Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Metiria Turei - written by Garry Moore ex mayor of Christchurch
I have found the bulk of the coverage of Metiria Turei�s comments
about her life, when she received a benefit, quite offensive.

I had never been near MSD, until I had to apply for my pension. I had
to get an MSD number. I had never received a benefit in my life, so, I >>didn�t fit into their system. So, MSD did not refer me to their office
in our Street. Instead, they referred me to the Papanui office. In my
case that didn�t matter; but if I didn�t have a car it would have
involved 2 bus journeys. With small children in tow that would have
been much more difficult than it was for me.

When I arrived, I was greeted by two women guards, both visibly older
than myself, who gave indifference a whole new meaning. I guess I
would act this way if I was on the minimum wage as well. I had had one
too many cups of tea before I left home; so I asked where the toilet
was. One of the �guards� said they didn�t have one. When I politely
pointed out that it was probably incorrect, as it was a requirement
for all buildings to have a toilet, I was then told that there was
one. However, it was up a floor. As I headed toward the lift I was
told that I could not go unaccompanied. So, I was accompanied to the
toilet door by the �guard�. I can�t remember when my mother stopped >>supervising my peeing. It was quite early on, I think.

I sat waiting to be seen, amongst people who were there when I
arrived. They were still there when I left. I couldn�t help wondering
if I had been treated better than others. I wasn�t brown; and I wasn�t >>sick. I hadn�t shown a lack of personal restraint, and had a child. I >>hadn�t had the life beaten out of me and was desperate for funds to
feed and house my kids, whilst living somewhere I couldn�t be found. I
was just white, male and with a profile.

What happens to people when they get into positions of power, at
agencies like MSD, over the powerless? If you want to see what happens
to those who are applying for the assistance they are entitled to,
watch the film �I, Daniel Blake�. While you are watching the film just >>observe those who follow the rules; and those who show compassion.
Wasn�t it Eichmann who argued at the Nuremburg Trials that he was
�just following orders�. Well they hung him.

So, when a young mother struggling to cope with life, and a child,
travels across town for an 8.30 appointment at MSD and sits with her
baby in a waiting room until somebody sees her at 10 15. Then, go
ahead, judge her. When MSD stops paying her a benefit she is entitled
to and then will not backdate it. Then judge her again. When MSD
�rules� wring out any compassion intended by politicians when they
pass legislation and empowering financial allocations; judge them. Not
the beneficiary. When a beneficiary gets a few hours pay and pockets
it, think about Bill English claiming a housing allowance of $32,000;
until he was caught.

Put yourself in the shoes of a woman who has just left a violent >>relationship. She fears for her life. She fears for her children and
their future. Then she enters through the door of a public
institution, which is supposedly there to make her transition to a
safe life easier, and she finds the exact opposite. Too often she will
be met by those �just keeping the rules�. If she is lucky she will
find one of the many compassionate ones working for MSD. Often, she
won�t. As I listened to the braying mob (give us Barabbas) being given
full air time by the media I wondered to myself how far we really have >>progressed as a society. I wonder how many of those who sit in
judgement have paid cash to a tradie to get a cheaper job. Or not
declared some income. Or is it different for them.

So, I say, instead of judging Metiria Turei, thank her for just
telling us how it really is for those who live in struggle street.
Thank her for being brave. Thank her for turning the other cheek as
others belittle her and shout about how dishonest she is.
It really is an excellent time for those sitting in judgement to be >>reminded of the quote in the New Testament �Let he who is without sin, >>caste the first stone�. It is time for our society to look critically
at how those who live impoverished lives are treated by the very
agency set up by our society to assist them. Maybe those in DSW need
to look seriously in a mirror and sit in judgement on themselves,
instead of those across the table from them.

Thanks, Metiria. Kia Kaha.

Ah then it is OK to lie to government departments and steal from tax payers is >it?

And it is OK to try to make political capital out of theft is it?

And it is OK to drag your kids into politics like she did is it?

Bullshit.
Good riddance.
I know that politicians stretch the truth (all parties) but this was too far. >Good riddance.
I sleep well at night knowing I have always paid my taxes and never stolen so >she can go and find a rel job!

Tony

On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:31:01 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Metiria Turei - written by Garry Moore ex mayor of Christchurch
I have found the bulk of the coverage of Metiria Turei�s comments
about her life, when she received a benefit, quite offensive.

