On Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21:50 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:10:21 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >>>

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO

<johno1234@gmail.com>

wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> <snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate is

not

only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the

UN

to
tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political issue >> >>>>>>>>>just
shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is.

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the sound

link
from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how to

use
Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . .

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the first >> >>>>>place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the
other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I suspect >> >>>you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments"
referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November 2008. >> >>>So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that Devoy
did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is not
only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the
UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a
reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being called
for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove me
wrong . . .

No you imbecile, you have to prove you are right. You cannot so you lied,

or

if
you prefer "you made it up" - I prefer you lied. Clearly the case.
There is no basis whatsoever for the stupid assumption you made. It was

not

reasonable. A lie - once more. Desperation once more.

This has to be some of the most feeble rationalisation I've ever seen from >Dickbot - and that's saying something. The guy just makes shit up and then >either runs away, diverts or makes more shit up to hide the >other shit.

I can accept that politically active people stretch the truth; what I find repugnant about Rich is that he cares not one jot about real people, and

tries

to hide that with lies and abuse! He is in love with some imaginary political

utopia that will never exist!

Well there's bound to be self-interest hidden beneath. In every socialist dystopia the party elite live like royalty.

You can be quite sure that Maduro and his inner circle in Caracas won't be going short of toilet paper while the rest of the population wipe their arses with newspaper. And it's quite obvious that Kim Jong Un and his generals in Pyongyang are well fed
while the rural peasants starve. Such is the way of real world socialism.

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to listen >> >>>and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at you >> >>>>>because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from

others

but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now, do

you?

Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will post

the
reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the mentally >> >>>>>impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get back

to

actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21:50 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:10:21 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> >> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >> >>>

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> <snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate is not
only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the

UN

to
tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political issue >> >> >>>>>>>>>just
shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is.

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the sound
link
from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how to
use
Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . .

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the first >> >> >>>>>place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the
other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I suspect >> >> >>>you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments"
referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November 2008. >> >> >>>So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that Devoy >> >> >did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is not
only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the
UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a
reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being called >> >> >for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove me
wrong . . .

No you imbecile, you have to prove you are right. You cannot so you lied,

or

if
you prefer "you made it up" - I prefer you lied. Clearly the case.
There is no basis whatsoever for the stupid assumption you made. It was not
reasonable. A lie - once more. Desperation once more.

If there is no basis for the assumption that the "successive governments"refered to by Devoy refers to the last 2 or three
governments, then you would be able to show evidence that the
investigation was being called for prior to Novemmber 2008. But you
can;t - you are making the opposite assumption that I have made, and
demonding that I prove you a liar. I can do that no more than you can
prove me a liar - unless of course you can find a reference to the
investgation being called for from a government prior to November
2008.

I prefer to think of both of us having made assumptions - with my view
being that Devoy was clearly talking about at least the current
government; it is just a question as to whether she was asserting some culpability to the government before November 2008. Without evidence,
you are just as much a liar as I am - how do you feel about that?

This has to be some of the most feeble rationalisation I've ever seen from >> >Dickbot - and that's saying something. The guy just makes shit up and then >> >either runs away, diverts or makes more shit up to hide the >other shit.

I can accept that politically active people stretch the truth; what I find >> repugnant about Rich is that he cares not one jot about real people, and tries
to hide that with lies and abuse! He is in love with some imaginary political
utopia that will never exist!

Well there's bound to be self-interest hidden beneath. In every socialist dystopia the party elite live like royalty.

You can be quite sure that Maduro and his inner circle in Caracas won't be going short of toilet paper while the rest of the population wipe their arses with newspaper. And it's quite obvious that Kim Jong Un and his generals in Pyongyang are well fed

while the rural peasants starve. Such is the way of real world socialism.

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to listen >> >> >>>and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at you >> >> >>>>>because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from others
but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now, do
you?

Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will post
the
reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the mentally >> >> >>>>>impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get back to
actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

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On Friday, 18 August 2017 15:25:16 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21:50 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:10:21 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >> >> >dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>

wrote:

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO

<johno1234@gmail.com>

wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO

<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105

wrote:

<snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate

is not

only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged

the UN

to
tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political

issue

just
shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is.

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the

sound

link
from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how

to

use
Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . .

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the

first

place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the >> >> >>>other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I

suspect

you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments" >> >> >>>referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November

2008.

So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that Devoy >> >> >did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is not >> >> >only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the >> >> >UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a
reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being called >> >> >for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove me >> >> >wrong . . .

No you imbecile, you have to prove you are right. You cannot so you

lied, or

if
you prefer "you made it up" - I prefer you lied. Clearly the case.
There is no basis whatsoever for the stupid assumption you made. It was

not

reasonable. A lie - once more. Desperation once more.

If there is no basis for the assumption that the "successive governments"refered to by Devoy refers to the last 2 or three
governments, then you would be able to show evidence that the
investigation was being called for prior to Novemmber 2008. But you
can;t - you are making the opposite assumption that I have made, and demonding that I prove you a liar. I can do that no more than you can
prove me a liar - unless of course you can find a reference to the investgation being called for from a government prior to November
2008.

I've seen better logic from my cat. Just because something is historical doesn't mean it can't fall within the scope of an investigation.

Stop wasting my time trying to fit ever more angels on the head of a pin.

I prefer to think of both of us having made assumptions - with my view
being that Devoy was clearly talking about at least the current
government;

Successive governments mean different. The three terms of National are one government. Stop being a dick trying to argue that black is white.

it is just a question as to whether she was asserting some
culpability to the government before November 2008. Without evidence,
you are just as much a liar as I am - how do you feel about that?

You have nothing to the contrary other than meaningless drivel that you make up
out of your tiny diseased little mind.

This has to be some of the most feeble rationalisation I've ever seen

from

Dickbot - and that's saying something. The guy just makes shit up and

then

either runs away, diverts or makes more shit up to hide the >other shit. >> I can accept that politically active people stretch the truth; what I find

repugnant about Rich is that he cares not one jot about real people, and

tries

to hide that with lies and abuse! He is in love with some imaginary

political

utopia that will never exist!

Well there's bound to be self-interest hidden beneath. In every socialist

dystopia the party elite live like royalty.

You can be quite sure that Maduro and his inner circle in Caracas won't be

going short of toilet paper while the rest of the population wipe their arses with newspaper. And it's quite obvious that Kim Jong Un and his generals in Pyongyang are well fed
while the rural peasants starve. Such is the way of real world socialism.

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to

listen

and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at

you

because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from

others

but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now,

do

you?

Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will

post

the
reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the

mentally

impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get

back to

actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

---
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software.

https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:56:16 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 15:25:16 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21:50 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> >> JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:10:21 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >> >> >> >dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>

wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO

<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
<snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate is not
only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the UN
to
tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political issue
just
shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is.

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the sound
link
from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how to
use
Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . .

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the first
place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the >> >> >> >>>other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I suspect
you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments" >> >> >> >>>referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November 2008.
So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that Devoy
did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is not >> >> >> >only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the >> >> >> >UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a
reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being called
for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove me >> >> >> >wrong . . .

No you imbecile, you have to prove you are right. You cannot so you lied, or
if
you prefer "you made it up" - I prefer you lied. Clearly the case.
There is no basis whatsoever for the stupid assumption you made. It was not
reasonable. A lie - once more. Desperation once more.

If there is no basis for the assumption that the "successive
governments"refered to by Devoy refers to the last 2 or three
governments, then you would be able to show evidence that the
investigation was being called for prior to Novemmber 2008. But you
can;t - you are making the opposite assumption that I have made, and
demonding that I prove you a liar. I can do that no more than you can
prove me a liar - unless of course you can find a reference to the
investgation being called for from a government prior to November
2008.

I've seen better logic from my cat. Just because something is historical doesn't mean it can't fall within the scope of an investigation.

