National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public -
but it was right around the National party - did you read the links.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?,
Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that
they had the information . . .

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:04:39 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 13:06:06 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything
you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

Get a grip on yourself Dickbot.

Name calling is so childish - and Winston is still not a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but "no

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence
that he had such an opportunity?

God you're thick. There's no suggestion Winston altered it. Winston suggests

Got it yet, Dumbo?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>>> for example:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no evidence

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public -

Ah yes, whenever Dickbot says "it seems" or "appear" you know he's just making shit up.

but it was right around the National party - did you read the links.

Yes, and there is only supposition and no evidence. As I said.

More than supposition - National admitted it went to those people.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?,
Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that
they had the information . . .

As has every other MSD employee who was there when Winston was called in to explain himself. There are probably dozens of people who knew what was going on.

Youa re getting as desperate as National . . .

As per usual, Dickbot has nothing but just throws excrement like the chimpanzee he is.

Cameron Slater believes the shit is beng thrown by National . . .what
does he know that you don't, JohnO?

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 21:33:36 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On 29 Aug 2017 05:51:37 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2017-08-29, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

5 foot 7 inches. Well above midget

Cite? That's pretty short. Lets call him a short-arse then. Happy now or are

Not atypical for his generation. Are you trying to distract from your
attempt to slur Winston Peters?

What dishonesty record are you talking about? Its nothing compared
with the Dirty Tricks of National - the scandal is about the public
servants exposing details of individuals for political purposes - and
it then being "conveniently" leaked - no dishonesty from Peters in
that - he is rightly appalled that his personal details follow a trail
of similar disclosures by National.

So was Sir Robert Muldoon.

Still like politicans to-day he represented some of the people.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 23:09:43 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 21:33:36 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On 29 Aug 2017 05:51:37 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2017-08-29, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

5 foot 7 inches. Well above midget

Cite? That's pretty short. Lets call him a short-arse then. Happy now or are you still desperate to divert the thread away from Winston's dishonesty record a little longer?

Not atypical for his generation.

No cite then. Made it up?

Google "Winston Peters height"
You really are losing it, aren't you JOhnO? Take a deep breath, and
try smiling at a stranger; it will make you feel better and take your
mind from the next Labour/Green government.

Are you trying to distract from your
attempt to slur Winston Peters?

You're the one banging on about the specifics of his midget classification, dickhead.

He has only been so "classified" by a despicable slur from a troll
attempting to distract from a leak from the outgoing National
government . . .

What dishonesty record are you talking about?

As listed in the original post in this thread, dickhead. I see you've successfully distracted yourself from the topic. The only person in the history

That is dishonesty from a single poster who made unsupported
assertions - who calls for cites from others but does not give them
himself. Recognise yourself, JOhnO?

Its nothing compared
with the Dirty Tricks of National - the scandal is about the public
servants exposing details of individuals for political purposes - and

We don't know their purpose. You are making shit up.

For once I agree - we do not know National's purpose in making this
leak - yet another illegal disclosure of personal information for
political purposes. It is however hard to see why they did it - you
are correct; increasingly New Zealanders are wondering at the purpose
of this National-led government; it is certainly not the welfare of
New Zealanders in general.

it then being "conveniently" leaked - no dishonesty from Peters in
that - he is rightly appalled that his personal details follow a trail
of similar disclosures by National.

So was Sir Robert Muldoon.

Still like politicans to-day he represented some of the people.

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 07:43:17 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 23:09:43 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 21:33:36 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On 29 Aug 2017 05:51:37 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2017-08-29, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

5 foot 7 inches. Well above midget

Cite? That's pretty short. Lets call him a short-arse then. Happy now or are you still desperate to divert the thread away from Winston's dishonesty record a little longer?

Not atypical for his generation.

No cite then. Made it up?

Google "Winston Peters height"
You really are losing it, aren't you JOhnO? Take a deep breath, and
try smiling at a stranger; it will make you feel better and take your
mind from the next Labour/Green government.

Jesus wept. You still need to be explained what a "cite" is? There's nothing

Are you trying to distract from your
attempt to slur Winston Peters?

You're the one banging on about the specifics of his midget classification,

He has only been so "classified" by a despicable slur from a troll
attempting to distract from a leak from the outgoing National
government . . .

It's not a despicable slur. Why are you so prejudiced against midgets like

What dishonesty record are you talking about?