I had never been near MSD, until I had to apply for my pension. I had
to get an MSD number. I had never received a benefit in my life, so, I
didn�t fit into their system. So, MSD did not refer me to their office
in our Street. Instead, they referred me to the Papanui office. In my
case that didn�t matter; but if I didn�t have a car it would have
involved 2 bus journeys. With small children in tow that would have
been much more difficult than it was for me.

When I arrived, I was greeted by two women guards, both visibly older
than myself, who gave indifference a whole new meaning. I guess I
would act this way if I was on the minimum wage as well. I had had one
too many cups of tea before I left home; so I asked where the toilet
was. One of the �guards� said they didn�t have one. When I politely
pointed out that it was probably incorrect, as it was a requirement
for all buildings to have a toilet, I was then told that there was
one. However, it was up a floor. As I headed toward the lift I was
told that I could not go unaccompanied. So, I was accompanied to the
toilet door by the �guard�. I can�t remember when my mother stopped
supervising my peeing. It was quite early on, I think.

I sat waiting to be seen, amongst people who were there when I
arrived. They were still there when I left. I couldn�t help wondering
if I had been treated better than others. I wasn�t brown; and I wasn�t
sick. I hadn�t shown a lack of personal restraint, and had a child. I
hadn�t had the life beaten out of me and was desperate for funds to
feed and house my kids, whilst living somewhere I couldn�t be found. I
was just white, male and with a profile.

What happens to people when they get into positions of power, at
agencies like MSD, over the powerless? If you want to see what happens
to those who are applying for the assistance they are entitled to,
watch the film �I, Daniel Blake�. While you are watching the film just
observe those who follow the rules; and those who show compassion.
Wasn�t it Eichmann who argued at the Nuremburg Trials that he was
�just following orders�. Well they hung him.

So, when a young mother struggling to cope with life, and a child,
travels across town for an 8.30 appointment at MSD and sits with her
baby in a waiting room until somebody sees her at 10 15. Then, go
ahead, judge her. When MSD stops paying her a benefit she is entitled
to and then will not backdate it. Then judge her again. When MSD
�rules� wring out any compassion intended by politicians when they
pass legislation and empowering financial allocations; judge them. Not
the beneficiary. When a beneficiary gets a few hours pay and pockets
it, think about Bill English claiming a housing allowance of $32,000;
until he was caught.

Put yourself in the shoes of a woman who has just left a violent
relationship. She fears for her life. She fears for her children and
their future. Then she enters through the door of a public
institution, which is supposedly there to make her transition to a
safe life easier, and she finds the exact opposite. Too often she will
be met by those �just keeping the rules�. If she is lucky she will
find one of the many compassionate ones working for MSD. Often, she
won�t. As I listened to the braying mob (give us Barabbas) being given
full air time by the media I wondered to myself how far we really have
progressed as a society. I wonder how many of those who sit in
judgement have paid cash to a tradie to get a cheaper job. Or not
declared some income. Or is it different for them.

So, I say, instead of judging Metiria Turei, thank her for just
telling us how it really is for those who live in struggle street.
Thank her for being brave. Thank her for turning the other cheek as
others belittle her and shout about how dishonest she is.
It really is an excellent time for those sitting in judgement to be
reminded of the quote in the New Testament �Let he who is without sin,
caste the first stone�. It is time for our society to look critically
at how those who live impoverished lives are treated by the very
agency set up by our society to assist them. Maybe those in DSW need
to look seriously in a mirror and sit in judgement on themselves,
instead of those across the table from them.

Thanks, Metiria. Kia Kaha.

Ah then it is OK to lie to government departments and steal from tax payers is
it?

Who is saying that it is?

And it is OK to try to make political capital out of theft is it?

Not much political above, but hasn't National wheeled out Miss Laure
Norder at practically every election for the last 50 years? Making
political capital out of crime is what has resulted in the current
government leading us to record levels of incarceration per head of population. Are you trying to justify that or condemn it?

And it is OK to drag your kids into politics like she did is it?

Dragging family into politics was done by the media - and led to the resignation of a politician - the article is trying to cause anyone
with any empathy to reflect on the nature of the witch hunt - that can
be done without condoning any crime . . . but that message may well go
over the heads of irredeemable red-necks.