Stop wasting my time trying to fit ever more angels on the head of a pin.

I prefer to think of both of us having made assumptions - with my view
being that Devoy was clearly talking about at least the current
government;

Successive governments mean different. The three terms of National are one government. Stop being a dick trying to argue that black is white.

We are currently in the 51st term of Parliament of New Zealand -
commony referred to as the 51st government. The three parliaments led
by Labour were the 46th to 48th.

Can you show that there was any call before the 2008 election for an
inquiry into historic abuse in state care?

Just a reminder about what this thread is really about: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/337274/devoy-asks-un-to-take-action-on-nz-state-care-abuse

After a fairly rocky start, Susan Devoy has developed into a competent
assessor of government actions relating to race relations -

" . . . .She said if the government did not hold an inquiry into
historical abuse in state care, it would fail in its duty under the
Treaty of Waitangi.

Dame Susan told Morning Report that she considered it her duty to
raise uncomfortable issues before the UN.

"My responsibility as Race Relations Commissioner is to be the
watchdog, to hold the government to account, and to put the view - in
many cases, an opposing view - of how well we are, or aren't, doing.

"I wouldn't be doing my job if I hadn't raised the issue of historic
state abuse."

She hoped her speech in Geneva might help put pressure on the
government to finally take some action, she said.

"This is the right thing to do, and if I can't raise it at the home of
human rights - I really hope that the government will finally do the
right thing."


All your arguing about the edges doesn't change the fact that the last
three terms of government have had National leading and for at least
three years there have been calls for an inquiry, which Susan Devoy
believes the government should have heeded.

Do you support the lack of response by National? Lying won't make
that call go away, and won't change the reality that it's hard to get
National to do what is right.

it is just a question as to whether she was asserting some
culpability to the government before November 2008. Without evidence,
you are just as much a liar as I am - how do you feel about that?

You have nothing to the contrary other than meaningless drivel that you make up out of your tiny diseased little mind.

This has to be some of the most feeble rationalisation I've ever seen from
Dickbot - and that's saying something. The guy just makes shit up and then
either runs away, diverts or makes more shit up to hide the >other shit. >> >> I can accept that politically active people stretch the truth; what I find

repugnant about Rich is that he cares not one jot about real people, and tries
to hide that with lies and abuse! He is in love with some imaginary political
utopia that will never exist!

Well there's bound to be self-interest hidden beneath. In every socialist dystopia the party elite live like royalty.

You can be quite sure that Maduro and his inner circle in Caracas won't be going short of toilet paper while the rest of the population wipe their arses with newspaper. And it's quite obvious that Kim Jong Un and his generals in Pyongyang are well

fed while the rural peasants starve. Such is the way of real world socialism. >> >

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to listen
and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at you
because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from

others

but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now, do
you?

Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will post
the
reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the mentally
impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get back to
actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

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On 18/08/2017 1:01 p.m., JohnO wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:10:21 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>

wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> <snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate is not >>>>>>>>>>> only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the UN

to

tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political issue just >>>>>>>>>>> shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is. >>>>>>>>>>

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the sound link
from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how to use
Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . .

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the first place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the
other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I suspect >>>>> you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments"
referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November 2008. >>>>> So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that Devoy
did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is not
only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the
UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a
reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being called
for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove me
wrong . . .

No you imbecile, you have to prove you are right. You cannot so you lied, or

if

you prefer "you made it up" - I prefer you lied. Clearly the case.
There is no basis whatsoever for the stupid assumption you made. It was not >> reasonable. A lie - once more. Desperation once more.

This has to be some of the most feeble rationalisation I've ever seen from

Dickbot - and that's saying something. The guy just makes shit up and then either runs away, diverts or makes more shit up to hide the other shit.

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to listen >>>>> and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at you >>>>>>> because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from others >>>>>>>> but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now, do you?

Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will post the
reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the mentally >>>>>>> impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get back to >>>>>> actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

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Tony

Tony

Or just keeps repeating the same discredited lie till everyone gives up
in disgust at his twisted attitude to life.