As listed in the original post in this thread, dickhead. I see you've successfully distracted yourself from the topic. The only person in the history

That is dishonesty from a single poster who made unsupported
assertions - who calls for cites from others but does not give them
himself. Recognise yourself, JOhnO?

Winston said he received no donations from Glenn. He did. http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_video_story_skin/1919798

Winston said Lochinvar Station was being sold to Chinese. It was not. https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/one-of-new-zealands-wealthiest-families-buys-lochinver-station

Winston claimed Huka Lodge was being sold to the Chinese. It was not. http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/huka-lodge-denies-peters-chinese-sale-claims-2014022114

Add to the list of lies: "Dickbot says JohnO doesn't give cites".

Its nothing compared
with the Dirty Tricks of National - the scandal is about the public
servants exposing details of individuals for political purposes - and

We don't know their purpose. You are making shit up.

For once I agree - we do not know National's purpose in making this

We're talking about public servants you idiot, not National.

leak - yet another illegal disclosure of personal information for
political purposes. It is however hard to see why they did it - you
are correct; increasingly New Zealanders are wondering at the purpose
of this National-led government; it is certainly not the welfare of
New Zealanders in general.

Blah blah Dickbot continues to make shit up.

it then being "conveniently" leaked - no dishonesty from Peters in
that - he is rightly appalled that his personal details follow a trail >>>> of similar disclosures by National.

So was Sir Robert Muldoon.

Still like politicans to-day he represented some of the people.

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 07:43:17 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 23:09:43 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 21:33:36 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On 29 Aug 2017 05:51:37 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>

On 2017-08-29, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO

<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says? >>>>>>>>>>

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

5 foot 7 inches. Well above midget

Cite? That's pretty short. Lets call him a short-arse then. Happy now or >>>>>> are you still desperate to divert the thread away from Winston's dishonesty
record a little longer?

Not atypical for his generation.

No cite then. Made it up?

Google "Winston Peters height"
You really are losing it, aren't you JOhnO? Take a deep breath, and
try smiling at a stranger; it will make you feel better and take your
mind from the next Labour/Green government.

Jesus wept. You still need to be explained what a "cite" is? There's nothing >> on Google that is a "cite" to Winnie the Midget's height. There's an anonymous
page on the internet with an answer but there's no name behind it. In other >> words, I can put up an anonymous page that says you are a dick, but I would not
claim it was a "cite".

Are you trying to distract from your
attempt to slur Winston Peters?

You're the one banging on about the specifics of his midget classification,
dickhead.

He has only been so "classified" by a despicable slur from a troll
attempting to distract from a leak from the outgoing National
government . . .

It's not a despicable slur. Why are you so prejudiced against midgets like >> Winston?

What dishonesty record are you talking about?

As listed in the original post in this thread, dickhead. I see you've
successfully distracted yourself from the topic. The only person in the history
of usenet to startle themselves with a "look, squirrel"!

That is dishonesty from a single poster who made unsupported
assertions - who calls for cites from others but does not give them
himself. Recognise yourself, JOhnO?

Winston said he received no donations from Glenn. He did.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_video_story_skin/1919798

Winston said Lochinvar Station was being sold to Chinese. It was not.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/one-of-new-zealands-wealthiest-families-buys-lochinver-station

Winston claimed Huka Lodge was being sold to the Chinese. It was not.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/huka-lodge-denies-peters-chinese-sale-claims-2014022114

Add to the list of lies: "Dickbot says JohnO doesn't give cites".

Its nothing compared
with the Dirty Tricks of National - the scandal is about the public
servants exposing details of individuals for political purposes - and >>>>

We don't know their purpose. You are making shit up.

For once I agree - we do not know National's purpose in making this

We're talking about public servants you idiot, not National.

leak - yet another illegal disclosure of personal information for
political purposes. It is however hard to see why they did it - you
are correct; increasingly New Zealanders are wondering at the purpose
of this National-led government; it is certainly not the welfare of
New Zealanders in general.

Blah blah Dickbot continues to make shit up.

it then being "conveniently" leaked - no dishonesty from Peters in
that - he is rightly appalled that his personal details follow a trail >>>>> of similar disclosures by National.

So was Sir Robert Muldoon.

Still like politicans to-day he represented some of the people.

