BR <buggeroff@spammer.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:24:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNo, why would you think it would?
dot nz> wrote:
OK so when he has killed off half of Korea and put the Chinese on a war >>>footinghttps://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/95719866/us-president-donald-trump-picks-fresh-fight-with-venezuela
he will use whatever is left of his military to attack Venezuela, never mind >>>that the USA has zero right to admonish Venezuela.
For goodness sake, someone get him under control!
All Trump supporters have to be questioning his ability to do the job, surely!
Tony
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How should Trump deal with Kim Jong Tubby? Perhaps he could send a
missile to the tubster filled with with copies of Peace For Our Time.
Do you think that will help?
Bill.
I believe that adding threats to threats is plain idiocy, they have to talk >either directly or indirectly (using China would make sense). It is actually >that simple!
Time for statesmanship not threats of fire and fury, but Trump is incapable of >that.
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:Accusing others of yur own faults appears to be common to the bigotted
On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 9:15:07 AM UTC+12, BR wrote:
At your patronizing best I see.On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:24:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/95719866/us-president-donald-trump-picks-fresh-fight-with-venezuelaOK so when he has killed off half of Korea and put the Chinese on a war >>> >footing
he will use whatever is left of his military to attack Venezuela, never >>> >mind
that the USA has zero right to admonish Venezuela.
For goodness sake, someone get him under control!
All Trump supporters have to be questioning his ability to do the job,
surely!
Un has brought his opponent to exactly where he wants him; but China will be >>applying subtle leverage to both sides to 'equalise' the tension and so avert >>any conflagration.
Again, a top military smell who takes crap from no one now runs the unholy >>warring sandpit that to date has been the White House; while the Pentagon runs
the rest of the US and its foreign policy. For both the military and the >>executive "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying >>nothing." The generals hold the key since they know more painfully than anyone
else who they alone would have to answer to were they to comply with a >>known-to-be delusional president's ultimate bidding.
Yesterday, a GP friend told me that, with his deluded narcissism and his >>increasingly unhinged sociopathic grandiosity, Trump exhibits all the symptoms
of late-developing syphilis.
Be that as it may, I think it's pretty certain that, not only has the >>bell-wire between the Oval Office red button and the warhead been >>metaphorically severed - if not actually disabled - but also that the political
back-channelling of quieter, saner counsels will now be running on turbo. A >>diplomatic conclusion will be achieved.
So lose no sleep, but by all means take a pill if you must.
We mere humans, yet to be elevated to the deity (and perhaps never to be so), So now you show religious bigotry - there is in your eyes only onedeity who will "elevate" hums "to the deity", whatever that means - do
already understood what you have explained albeit at somewhat boring length. Yes we can see that you are easily bored, but why keep on telling us?You are not forced to respond, Tony? nz.general is a group that
However I suppose that we should allow you, nay encourage you even (oh a bridgeOf course we should - encouraging other opinions may well help us all
too far perhaps), to exercise your over-the-top language to make any point you >wish; preferably as pointless as this one!
How should Trump deal with Kim Jong Tubby? Perhaps he could send a
missile to the tubster filled with with copies of Peace For Our Time.
Do you think that will help?
Better still, why not dispatch to Pyongyang our terrifying kilo-for-kilo >>answer to Kim Jong Tubby, New Zealand's foreign minister Gerald Anthony Tubby?
Together they could reduce international tensions at a stroke as they enjoy >>hours of harmless fraternal fun comparing each other's girth, sampling each >>nation's pinnacle of cultural cuisine (kimchi and meat pies) and swapping >>clothes in front of a mirror;and all of it to the gawping astonishment of the >>world's media.
This, I suggest, is the very kind of positive, lateral thinking that so >>regrettably eludes the dreary, plodding blokeishness of New Zealand politics.
Tony
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:58:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netIndeed, you are the perfect example! Thank you for the admission!
dot nz> wrote:
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:Accusing others of yur own faults appears to be common to the bigotted
On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 9:15:07 AM UTC+12, BR wrote:
At your patronizing best I see.On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:24:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
OK so when he has killed off half of Korea and put the Chinese on a war >>>> >footinghttps://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/95719866/us-president-donald-trump-picks-fresh-fight-with-venezuela
he will use whatever is left of his military to attack Venezuela, never >>>> >mind
that the USA has zero right to admonish Venezuela.
For goodness sake, someone get him under control!
All Trump supporters have to be questioning his ability to do the job, >>>> >surely!