Pooh

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On 18/08/2017 3:25 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21:50 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >>> JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:10:21 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >>>>> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>> dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>

wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO

<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate is not
only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the

UN

to
tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the sound >>>>>>>>>>>>> link
from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how to >>>>>>>>>>>> use
Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . . >>>>>>>>>>

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the first >>>>>>>>>> place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I suspect >>>>>>>> you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments" >>>>>>>> referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November 2008. >>>>>>>> So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that Devoy >>>>>> did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is not >>>>>> only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the >>>>>> UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a
reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being called >>>>>> for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove me >>>>>> wrong . . .

No you imbecile, you have to prove you are right. You cannot so you lied,

or

if
you prefer "you made it up" - I prefer you lied. Clearly the case.
There is no basis whatsoever for the stupid assumption you made. It was not
reasonable. A lie - once more. Desperation once more.

If there is no basis for the assumption that the "successive governments"refered to by Devoy refers to the last 2 or three
governments, then you would be able to show evidence that the
investigation was being called for prior to Novemmber 2008. But you
can;t - you are making the opposite assumption that I have made, and demonding that I prove you a liar. I can do that no more than you can
prove me a liar - unless of course you can find a reference to the investgation being called for from a government prior to November
2008.

I prefer to think of both of us having made assumptions - with my view
being that Devoy was clearly talking about at least the current
government; it is just a question as to whether she was asserting some culpability to the government before November 2008. Without evidence,
you are just as much a liar as I am - how do you feel about that?

This has to be some of the most feeble rationalisation I've ever seen from >>>> Dickbot - and that's saying something. The guy just makes shit up and then >>>> either runs away, diverts or makes more shit up to hide the >other shit. >>> I can accept that politically active people stretch the truth; what I find >>> repugnant about Rich is that he cares not one jot about real people, and tries

to hide that with lies and abuse! He is in love with some imaginary political
utopia that will never exist!

Well there's bound to be self-interest hidden beneath. In every socialist dystopia the party elite live like royalty.

You can be quite sure that Maduro and his inner circle in Caracas won't be going short of toilet paper while the rest of the population wipe their arses with newspaper. And it's quite obvious that Kim Jong Un and his generals in Pyongyang are well fed

while the rural peasants starve. Such is the way of real world socialism.

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to listen >>>>>>>> and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at you >>>>>>>>>> because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from others
but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now, do >>>>>>>>>> you?

Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will post >>>>>>>>>> the
reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the mentally >>>>>>>>>> impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get back to
actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

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Tony

Tony

The last three successive governments were National (9 years), Labour (9
years) and National before that. But guess as usual Rich will be
incapable of comprehending this truth exactly as he always fails to
comprehend almost everything that happens in the world.

Pooh

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On 18/08/2017 11:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:56:16 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 15:25:16 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21:50 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >>>>> JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:10:21 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>>> dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>

wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO

<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate is

not

only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the UN
to
tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the sound
link
from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how to
use
Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the first
place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the >>>>>>>>>> other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I suspect
you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments" >>>>>>>>>> referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three >>>>>>>>>> National-led governments - this was not an issue before November 2008.
So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that Devoy >>>>>>>> did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is not >>>>>>>> only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the >>>>>>>> UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a >>>>>>>> reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being called >>>>>>>> for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove me >>>>>>>> wrong . . .

No you imbecile, you have to prove you are right. You cannot so you lied, or
if
you prefer "you made it up" - I prefer you lied. Clearly the case. >>>>>>> There is no basis whatsoever for the stupid assumption you made. It was

not

reasonable. A lie - once more. Desperation once more.

If there is no basis for the assumption that the "successive
governments"refered to by Devoy refers to the last 2 or three
governments, then you would be able to show evidence that the
investigation was being called for prior to Novemmber 2008. But you
can;t - you are making the opposite assumption that I have made, and
demonding that I prove you a liar. I can do that no more than you can
prove me a liar - unless of course you can find a reference to the
investgation being called for from a government prior to November
2008.