Rich is a waste of air, bandwidth and neurons. There is no reason why

(or Labour for that matter) would do this, We do not know who leaked it to

press and for Rich to assume it was National is yet another deliberate lie by him. The only party that might gain from doing it is the Greens who are at serious risk right now, unless of course it was Winston himself or simply a government employee that did something unacceptable - it happens

But Rich can only drool over the idea that it had to be the government or the National party. By the way how tall do you imagine Rich is, there are

of "short man syndrome" in some of his posts. David Lange was quite short

I met him more than once but unlike Rich he had real intellect.
Tony

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 15:32:42 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:04:39 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 13:06:06 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

Get a grip on yourself Dickbot.

Name calling is so childish - and Winston is still not a midget.

What name calling? And you already admitted you don't know how tall Winston

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>>>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>>>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>>>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but "no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence
that he had such an opportunity?

God you're thick. There's no suggestion Winston altered it. Winston suggests someone else altered it. However if nobody altered it then Winston may

Got it yet, Dumbo?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>>>> for example:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>>>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one, not National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public -

Ah yes, whenever Dickbot says "it seems" or "appear" you know he's just making shit up.

but it was right around the National party - did you read the links.

Yes, and there is only supposition and no evidence. As I said.

More than supposition - National admitted it went to those people.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/ >>>>

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?,
Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that >>>> they had the information . . .

As has every other MSD employee who was there when Winston was called in to

Youa re getting as desperate as National . . .

Can't argue on facts eh Dickbot? You said the evidence was the Nats had the

As per usual, Dickbot has nothing but just throws excrement like the chimpanzee he is.

Cameron Slater believes the shit is beng thrown by National . . .what
does he know that you don't, JohnO?

So now you're a WhaleOil follower? What a tool.

Whaleoil says whatever his payers tell him to say. He does this for a living.

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:53:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 15:32:42 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:04:39 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 13:06:06 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

Get a grip on yourself Dickbot.

Name calling is so childish - and Winston is still not a midget.

What name calling? And you already admitted you don't know how tall Winston is. Why are you so obsessed with this midget comment? Want to divert the discussion away? Is this your "look, a squirrel!" effort? Pathetic.

I know that he is not a midget. You were deliberately maligning him.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>>>>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>>>>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>>>>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but "no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence >>>>> that he had such an opportunity?

God you're thick. There's no suggestion Winston altered it. Winston suggests someone else altered it. However if nobody altered it then Winston may

Got it yet, Dumbo?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>>>>> for example:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one, not National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public - >>>>

Ah yes, whenever Dickbot says "it seems" or "appear" you know he's just making shit up.

but it was right around the National party - did you read the links.

Yes, and there is only supposition and no evidence. As I said.

More than supposition - National admitted it went to those people.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/ >>>>>

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?, >>>>> Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that >>>>> they had the information . . .

As has every other MSD employee who was there when Winston was called in to explain himself. There are probably dozens of people who knew what was going

You are getting as desperate as National . . .

Can't argue on facts eh Dickbot? You said the evidence was the Nats had the information. So did a whole lot of others. Too hard for you to follow, Dumbo?

It is a fact that the public servants you were accusing had no
incentive to release the information. Indeed they sought advice on
whether it should be given to Ministers under the "No surprises" rules
- which is now giving rise to discussion on how that is being abused
by National as they seek to politicise our public servants.

As per usual, Dickbot has nothing but just throws excrement like the chimpanzee he is.

Cameron Slater believes the shit is beng thrown by National . . .what
does he know that you don't, JohnO?

So now you're a WhaleOil follower? What a tool.

Whaleoil says whatever his payers tell him to say. He does this for a living. Go back a couple of years and his posts about Winston are generally of the theme "Winston tells lies".

Indeed, except now he is saying that this is a deliberate smear
campaign by National.

At least he is not trying to blame public servants to distract froman increasingly desperate National party, who may have just thrown away
any chance of going into coalition with Winston . . .

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:53:50 UTC+12, Pooh wrote:

On 29/08/2017 1:06 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything
you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but "no

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence
that he had such an opportunity?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>>> for example:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no evidence

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public -
but it was right around the National party - did you read the links.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?,
Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

My bet would be somebody with no links to the Labour party Rich. After
all the only party liable to gain any benefit from this is Labour who
are desperate to get their dirty hands on the Treasury benches

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that
they had the information . . .