Bullshit.
Good riddance.
I know that politicians stretch the truth (all parties) but this was too far.
Good riddance.
I sleep well at night knowing I have always paid my taxes and never stolen so
she can go and find a rel job!

Well I'm glad to hear that - after all this story was as I am sure you
are aware directed solely at you - self-absobtion as a hobby does have
a few pitfalls though Tony; were you aware that just sometimes other
people have problems that you have never faced? Let he who is without
sin . . . .

Tony

Are you really Aaron Gilmore?

On Monday, 21 August 2017 15:00:43 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

Metiria Turei - written by Garry Moore ex mayor of Christchurch
I have found the bulk of the coverage of Metiria Turei’s comments
about her life, when she received a benefit, quite offensive.

I had never been near MSD, until I had to apply for my pension. I had
to get an MSD number. I had never received a benefit in my life, so, I
didn’t fit into their system. So, MSD did not refer me to their office
in our Street. Instead, they referred me to the Papanui office. In my
case that didn’t matter; but if I didn’t have a car it would have
involved 2 bus journeys. With small children in tow that would have
been much more difficult than it was for me.

When I arrived, I was greeted by two women guards, both visibly older
than myself, who gave indifference a whole new meaning. I guess I
would act this way if I was on the minimum wage as well. I had had one
too many cups of tea before I left home; so I asked where the toilet
was. One of the “guards” said they didn’t have one. When I politely
pointed out that it was probably incorrect, as it was a requirement
for all buildings to have a toilet, I was then told that there was
one. However, it was up a floor. As I headed toward the lift I was
told that I could not go unaccompanied. So, I was accompanied to the
toilet door by the “guard”. I can’t remember when my mother stopped
supervising my peeing. It was quite early on, I think.

I sat waiting to be seen, amongst people who were there when I
arrived. They were still there when I left. I couldn’t help wondering
if I had been treated better than others. I wasn’t brown; and I wasn’t >> sick. I hadn’t shown a lack of personal restraint, and had a child. I
hadn’t had the life beaten out of me and was desperate for funds to
feed and house my kids, whilst living somewhere I couldn’t be found. I
was just white, male and with a profile.

What happens to people when they get into positions of power, at
agencies like MSD, over the powerless? If you want to see what happens
to those who are applying for the assistance they are entitled to,
watch the film “I, Daniel Blake”. While you are watching the film just >> observe those who follow the rules; and those who show compassion.
Wasn’t it Eichmann who argued at the Nuremburg Trials that he was
“just following orders”. Well they hung him.

So, when a young mother struggling to cope with life, and a child,
travels across town for an 8.30 appointment at MSD and sits with her
baby in a waiting room until somebody sees her at 10 15. Then, go
ahead, judge her. When MSD stops paying her a benefit she is entitled
to and then will not backdate it. Then judge her again. When MSD
“rules” wring out any compassion intended by politicians when they
pass legislation and empowering financial allocations; judge them. Not
the beneficiary. When a beneficiary gets a few hours pay and pockets
it, think about Bill English claiming a housing allowance of $32,000;
until he was caught.

Put yourself in the shoes of a woman who has just left a violent
relationship. She fears for her life. She fears for her children and
their future. Then she enters through the door of a public
institution, which is supposedly there to make her transition to a
safe life easier, and she finds the exact opposite. Too often she will
be met by those “just keeping the rules”. If she is lucky she will
find one of the many compassionate ones working for MSD. Often, she
won’t. As I listened to the braying mob (give us Barabbas) being given
full air time by the media I wondered to myself how far we really have
progressed as a society. I wonder how many of those who sit in
judgement have paid cash to a tradie to get a cheaper job. Or not
declared some income. Or is it different for them.

So, I say, instead of judging Metiria Turei, thank her for just
telling us how it really is for those who live in struggle street.
Thank her for being brave. Thank her for turning the other cheek as
others belittle her and shout about how dishonest she is.
It really is an excellent time for those sitting in judgement to be
reminded of the quote in the New Testament “Let he who is without sin,
caste the first stone”. It is time for our society to look critically
at how those who live impoverished lives are treated by the very
agency set up by our society to assist them. Maybe those in DSW need
to look seriously in a mirror and sit in judgement on themselves,
instead of those across the table from them.

Thanks, Metiria. Kia Kaha.

Still hugging a corpse eh Dickbot?