I've seen better logic from my cat. Just because something is historical doesn't mean it can't fall within the scope of an investigation.

Stop wasting my time trying to fit ever more angels on the head of a pin.

I prefer to think of both of us having made assumptions - with my view
being that Devoy was clearly talking about at least the current
government;

Successive governments mean different. The three terms of National are one government. Stop being a dick trying to argue that black is white.

We are currently in the 51st term of Parliament of New Zealand -
commony referred to as the 51st government. The three parliaments led
by Labour were the 46th to 48th.

Can you show that there was any call before the 2008 election for an
inquiry into historic abuse in state care?

Rich stupid must be an accolade to you. Only a moronic marxist muppet
like you would expect a cite for something that has never happened! :)

Here's a cite of the last time you made an honest post : "......."

<Rich shit flushed>

Do you support the lack of response by National? Lying won't make
that call go away, and won't change the reality that it's hard to get National to do what is right.

Bullshit! Everything National does is right just as everything your
Liebor/4% party does is left Rich.

it is just a question as to whether she was asserting some
culpability to the government before November 2008. Without evidence,
you are just as much a liar as I am - how do you feel about that?

You have nothing to the contrary other than meaningless drivel that you make

up out of your tiny diseased little mind.

This has to be some of the most feeble rationalisation I've ever seen from
Dickbot - and that's saying something. The guy just makes shit up and then
either runs away, diverts or makes more shit up to hide the >other shit. >>>>> I can accept that politically active people stretch the truth; what I find

repugnant about Rich is that he cares not one jot about real people, and tries
to hide that with lies and abuse! He is in love with some imaginary political
utopia that will never exist!

Well there's bound to be self-interest hidden beneath. In every socialist dystopia the party elite live like royalty.

You can be quite sure that Maduro and his inner circle in Caracas won't be

going short of toilet paper while the rest of the population wipe their arses with newspaper. And it's quite obvious that Kim Jong Un and his generals in Pyongyang are well
fed while the rural peasants starve. Such is the way of real world socialism. >>>>

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to listen
and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at you
because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from others
but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now, do
you?

Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will post
the
reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the mentally
impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get back to
actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

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Tony

Tony

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On 18/08/2017 9:55 a.m., Tony wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> <snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate is not only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the UN to

tell our

Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political issue just >>>>>>>> shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is.

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the sound link >>>>>>> from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how to use >>>>>> Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . .

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the first place. >> Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the

other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I suspect
you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments"
referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November 2008.
So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to listen
and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at you because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from others >>>>> but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now, do you? >>>>
Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will post the >>>> reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the mentally impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get back to
actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

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If Rich stopped lying we'd never see another post from him :)

Pooh

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On 18/08/2017 11:48 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> <snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to investigate is not only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the UN to tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political issue just >>>>>>>>> shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is.

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the sound link >>>>>>>> from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out how to use >>>>>>> Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . .

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the first place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On the
other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I suspect
you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive governments"
referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November 2008.
So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that Devoy
did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is not
only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged the
UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a
reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being called
for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove me
wrong . . .

- I share with you concern over
the immorality of the National leadership which has refused to listen
and desperate not to do the right thing.

And I just told you how to find it, but everyone is laughing at you because
you are *still* too thick to find it!

Type
It
Into
Google

Still to hard for you?

It is a characteristic of Nat-bots to insist on references from others >>>>>> but not give them themselves . . .

You really don't understand how stupid you are looking right now, do you? >>>>>
Are you really sure you can't find it? If you admit that I will post the >>>>> reference for you. I'm always prepared to offer help to the mentally impaired.

If rich ever stops being the group comic we'll just have to get back to >>>> actual events.
PS:
Had no problem accessing the URL.
Devoid needs to retire

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Tony

What a sad widdle uncomprehending twister of facts you are Rich. Now
stop lying and accept that you are a very small person. Or do you refuse
to accept responsibility for your own underhand and pathetic attempts to
push a story non of us will ever believe?