Nice twist on the Labour good, National bad mantra Richie :)

Pooh

According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil servant Brendan

Dickbot's too useless to look that up and will start bleating for a cite so

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96340317/shane-jones-takes-aim-at-social-development-boss-writings-on-the-wall

If necessary Dickbot, ask a grownup how to use a mouse to click in the link

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 15:56:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:36:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:05:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

<snip

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

The notification from the department to the minister is not a "leak" you >>>> dissembling little tool. It's a formal channel and if you bothered to read

article you would have seen that the department took advice from the SSC: >>>>
"The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be disclosed >>>> to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the State Services >>>> Commission who provided advice that this should be disclosed to the Minister of
Social Development under the 'no surprises' policy."

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the Solicitor >>>> General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister Paula Bennett on the
issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne Eagleson was briefed by >>>> Tolley, but took the decision not to tell the Prime Minister.
"

So don't call that a leak because it is no such thing. The question is who >>>> leaked to the media, and Shane Jones is blasting Boyle for it.

See below - I see that you deliberately snipped the earlier part of
the thread - you were the person that quoted a reference to the leak
coming from Bendan Boyle :
JohnO: "According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil
servant Brendan Boyle." - you did not object to that description
before. Disclosing information that should not be disclosed _is_ a
leak, you idiot.

OK, so Dickbot can't grasp the English language, let alone use of Google.

The information was passed through a legitinate channel on the advice if the >> SSC Commissioner. A "leak" is an unauthorised secret release of information. >> This information release was authorised and discoverable. Whether it was wise
or not is irrelevant.

Re the first, listen to:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis

Who cares what Geddis and the blustering drunken midget Winston say?

The main content was fom Andrew Geddis - did you even listen?

And the earlier part of the thread that you were so embarrassed about
that you deleted:

Nope. I snip from posts to increase readablity and reduce repetition. It's >> called good usenet etiquette. Being a dopey little fuckwit you wouldn't
understand. Indeed everything is visible in a threaded reader (do you know what
that is) so snipping doesn't remove any content.

<snipped again>

Give up JohnO, the word etiquette is one that Rich cannot relate to - it implies ethics, another difficult concept for him.
Tony

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:36:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:05:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

<snip

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

The notification from the department to the minister is not a "leak" you dissembling little tool. It's a formal channel and if you bothered to read the article you would have seen that the department took advice from the SSC:

"The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be disclosed to

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the

"

So don't call that a leak because it is no such thing. The question is who leaked to the media, and Shane Jones is blasting Boyle for it.

See below - I see that you deliberately snipped the earlier part of
the thread - you were the person that quoted a reference to the leak
coming from Bendan Boyle :
JohnO: "According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil
servant Brendan Boyle." - you did not object to that description
before. Disclosing information that should not be disclosed _is_ a
leak, you idiot.

Re the first, listen to:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis

Who cares what Geddis and the blustering drunken midget Winston say?

The main content was fom Andrew Geddis - did you even listen?

And the earlier part of the thread that you were so embarrassed about
that you deleted:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:53:50 UTC+12, Pooh wrote:

On 29/08/2017 1:06 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>>>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>>>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>>>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but "no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence
that he had such an opportunity?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>>>> for example:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>>>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one, not National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public - >>>> but it was right around the National party - did you read the links.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/ >>>>

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?,
Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

My bet would be somebody with no links to the Labour party Rich. After
all the only party liable to gain any benefit from this is Labour who
are desperate to get their dirty hands on the Treasury benches

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that >>>> they had the information . . .

Nice twist on the Labour good, National bad mantra Richie :)

Pooh

According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil servant Brendan Boyle.

Dickbot's too useless to look that up and will start bleating for a cite so here it is Dickbot:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96340317/shane-jones-takes-aim-at-social-development-boss-writings-on-the-wall

If necessary Dickbot, ask a grownup how to use a mouse to click in the link above.

While it may have been easy for you to click on the link, apaprently
it was much harder for you to actually read the words.
From the article:

"Ministry of Social Development chief executive Brendan Boyle has
confirmed he briefed his minister Anne Tolley that the department had
settled a matter with NZ First leader Winston Peters' on the
overpayment of his pension.

He was not the only official to know or to brief their minister of
Peters' personal superannuation details"

""The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be
disclosed to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the
State Services Commission who provided advice that this should be
disclosed to the Minister of Social Development under the 'no
surprises' policy."

