• Re: Labour *love* taxes!

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 23:34:19
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise
    by National of course - can you point to any such broken promise from
    Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than
    high income earners . . .

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 04:30:45
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 00:37:48
    On 22/08/2017 11:34 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838 >>
    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise
    by National of course - can you point to any such broken promise from Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than
    high income earners . . .


    Hey don't be surprised if Labour does increase GST. After all they've
    increased it more than National ever has and they'll be desperate to pay
    for their $18 BILLION of uncosted bumper sticker policy's :) :)

    Pooh

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  • From Mutlley@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 08:38:05
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Add increase to 17.5% GST to Taxinda's new taxes.

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to Mutlley on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 14:40:54
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 8:38:10 AM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to
    government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Add increase to 17.5% GST to Taxinda's new taxes.


    If there's one consistent policy common to every political party and electorate
    it's, "OK, impose taxes if you must, but tax him, not me."

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 15:50:02
    On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 23:34:21 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to
    government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise
    by National of course

    National never promised not to increase GST. That story came out of a question to Key which was would he increase GST to cover the deficit. Given the neutrality of the GST increase/income tax decrease that was borne out.

    - can you point to any such broken promise from
    Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than
    high income earners . . .

    GST hits the poor less than the spendthrift rich - because mortgages and rent are GST free.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326370/labour-party-won't-raise-taxes-little

    Yet a few short months later we have Labour coming up with new or increased fuel tax, water tax, capital gains tax. Given this trajectory you'd be a fool not to expect more - income tax, estate tax, GST you name it.

    LABOUR LOVE TAXES.

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 18:15:50
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:50:03 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 23:34:21 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to
    government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise
    by National of course

    National never promised not to increase GST. That story came out of a
    question to Key which was would he increase GST to cover the deficit. Given the
    neutrality of the GST increase/income tax decrease that was borne out.

    - can you point to any such broken promise from
    Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than
    high income earners . . .

    GST hits the poor less than the spendthrift rich - because mortgages and rent
    are GST free.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326370/labour-party-won't-raise-taxes-little

    Yet a few short months later we have Labour coming up with new or increased
    fuel tax, water tax, capital gains tax. Given this trajectory you'd be a fool not to expect more - income tax, estate tax, GST you name it.

    LABOUR LOVE TAXES.


    But Rich may take some comfort in knowing that, according to Joyce today, with the current state of the books now divulged by Treasury, nothing much can change taxwise until 2020 or thereabouts.

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  • From Mutlley@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 13:50:56
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 23:34:21 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise
    by National of course

    National never promised not to increase GST. That story came out of a question
    to Key which was would he increase GST to cover the deficit. Given the neutrality of the GST increase/income tax decrease that was borne out.

    - can you point to any such broken promise from
    Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than
    high income earners . . .

    GST hits the poor less than the spendthrift rich - because mortgages and rent are GST free.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326370/labour-party-won't-raise-taxes-little

    Yet a few short months later we have Labour coming up with new or increased fuel tax, water tax, capital gains tax. Given this trajectory you'd be a fool not to expect more - income tax, estate tax, GST you name it.

    LABOUR LOVE TAXES.
    Don't forget salt tax, sugar tax, fat tax, carbon tax, mortgage and
    rent tax, internet tax . The list could go on forever.

    However the good news is that we have a reasonable surplus thanx to
    good management of the economy..

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to Mutlley on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 18:45:40
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 8:38:10 AM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to
    government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Add increase to 17.5% GST to Taxinda's new taxes.

    In a 2013 NZ Herald article I have to hand, Sir Bob Jones writes 40 years study
    of the New Zealand economy consistently shows that it gains 'vibrancy' (Jones) under Labour but suffers 'stultification' (Jones) under National. Indeed, today's Treasury
    numbers show that is exactly what has been happening under Key and English.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to jmschri...@gmail.com on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 19:00:46
    On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:15:52 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:50:03 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 23:34:21 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to
    government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise
    by National of course

    National never promised not to increase GST. That story came out of a
    question to Key which was would he increase GST to cover the deficit. Given the
    neutrality of the GST increase/income tax decrease that was borne out.

    - can you point to any such broken promise from
    Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than high income earners . . .