Turei lied, and continues to think it's ok to lie to increase your benefit

In short, Turei is a greedy despicable liar. Her party, less a couple middle

On 8/21/2017 4:11 PM, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 21 August 2017 15:00:43 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

Metiria Turei - written by Garry Moore ex mayor of Christchurch
I have found the bulk of the coverage of Metiria Turei’s comments
about her life, when she received a benefit, quite offensive.

I had never been near MSD, until I had to apply for my pension. I had
to get an MSD number. I had never received a benefit in my life, so, I
didn’t fit into their system. So, MSD did not refer me to their office >> in our Street. Instead, they referred me to the Papanui office. In my
case that didn’t matter; but if I didn’t have a car it would have
involved 2 bus journeys. With small children in tow that would have
been much more difficult than it was for me.

When I arrived, I was greeted by two women guards, both visibly older
than myself, who gave indifference a whole new meaning. I guess I
would act this way if I was on the minimum wage as well. I had had one
too many cups of tea before I left home; so I asked where the toilet
was. One of the “guards” said they didn’t have one. When I politely >> pointed out that it was probably incorrect, as it was a requirement
for all buildings to have a toilet, I was then told that there was
one. However, it was up a floor. As I headed toward the lift I was
told that I could not go unaccompanied. So, I was accompanied to the
toilet door by the “guard”. I can’t remember when my mother stopped >> supervising my peeing. It was quite early on, I think.

I sat waiting to be seen, amongst people who were there when I
arrived. They were still there when I left. I couldn’t help wondering
if I had been treated better than others. I wasn’t brown; and I wasn’t >> sick. I hadn’t shown a lack of personal restraint, and had a child. I
hadn’t had the life beaten out of me and was desperate for funds to
feed and house my kids, whilst living somewhere I couldn’t be found. I >> was just white, male and with a profile.

What happens to people when they get into positions of power, at
agencies like MSD, over the powerless? If you want to see what happens
to those who are applying for the assistance they are entitled to,
watch the film “I, Daniel Blake”. While you are watching the film just >> observe those who follow the rules; and those who show compassion.
Wasn’t it Eichmann who argued at the Nuremburg Trials that he was
“just following orders”. Well they hung him.

So, when a young mother struggling to cope with life, and a child,
travels across town for an 8.30 appointment at MSD and sits with her
baby in a waiting room until somebody sees her at 10 15. Then, go
ahead, judge her. When MSD stops paying her a benefit she is entitled
to and then will not backdate it. Then judge her again. When MSD
“rules” wring out any compassion intended by politicians when they
pass legislation and empowering financial allocations; judge them. Not
the beneficiary. When a beneficiary gets a few hours pay and pockets
it, think about Bill English claiming a housing allowance of $32,000;
until he was caught.

Put yourself in the shoes of a woman who has just left a violent
relationship. She fears for her life. She fears for her children and
their future. Then she enters through the door of a public
institution, which is supposedly there to make her transition to a
safe life easier, and she finds the exact opposite. Too often she will
be met by those “just keeping the rules”. If she is lucky she will
find one of the many compassionate ones working for MSD. Often, she
won’t. As I listened to the braying mob (give us Barabbas) being given >> full air time by the media I wondered to myself how far we really have
progressed as a society. I wonder how many of those who sit in
judgement have paid cash to a tradie to get a cheaper job. Or not
declared some income. Or is it different for them.

So, I say, instead of judging Metiria Turei, thank her for just
telling us how it really is for those who live in struggle street.
Thank her for being brave. Thank her for turning the other cheek as
others belittle her and shout about how dishonest she is.
It really is an excellent time for those sitting in judgement to be
reminded of the quote in the New Testament “Let he who is without sin, >> caste the first stone”. It is time for our society to look critically
at how those who live impoverished lives are treated by the very
agency set up by our society to assist them. Maybe those in DSW need
to look seriously in a mirror and sit in judgement on themselves,
instead of those across the table from them.

Thanks, Metiria. Kia Kaha.

Still hugging a corpse eh Dickbot?

Turei lied, and continues to think it's ok to lie to increase your benefit

In short, Turei is a greedy despicable liar. Her party, less a couple

I know a lot of people who for one reason or another were on the dole.
They didn't lie or cheat but got on with what they had.
Turei is a user.
And thought she could use the position she held to evoke

sympathy for
her political party.
Didn't work.
Now to get rid of the rest of them

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