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the
Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister
Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the decision not to tell the
Prime Minister.

It's unclear where the leak has come from, but NZ First is pointing
the finger at National while that party is rejecting suggestions it
released Peters' pension information.

Three separate investigations were launched this week, into the source
of a leak to journalists about an error in Peters' pension
application, that resulted in him being overpaid for a number of
years."

"Inland Revenue, the Ministry of Social Development and Ministerial
Services have all launched internal inquiries into the handling of the information, and State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes said if a
leak in the public service was discovered, it would be met with "zero tolerance". "

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

Re the first, listen to: http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis
"Winston Peters is vowing that whoever leaked his superannuation
details will be held to account. He says he doesn't think government officials should have briefed ministers of his situation, especially
before he himself had been told he needed to pay money back.

"This whole 'no surprises' policy has really morphed from being 'give information where a minister may be accountable, especially in
Parliament' to simply 'tell the Minister anything that might cause the minister any sort of problems at all' - and that certainly shouldn't
be happening," University of Otago law professor Andrew Geddis tells
Morning Report."

Part of the problem is undoubtedly the bullying stance taken by
National Ministers - they appear not to believe that the law (in this
case Privacy Laws) apply to them, and they do not understand the
importance of poliitical impartiality from the Public service. There
should be another investigation into whether the law has been breached
- Winston Peters and Shane Jones certainly think so, but that should
not stop such an investigation.

Then we have the equally serious breach of privacy in the information
being leaked to news media. This is hardly the soprt of leak which
comes under whistleblower provisions, and it may well be hard to prove
that it was not one of the Ministers or their staff (even given the
careful wording from Eaglesome that he did not tell anyone else in the
PMs office - leaving unstated whether he told someone else . . .) -
and National know that in this case their firm belief that anything is
OK if you dont get caught" may well see 'no-one have to answer for
this illegal act.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:53:50 UTC+12, Pooh wrote:

On 29/08/2017 1:06 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>>>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>>>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>>>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but "no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence
that he had such an opportunity?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>>>> for example:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>>>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one, not National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public - >>>> but it was right around the National party - did you read the links.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/ >>>>

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?,
Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

My bet would be somebody with no links to the Labour party Rich. After
all the only party liable to gain any benefit from this is Labour who
are desperate to get their dirty hands on the Treasury benches

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that >>>> they had the information . . .

Nice twist on the Labour good, National bad mantra Richie :)

Pooh

According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil servant Brendan Boyle.

Dickbot's too useless to look that up and will start bleating for a cite so here it is Dickbot:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96340317/shane-jones-takes-aim-at-social-development-boss-writings-on-the-wall

If necessary Dickbot, ask a grownup how to use a mouse to click in the link above.

While it may have been easy for you to click on the link, apaprently
it was much harder for you to actually read the words.
From the article:

"Ministry of Social Development chief executive Brendan Boyle has
confirmed he briefed his minister Anne Tolley that the department had
settled a matter with NZ First leader Winston Peters' on the
overpayment of his pension.

He was not the only official to know or to brief their minister of
Peters' personal superannuation details"

""The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be
disclosed to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the
State Services Commission who provided advice that this should be
disclosed to the Minister of Social Development under the 'no
surprises' policy."

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the
Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister
Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the decision not to tell the
Prime Minister.

It's unclear where the leak has come from, but NZ First is pointing
the finger at National while that party is rejecting suggestions it
released Peters' pension information.

Three separate investigations were launched this week, into the source
of a leak to journalists about an error in Peters' pension
application, that resulted in him being overpaid for a number of
years."

"Inland Revenue, the Ministry of Social Development and Ministerial
Services have all launched internal inquiries into the handling of the information, and State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes said if a
leak in the public service was discovered, it would be met with "zero tolerance". "

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

Re the first, listen to: http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis
"Winston Peters is vowing that whoever leaked his superannuation
details will be held to account. He says he doesn't think government officials should have briefed ministers of his situation, especially
before he himself had been told he needed to pay money back.

"This whole 'no surprises' policy has really morphed from being 'give information where a minister may be accountable, especially in
Parliament' to simply 'tell the Minister anything that might cause the minister any sort of problems at all' - and that certainly shouldn't
be happening," University of Otago law professor Andrew Geddis tells
Morning Report."