    GST hits the poor less than the spendthrift rich - because mortgages and
    rent are GST free.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326370/labour-party-won't-raise-taxes-little

    Yet a few short months later we have Labour coming up with new or increased
    fuel tax, water tax, capital gains tax. Given this trajectory you'd be a fool not to expect more - income tax, estate tax, GST you name it.

    LABOUR LOVE TAXES.


    But Rich may take some comfort in knowing that, according to Joyce today,
    with the current state of the books now divulged by Treasury, nothing much can change taxwise until 2020 or thereabouts.

    Perhaps - but it increases the likelihood (certainty already?) that Labour would require large tax increase to fund their $19.38 billion in election bribes)

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to jmschri...@gmail.com on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 19:01:54
    On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:45:42 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 8:38:10 AM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to
    government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Add increase to 17.5% GST to Taxinda's new taxes.

    In a 2013 NZ Herald article I have to hand, Sir Bob Jones writes 40 years
    study of the New Zealand economy consistently shows that it gains 'vibrancy' (Jones) under Labour but suffers 'stultification' (Jones) under National. Indeed, today's Treasury
    numbers show that is exactly what has been happening under Key and English.

    That's probably based on the wonderful reforms of the fourth Labour government.

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 21:35:05
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 2:01:55 PM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:45:42 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 8:38:10 AM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to
    government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Add increase to 17.5% GST to Taxinda's new taxes.

    In a 2013 NZ Herald article I have to hand, Sir Bob Jones writes 40 years
    study of the New Zealand economy consistently shows that it gains 'vibrancy' (Jones) under Labour but suffers 'stultification' (Jones) under National. Indeed, today's Treasury
    numbers show that is exactly what has been happening under Key and English.

    That's probably based on the wonderful reforms of the fourth Labour
    government.

    Could be, but Jones also says that stultification brings opportunities in the commercial property racket.

    It's an ill wind that blows no one any good.

    But I would add that vibrancy evokes notions of imagination and inspiration, both of which are the quintessentials of open-mindedness and progress; whereas stultification evokes little but intellectual lassitude and complacency both of
    which bring apathy,
    indolence and, ultimately, decadence.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, August 24, 2017 01:52:31
    On 23/08/2017 2:00 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:15:52 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:50:03 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 23:34:21 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise
    by National of course

    National never promised not to increase GST. That story came out of a question to Key which was would he increase GST to cover the deficit. Given the
    neutrality of the GST increase/income tax decrease that was borne out.

    - can you point to any such broken promise from
    Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than
    high income earners . . .

    GST hits the poor less than the spendthrift rich - because mortgages and rent are GST free.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326370/labour-party-won't-raise-taxes-little

    Yet a few short months later we have Labour coming up with new or increased
    fuel tax, water tax, capital gains tax. Given this trajectory you'd be a fool not to expect more - income tax, estate tax, GST you name it.

    LABOUR LOVE TAXES.


    But Rich may take some comfort in knowing that, according to Joyce today, with the current state of the books now divulged by Treasury, nothing much can change taxwise until 2020 or thereabouts.

    Perhaps - but it increases the likelihood (certainty already?) that Labour
    would require large tax increase to fund their $19.38 billion in election bribes)


    With the promise of rapid rail for Hamilton/Tauranga that's more like
    $36 billion at least JohnO!

    Pooh

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to Pooh on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 17:21:19
    On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 1:50:02 AM UTC+12, Pooh wrote:
    On 23/08/2017 2:00 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:15:52 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:50:03 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 23:34:21 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected
    to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise >>>> by National of course

    National never promised not to increase GST. That story came out of a
    question to Key which was would he increase GST to cover the deficit. Given the
    neutrality of the GST increase/income tax decrease that was borne out.

    - can you point to any such broken promise from
    Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than >>>> high income earners . . .

    GST hits the poor less than the spendthrift rich - because mortgages and
    rent are GST free.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326370/labour-party-won't-raise-taxes-little

    Yet a few short months later we have Labour coming up with new or
    increased fuel tax, water tax, capital gains tax. Given this trajectory you'd be a fool not to expect more - income tax, estate tax, GST you name it.

    LABOUR LOVE TAXES.


