National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits -There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was made and it has been fixed.
their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously
able to ignore them . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits -
their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously
able to ignore them . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
There is no evidence that this results from a policy.
Clearly a mistake was made and it has been fixed.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:lie?
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits -There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was made and it has been fixed.
their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously
able to ignore them . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to
Tony
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits -
their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously
able to ignore them . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits -
their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously
able to ignore them . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
There is no evidence that this results from a policy.
To date there appears to have been no such evidence made known to the media.
Clearly a mistake was made and it has been fixed.
But from the same article:If none is available to the media then none is available to me - hence my assertion.
"Williams said her staff were dealing with an increasing number of cases >involving Work and Income clients who were not receiving payments they were >entitled to.
"(The MP's) staff had supported 77 constituents with issues with their >benefits this year and Williams said Work and Income's "delay and obfuscation"
needed to stop.
"I think a lot of it is designed to eliminate people out of the system . . . >they just give up."
So it seems Mr Lawrence's case is by no means a one-off. This, I would have >thought, requires an official explanation and Ms Williams is clearly not to be >denied.
However, I'm sure the authorities will be only too anxious to disprove the >MP's controversial suggestion that they might be in some way lax or even >"inefficient." And it's long been acknowledged that WINZ office wallahs work >under considerable pressure.
But, to be even handed in the matter, the really good news is that it seems no >disability beneficiary is reported to have lost any sleep from having >mistakenly been paid too much.
The only thing is, we seldom if ever get to hear about it.
On Wednesday, 16 August 2017 07:56:01 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:proud of? Yeah I did listen to that.
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria
Turei?
By issues do you mean the lying and stealing she's admitted to and remains
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netDon't be so silly, and why can you not stick to the subject?
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits -There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was >>made and it has been fixed.
their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously >>>able to ignore them . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to >>lie?
Tony
this for example:
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing
out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned
about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria
Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits
being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria
Turei?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits -There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was >made and it has been fixed.
their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously
able to ignore them . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to lie?
Tony
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits -There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was >> made and it has been fixed.
their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously
able to ignore them . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to lie?
Tony
this for example:
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing
out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned
about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria
Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits
being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
On Wednesday, 16 August 2017 07:56:01 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:proud of? Yeah I did listen to that.
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria
Turei?
By issues do you mean the lying and stealing she's admitted to and remains
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:https://www.facebook.com/TheProjectNZ/videos/1057608587709127/
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netDon't be so silly, and why can you not stick to the subject?
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits - >>>>their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously >>>>able to ignore them . . .There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was >>>made and it has been fixed.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to >>>lie?
Tony
this for example:
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing
out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned >>about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria >>Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits >>being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
You have said this is a policy problem, it is not, there is zero (like none) >evidence that it is a policy issue.
People make mistakes and for these folks the mistakes can be devastating but >they are just that - mistakes - and they get fixed. No evidence at all that it >is a policy issue.
The rest of your post is your usual attempt at diversion from the subject.
Tony
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:17:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netwas
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits - >>>>their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously >>>>able to ignore them . . .There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
itDon't be so silly, and why can you not stick to the subject?made and it has been fixed.It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to >>>lie?
Tony
this for example:
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing >>out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned >>about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria >>Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits >>being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
You have said this is a policy problem, it is not, there is zero (like none) >evidence that it is a policy issue.
People make mistakes and for these folks the mistakes can be devastating but >they are just that - mistakes - and they get fixed. No evidence at all that
is a policy issue.
The rest of your post is your usual attempt at diversion from the subject.
Tonyhttps://www.facebook.com/TheProjectNZ/videos/1057608587709127/
This is not a random error - benefit entitlements cut routinely . . .
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:17:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:https://www.facebook.com/TheProjectNZ/videos/1057608587709127/
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netDon't be so silly, and why can you not stick to the subject?
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits - >>>>>their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously >>>>>able to ignore them . . .There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was >>>>made and it has been fixed.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to >>>>lie?
Tony
this for example:
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing >>>out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned >>>about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria >>>Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits >>>being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
You have said this is a policy problem, it is not, there is zero (like none) >>evidence that it is a policy issue.
People make mistakes and for these folks the mistakes can be devastating but >>they are just that - mistakes - and they get fixed. No evidence at all that it
is a policy issue.
The rest of your post is your usual attempt at diversion from the subject.
Tony
This is not a random error - benefit entitlements cut routinely . . .
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:08:59 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>was
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:17:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits - >>>>>their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously >>>>>able to ignore them . . .There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
tomade and it has been fixed.