Part of the problem is undoubtedly the bullying stance taken by
National Ministers - they appear not to believe that the law (in this
case Privacy Laws) apply to them, and they do not understand the
importance of poliitical impartiality from the Public service. There
should be another investigation into whether the law has been breached
- Winston Peters and Shane Jones certainly think so, but that should
not stop such an investigation.

Then we have the equally serious breach of privacy in the information
being leaked to news media. This is hardly the soprt of leak which
comes under whistleblower provisions, and it may well be hard to prove
that it was not one of the Ministers or their staff (even given the
careful wording from Eaglesome that he did not tell anyone else in the
PMs office - leaving unstated whether he told someone else . . .) -
and National know that in this case their firm belief that anything is
OK if you dont get caught" may well see 'no-one have to answer for
this illegal act.
My view is than at reasonable

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:04:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 8/31/2017 4:37 PM, JohnO wrote:

Dickbot is for some reason *desperate* to distract this thread from its original subject, being the drunken dwarf's history of telling big fat lies. >>>

Could it be that rich might be closer to the DD (drunken dwarf) that we
could suppose

The thread is nothing to do with Murray McCully - don't keep changing
the subject

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On 8/30/2017 10:51 PM, Pooh wrote:

If anyone is making shit up it's you and Winston Rich! Both of you
excel at that. Interesting that you gave three cites from WhaleOil a
source you've only ever claimed is a National Party blog. I disagree
with Whale on this. I'm inclined to think it's another hit job from
Labour because they're the only party that'll gain any benefit from it.

I have reason to believe that the only person to benefit from this is
Peters himself.
He made himself out to be a victim of government departments and the Nats. Who better to have 'dobbed' himself in

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:36:32 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 15:56:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:36:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:05:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

<snip

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

The notification from the department to the minister is not a "leak" you dissembling little tool. It's a formal channel and if you bothered to read the article you would have seen that the department took advice from the SSC:

"The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be disclosed to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the State Services Commission who provided advice that this should be disclosed to the Minister of

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the

"

So don't call that a leak because it is no such thing. The question is who

See below - I see that you deliberately snipped the earlier part of
the thread - you were the person that quoted a reference to the leak
coming from Bendan Boyle :
JohnO: "According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil
servant Brendan Boyle." - you did not object to that description
before. Disclosing information that should not be disclosed _is_ a
leak, you idiot.

OK, so Dickbot can't grasp the English language, let alone use of Google.

The information was passed through a legitinate channel on the advice if the

The SSC Commissioner got it wrong - and he is one of those that leaked
the information to a (different) National party minister.

Re the first, listen to:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis

Who cares what Geddis and the blustering drunken midget Winston say?

The main content was fom Andrew Geddis - did you even listen?

And the earlier part of the thread that you were so embarrassed about
that you deleted:

Nope. I snip from posts to increase readablity and reduce repetition. It's called good usenet etiquette. Being a dopey little fuckwit you wouldn't understand. Indeed everything is visible in a threaded reader (do you know what

It was deleted because his later statement was totally contrary to an
earlier statement.

<snipped again>

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:54:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:53:50 UTC+12, Pooh wrote:

On 29/08/2017 1:06 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>>>>>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>>>>>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google. >>>>>>>
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>>>>>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but >>>>>>> "no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would >>>>>> have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence >>>>>> that he had such an opportunity?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could! >>>>>>>> Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>>>>>> for example:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no >>>>>>> evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one, not
National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public - >>>>>> but it was right around the National party - did you read the links. >>>>>>

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/ >>>>>>

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or >>>>>> others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_ >>>>>> the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?, >>>>>> Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

My bet would be somebody with no links to the Labour party Rich. After >>>>> all the only party liable to gain any benefit from this is Labour who >>>>> are desperate to get their dirty hands on the Treasury benches

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that >>>>>> they had the information . . .

Nice twist on the Labour good, National bad mantra Richie :)

Pooh

According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil servant Brendan
Boyle.

Dickbot's too useless to look that up and will start bleating for a cite so
here it is Dickbot:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96340317/shane-jones-takes-aim-at-social-development-boss-writings-on-the-wall

If necessary Dickbot, ask a grownup how to use a mouse to click in the link
above.

While it may have been easy for you to click on the link, apaprently
it was much harder for you to actually read the words.
From the article:

"Ministry of Social Development chief executive Brendan Boyle has
confirmed he briefed his minister Anne Tolley that the department had
settled a matter with NZ First leader Winston Peters' on the
overpayment of his pension.