    But Rich may take some comfort in knowing that, according to Joyce today,
    with the current state of the books now divulged by Treasury, nothing much can change taxwise until 2020 or thereabouts.

    Perhaps - but it increases the likelihood (certainty already?) that Labour
    would require large tax increase to fund their $19.38 billion in election bribes)


    With the promise of rapid rail for Hamilton/Tauranga that's more like
    $36 billion at least JohnO!

    Pooh


    With interest rates as low as they now are, borrowing the required loot will be
    a breeze.

    Then, simply impose a High Speed Rail levy on owners/occupiers of all new Auckland/Tauranga/Hamilton housing built since, say, 2012, just like the levy imposed on you for the construction of the occasional sport and regular booze-fest cake tin in
    Wellington. This levy even decreases according to distance from residence to cake tin. This arrangement, by the way, has turned out so successful that the entire loan will be paid off by next year.

    In case you don't already know, this kind of caper is called "User pays."

    But best of all, along with WFF - the scam that keeps thousands of hopelessly inefficient, under-capitalised, family-trust employers in booze - such smart thinking also helps to perpetuate the country's grindingly low per-capita real productivity which
    in turn marks it as one of the world's strongest and most envied economies.

    Now, with such an exemplary model as Wellington, who wouldn't vote for that, eh?

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Friday, August 25, 2017 09:19:40
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 22/08/2017 11:34 PM, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838 >>
    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's
    unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise
    by National of course - can you point to any such broken promise from Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than
    high income earners . . .


    I see your new messiah has already been renamed Taxinda. How appropriate.

    bnVsbA==

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to jmschristophers@gmail.com on Friday, August 25, 2017 13:50:55
    On 24/08/2017 12:21 p.m., jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 1:50:02 AM UTC+12, Pooh wrote:
    On 23/08/2017 2:00 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:15:52 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:50:03 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 23:34:21 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:30:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11908838

    OK, so we can take it as read that they'll introduce a CGT if elected to government. They've always wanted to, and only dropped it last time due to it's unpopularity.

    I wouldn't trust the pricks as far as I could throw them.

    Do you think they would increase GST again? That was a broken promise >>>>>> by National of course

    National never promised not to increase GST. That story came out of a question to Key which was would he increase GST to cover the deficit. Given the
    neutrality of the GST increase/income tax decrease that was borne out.

    - can you point to any such broken promise from
    Labour? But then National just love txes that hit the poor more than >>>>>> high income earners . . .

    GST hits the poor less than the spendthrift rich - because mortgages and rent are GST free.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326370/labour-party-won't-raise-taxes-little

    Yet a few short months later we have Labour coming up with new or increased fuel tax, water tax, capital gains tax. Given this trajectory you'd be a fool not to expect more - income tax, estate tax, GST you name it.

    LABOUR LOVE TAXES.


    But Rich may take some comfort in knowing that, according to Joyce today, with the current state of the books now divulged by Treasury, nothing much can change taxwise until 2020 or thereabouts.

    Perhaps - but it increases the likelihood (certainty already?) that Labour would require large tax increase to fund their $19.38 billion in election bribes)


    With the promise of rapid rail for Hamilton/Tauranga that's more like
    $36 billion at least JohnO!

    Pooh


    With interest rates as low as they now are, borrowing the required loot will
    be a breeze.

    Then, simply impose a High Speed Rail levy on owners/occupiers of all new
    Auckland/Tauranga/Hamilton housing built since, say, 2012, just like the levy imposed on you for the construction of the occasional sport and regular booze-fest cake tin in
    Wellington. This levy even decreases according to distance from residence to cake tin. This arrangement, by the way, has turned out so successful that the entire loan will be paid off by next year.

    In case you don't already know, this kind of caper is called "User pays."

    But best of all, along with WFF - the scam that keeps thousands of hopelessly
    inefficient, under-capitalised, family-trust employers in booze - such smart thinking also helps to perpetuate the country's grindingly low per-capita real productivity
    which in turn marks it as one of the world's strongest and most envied economies.

    Now, with such an exemplary model as Wellington, who wouldn't vote for that,
    eh?


    We'll be paying for the privilege of these rail links forever Keith.
    They'll NEVER be self sufficient!

    Pooh

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