Pooh

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On Friday, 18 August 2017 23:42:27 UTC+12, Pooh wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:56:16 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 15:25:16 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21:50 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:10:21 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:55:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot

net

dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:13:58 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>

wrote:

On 8/17/2017 10:16 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:11:38 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO

<johno1234@gmail.com>

wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:54:57 UTC+12, Rich80105

wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24:41 UTC+12, Rich80105

wrote:

<snip>

This is what Devoy said, with my emphasis added:

"The refusal by ***successive governments*** to

investigate is not

only
wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I

urged the UN

to
tell our
Government to do the right thing"

So Dickbot's attempt to make this into a party political

issue

just
shows himself up for the nasty little propagandist he is. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>

I didn't see that comment, and it wasn't in the text or the

sound

link
from Morning Report. Where did you get it from?

After all these years you still haven't managed to work out

how to

use
Google?

So you couldn't find it? Somehow I remain unsurprised . . . >> >> >> >>>>>

Of course I can find it - how do you think I posted it in the

first

place.

Let us say that you have proved untrustworthy in the past. On

the

other hand, while you were not prepared to give your source, I

suspect

you were ignorant of the reality that the "successive

governments"

referred to in a different article were the last 2 or three
National-led governments - this was not an issue before November

2008.

So the fault is entirely with National

I think that is a lie - please provide proof or shut up!

No lie - I did confirm (despite no proof having been given) that

Devoy

did say "The refusal by successive governments to investigate is

not

only wrong, it is immoral. This is not my New Zealand and I urged

the

UN to tell our Government to do the right thing"

My assertion was that Devoy was referring to the last three
governments - all National-led. I cannot prove that, but it is a
reasonable assumption given that an investigation was not being

called

for prior to the 2008 election. If you think there is a lie, prove

me

wrong . . .

No you imbecile, you have to prove you are right. You cannot so you

lied, or

if
you prefer "you made it up" - I prefer you lied. Clearly the case. >> >> >> There is no basis whatsoever for the stupid assumption you made. It

was not

reasonable. A lie - once more. Desperation once more.

If there is no basis for the assumption that the "successive
governments"refered to by Devoy refers to the last 2 or three
governments, then you would be able to show evidence that the
investigation was being called for prior to Novemmber 2008. But you
can;t - you are making the opposite assumption that I have made, and
demonding that I prove you a liar. I can do that no more than you can
prove me a liar - unless of course you can find a reference to the
investgation being called for from a government prior to November
2008.

I've seen better logic from my cat. Just because something is historical

doesn't mean it can't fall within the scope of an investigation.

Stop wasting my time trying to fit ever more angels on the head of a pin.

I prefer to think of both of us having made assumptions - with my view
being that Devoy was clearly talking about at least the current
government;

Successive governments mean different. The three terms of National are one

government. Stop being a dick trying to argue that black is white.

We are currently in the 51st term of Parliament of New Zealand -
commony referred to as the 51st government. The three parliaments led
by Labour were the 46th to 48th.

No, you dick. The current government is the Fifth National Government. You are talking about terms of government. The Fifth Labour government is the previous government 1999-2008.

Can you show that there was any call before the 2008 election for an
inquiry into historic abuse in state care?

Why yes, Dickbot, I can! Here is the response emailed to me by the NZHRC:

Kia ora John

Survivors of state abuse have been calling for an official response into the abuse they suffered for decades while in government run institutions: the abuse
went back right through to the 1950s. So we are referring to governments from both sides of the
house when highlighting the fact that successive governments have failed to address historical state abuse.

Please check out our website http://www.neveragain.co.nz/learn_more to find out
more about our campaign for an inquiry and public apology.

Christine

Christine Ammunson
Strategic Communications Specialist
New Zealand Human Rights Commission
+64 027 445 7333
www.hrc.co.nz
https://www.facebook.com/nzhumanrightscommission/
@nzhumanrights


<snip the rest of Dickbot's drivel>

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