He was not the only official to know or to brief their minister of
Peters' personal superannuation details"

""The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be
disclosed to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the
State Services Commission who provided advice that this should be
disclosed to the Minister of Social Development under the 'no
surprises' policy."

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the
Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister
Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne
Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the decision not to tell the
Prime Minister.

It's unclear where the leak has come from, but NZ First is pointing
the finger at National while that party is rejecting suggestions it
released Peters' pension information.

Three separate investigations were launched this week, into the source
of a leak to journalists about an error in Peters' pension
application, that resulted in him being overpaid for a number of
years."

"Inland Revenue, the Ministry of Social Development and Ministerial
Services have all launched internal inquiries into the handling of the
information, and State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes said if a
leak in the public service was discovered, it would be met with "zero
tolerance". "

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

Re the first, listen to:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis
"Winston Peters is vowing that whoever leaked his superannuation
details will be held to account. He says he doesn't think government
officials should have briefed ministers of his situation, especially
before he himself had been told he needed to pay money back.

"This whole 'no surprises' policy has really morphed from being 'give
information where a minister may be accountable, especially in
Parliament' to simply 'tell the Minister anything that might cause the
minister any sort of problems at all' - and that certainly shouldn't
be happening," University of Otago law professor Andrew Geddis tells
Morning Report."

Part of the problem is undoubtedly the bullying stance taken by
National Ministers - they appear not to believe that the law (in this
case Privacy Laws) apply to them, and they do not understand the
importance of poliitical impartiality from the Public service. There
should be another investigation into whether the law has been breached
- Winston Peters and Shane Jones certainly think so, but that should
not stop such an investigation.

Then we have the equally serious breach of privacy in the information
being leaked to news media. This is hardly the soprt of leak which
comes under whistleblower provisions, and it may well be hard to prove
that it was not one of the Ministers or their staff (even given the
careful wording from Eaglesome that he did not tell anyone else in the
PMs office - leaving unstated whether he told someone else . . .) -
and National know that in this case their firm belief that anything is
OK if you dont get caught" may well see 'no-one have to answer for
this illegal act.
My view is than at reasonable

Bollocks, there is no need to prove that it was not one of the ministers or >> staff, it is necessary for someone to prove that it was - otherwise no case to
answer.
Peters is simply doing what he always does, making noises and once more he may
be wrong (a habit if his).
Tony

Winston is complainng about he public aservants wrongly oputting ":no surprises" ahead of Privacy laws, He was also complaining about the
cabinet ministers offending against he privacy act in passing htat information on to others, including Bill English'chief of staff - but
don't worry Tony, National will make sure any police or other enquiry
does not make a decision before the election . . .

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:53:50 UTC+12, Pooh wrote:

On 29/08/2017 1:06 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:24:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

"I did not receive a donation from Owen Glenn"

"The Chinese are buying Huka Lodge"

"The Chinese are buying Lochinvar Station"

Why would anyone believe a word this drunken midget says?

He is probably about average in height - should we believe anything >>>>>>> you say?

"Probably"? So you don't know then. I've met him. He's tiny.

You sick abuser - he is not in any way a midget.

And now...

"I did not claim more pension than I was entitled"

Which has changed to...

"Someone altered the form"

Do you have a cite for that? I have heard him say that a mistake was >>>>>>> made which has now been corrected - nothing about whether it was his >>>>>>> mistake or that of the department.

Of course I've got a cite for that you dick.

Once again, Dickbot is too stupid/lazy/incompetent to use Google.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912314 >>>>>>
'There appeared to have been an alteration to his application form but >>>>>> "no one knows how it was made", he said.'

Since the application form is kept by the department, Peters would
have had no opportunity to alter the form - do you have any evidence >>>>> that he had such an opportunity?

You couldn't make this shit up, but apparently Winston could!

Or perhaps it is you and National that are making this shit up - see >>>>>>> for example:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11912771

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96249118/winston-peters-super-mistake-culprit-unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912784 >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/902265878024151040
and did Peter Dunne know something?:
https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/901716812408119296

The government have denied that they leaked it. So far there's no
evidence that they did - only supposition. Cui bono? Labour for one, not >>>>>> National.