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have
none)Don't be so silly, and why can you not stick to the subject?lie?It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at >>>this for example:
Tony
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing >>>out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned >>>about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria >>>Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits >>>being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
You have said this is a policy problem, it is not, there is zero (like
butevidence that it is a policy issue.
People make mistakes and for these folks the mistakes can be devastating
itthey are just that - mistakes - and they get fixed. No evidence at all that
is a policy issue.https://www.facebook.com/TheProjectNZ/videos/1057608587709127/
The rest of your post is your usual attempt at diversion from the subject. >>
Tony
This is not a random error - benefit entitlements cut routinely . . .
And here is another relevant article https://e-tangata.co.nz/news/why-is-tax-evasion-treated-more-gently-than-benefit-fraud
The IRD has a tag-line "Its out job to be fair" - it is notable that
WINZ has no such statement evident in their public statements . . .
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:17:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYes it is - provide proof that it is not or shut up!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:https://www.facebook.com/TheProjectNZ/videos/1057608587709127/
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netDon't be so silly, and why can you not stick to the subject?
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits - >>>>>their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously >>>>>able to ignore them . . .There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was >>>>made and it has been fixed.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to >>>>lie?
Tony
this for example:
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing >>>out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned >>>about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria >>>Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits >>>being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
You have said this is a policy problem, it is not, there is zero (like none) >>evidence that it is a policy issue.
People make mistakes and for these folks the mistakes can be devastating but >>they are just that - mistakes - and they get fixed. No evidence at all that >>it
is a policy issue.
The rest of your post is your usual attempt at diversion from the subject.
Tony
This is not a random error - benefit entitlements cut routinely . . .
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:08:59 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Tony
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:17:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:https://www.facebook.com/TheProjectNZ/videos/1057608587709127/
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:Don't be so silly, and why can you not stick to the subject?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at >>>>this for example:
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits - >>>>>>their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously >>>>>>able to ignore them . . .There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake >>>>>was
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
made and it has been fixed.
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to >>>>>lie?
Tony
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing >>>>out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned >>>>about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria >>>>Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits >>>>being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
You have said this is a policy problem, it is not, there is zero (like none) >>>evidence that it is a policy issue.
People make mistakes and for these folks the mistakes can be devastating but >>>they are just that - mistakes - and they get fixed. No evidence at all that >>>it
is a policy issue.
The rest of your post is your usual attempt at diversion from the subject. >>>
Tony
This is not a random error - benefit entitlements cut routinely . . .
And here is another relevant article >https://e-tangata.co.nz/news/why-is-tax-evasion-treated-more-gently-than-benefit-fraud
The IRD has a tag-line "Its out job to be fair" - it is notable that
WINZ has no such statement evident in their public statements . . . Meaningless desperation!
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:08:59 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>it
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:17:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:50:29 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netDon't be so silly, and why can you not stick to the subject?
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is hardly the only story along those lines, Tony - have a look at
National have instituted targets for getting people off benefits - >>>>>> their MPs must be getting these complaints as well, but are obviously >>>>>> able to ignore them . . .There is no evidence that this results from a policy. Clearly a mistake was
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95592754/christchurch-tetraplegic-man-disgusted-after-benefit-slashed-without-warning
made and it has been fixed.
Why is it that you and your ilk are so short of real news that you have to
lie?
Tony
this for example:
https://storify.com/TapanuiFlu/disabilitythread
and this
https://twitter.com/DrJessBerentson/status/895193405231316992
Do you think having families in such poverty that children are missing >>>> out on equal opportunities is something that we should notbe concerned >>>> about?
Did you listen at all to the issues that were being raised by Metiria
Turei?
But thanks for helping to make a conversation on the issue of benefits >>>> being so low, and WINZ being so difficut to deal with.
You have said this is a policy problem, it is not, there is zero (like none)
evidence that it is a policy issue.
People make mistakes and for these folks the mistakes can be devastating but
they are just that - mistakes - and they get fixed. No evidence at all that
is a policy issue.https://www.facebook.com/TheProjectNZ/videos/1057608587709127/
The rest of your post is your usual attempt at diversion from the subject. >>>
Tony
This is not a random error - benefit entitlements cut routinely . . .
And here is another relevant article https://e-tangata.co.nz/news/why-is-tax-evasion-treated-more-gently-than-benefit-fraud
The IRD has a tag-line "Its out job to be fair" - it is notable that
WINZ has no such statement evident in their public statements . . .
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