Labour appear to have found out at the same time as it became public - >>>>> but it was right around the National party - did you read the links. >>>>>

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856459/very-odd-peters-payment-info-got-to-anne-tolley-david-seymour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96222746/winston-peters-scandal-and-a-recipe-for-revenge

and ironically:

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/seems-mother-political-scandals-stuck-legal/

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/trotter-onto-regarding-nats-hit-job-peters/
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/tracy-watkins-onto-peters-hit-job/ >>>>>

Note that Eagleson carefully said that he "did not tell English or
others in the office"- leaving out whether he told others _outside_
the office.

So who is your pick for leaking it? - Steven Joyce?, Paula Bennett?, >>>>> Anne Tolley?, Wayne Eagleson?, Judith Collins?

My bet would be somebody with no links to the Labour party Rich. After >>>> all the only party liable to gain any benefit from this is Labour who
are desperate to get their dirty hands on the Treasury benches

There is no evidence against any of them except we have been told that >>>>> they had the information . . .

Nice twist on the Labour good, National bad mantra Richie :)

Pooh

According to Shane Jones, the story was leaked by MSD civil servant Brendan >>> Boyle.

Dickbot's too useless to look that up and will start bleating for a cite so >>> here it is Dickbot:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96340317/shane-jones-takes-aim-at-social-development-boss-writings-on-the-wall

If necessary Dickbot, ask a grownup how to use a mouse to click in the link >>> above.

While it may have been easy for you to click on the link, apaprently
it was much harder for you to actually read the words.
From the article:

"Ministry of Social Development chief executive Brendan Boyle has
confirmed he briefed his minister Anne Tolley that the department had
settled a matter with NZ First leader Winston Peters' on the
overpayment of his pension.

He was not the only official to know or to brief their minister of
Peters' personal superannuation details"

""The Chief Executive discussed whether this matter needed to be
disclosed to his Minister, under the no surprises policy, with the
State Services Commission who provided advice that this should be
disclosed to the Minister of Social Development under the 'no
surprises' policy."

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes sought advice from the
Solicitor General and on that basis, he also briefed his minister
Paula Bennett on the issue. The Prime Minister's chief of staff Wayne
Eagleson was briefed by Tolley, but took the decision not to tell the
Prime Minister.

It's unclear where the leak has come from, but NZ First is pointing
the finger at National while that party is rejecting suggestions it
released Peters' pension information.

Three separate investigations were launched this week, into the source
of a leak to journalists about an error in Peters' pension
application, that resulted in him being overpaid for a number of
years."

"Inland Revenue, the Ministry of Social Development and Ministerial
Services have all launched internal inquiries into the handling of the
information, and State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes said if a
leak in the public service was discovered, it would be met with "zero
tolerance". "

So we have two leaks - first by the public sector to Ministers, and
second to the news media.

Re the first, listen to:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201856602/no-surprises-policy-has-morphed-andrew-geddis
"Winston Peters is vowing that whoever leaked his superannuation
details will be held to account. He says he doesn't think government
officials should have briefed ministers of his situation, especially
before he himself had been told he needed to pay money back.

"This whole 'no surprises' policy has really morphed from being 'give
information where a minister may be accountable, especially in
Parliament' to simply 'tell the Minister anything that might cause the
minister any sort of problems at all' - and that certainly shouldn't
be happening," University of Otago law professor Andrew Geddis tells
Morning Report."

Part of the problem is undoubtedly the bullying stance taken by
National Ministers - they appear not to believe that the law (in this
case Privacy Laws) apply to them, and they do not understand the
importance of poliitical impartiality from the Public service. There
should be another investigation into whether the law has been breached
- Winston Peters and Shane Jones certainly think so, but that should
not stop such an investigation.

Then we have the equally serious breach of privacy in the information
being leaked to news media. This is hardly the soprt of leak which
comes under whistleblower provisions, and it may well be hard to prove
that it was not one of the Ministers or their staff (even given the
careful wording from Eaglesome that he did not tell anyone else in the
PMs office - leaving unstated whether he told someone else . . .) -
and National know that in this case their firm belief that anything is
OK if you dont get caught" may well see 'no-one have to answer for
this illegal act.
My view is than at reasonable

Bollocks, there is no need to prove that it was not one of the ministers or staff, it is necessary for someone to prove that it was - otherwise no case

answer.
Peters is simply doing what he always does, making noises and once more he

be wrong (a habit if his).
Tony