Un has brought his opponent to exactly where he wants him; but China will be >>>applying subtle leverage to both sides to 'equalise' the tension and so >>>avert
any conflagration.
Again, a top military smell who takes crap from no one now runs the unholy >>>warring sandpit that to date has been the White House; while the Pentagon >>>runs
the rest of the US and its foreign policy. For both the military and the >>>executive "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying >>>nothing." The generals hold the key since they know more painfully than >>>anyone
else who they alone would have to answer to were they to comply with a >>>known-to-be delusional president's ultimate bidding.
Yesterday, a GP friend told me that, with his deluded narcissism and his >>>increasingly unhinged sociopathic grandiosity, Trump exhibits all the >>>symptoms
of late-developing syphilis.
Be that as it may, I think it's pretty certain that, not only has the >>>bell-wire between the Oval Office red button and the warhead been >>>metaphorically severed - if not actually disabled - but also that the >>>political
back-channelling of quieter, saner counsels will now be running on turbo. A >>>diplomatic conclusion will be achieved.
So lose no sleep, but by all means take a pill if you must.
"I know everything" brigade.
Try addressing the argument rather thanI addressed the argument and he simply responded with nonsense, are you sure you are not he?
just attacking the messenger, Tony!
jms is asserting that there are actions being taken behind the scenesOf clourse there are, you are both repeating what we all know already - why would you do that unless you think that you know something the rest of us does not (a laughable idea).
to mitigate the possibity of disastrous action by Trump
- let us hopeWhat abject nonsense, of course it does something, if his support dies enough there will be change! Please try to understand logic and the way the real world works.
that is true. jms' post was in direct respose to your "All Trump
supporters have to be questioning his ability to do the job,
surely!", which while fatuous (all Trump supporters questioning
something makes little or no difference to anything)
has beenWhat? You stupid man, I can send you details of someone who can explain the English language to you.
responded by a response that is much more relevant to stopping
undersirable actions.
We mere humans, yet to be elevated to the deity (and perhaps never to be so), >So now you show religious bigotry - there is in your eyes only onedeity who will "elevate" hums "to the deity", whatever that means - do
you knot recognise that we have many religious beliefs in New Zealand
- but with the majority professing no religion?
So you are the only one that can express an opinion are you? Well there it is at last, an admission that you see yourself as superior to normal, balanced and sane human beings.already understood what you have explained albeit at somewhat boring length. >Yes we can see that you are easily bored, but why keep on telling us?You are not forced to respond, Tony? nz.general is a group that
should be able to cope with woidely different views, but constructive >contributions will help far more than bigotted attacks on other
posters whose opinions may not be far from your own should you take
the time to discuss rather than dismiss.
Again you just have to say what any 5 year old already knows!However I suppose that we should allow you, nay encourage you even (oh a >>bridgeOf course we should - encouraging other opinions may well help us all
too far perhaps), to exercise your over-the-top language to make any point >>you
wish; preferably as pointless as this one!
- perhaps there is hope for you yet!
How should Trump deal with Kim Jong Tubby? Perhaps he could send a
missile to the tubster filled with with copies of Peace For Our Time.
Do you think that will help?
Better still, why not dispatch to Pyongyang our terrifying kilo-for-kilo >>>answer to Kim Jong Tubby, New Zealand's foreign minister Gerald Anthony >>>Tubby?
Together they could reduce international tensions at a stroke as they enjoy >>>hours of harmless fraternal fun comparing each other's girth, sampling each >>>nation's pinnacle of cultural cuisine (kimchi and meat pies) and swapping >>>clothes in front of a mirror;and all of it to the gawping astonishment of >>>the
world's media.
This, I suggest, is the very kind of positive, lateral thinking that so >>>regrettably eludes the dreary, plodding blokeishness of New Zealand >>>politics.
Tony
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:58:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netbe
dot nz> wrote:
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 9:15:07 AM UTC+12, BR wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:24:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/95719866/us-president-donald-trump-picks-fresh-fight-with-venezuelaOK so when he has killed off half of Korea and put the Chinese on a war >>> >footing
he will use whatever is left of his military to attack Venezuela, never >>> >mind
that the USA has zero right to admonish Venezuela.
For goodness sake, someone get him under control!
All Trump supporters have to be questioning his ability to do the job, >>> >surely!
Un has brought his opponent to exactly where he wants him; but China will
avertapplying subtle leverage to both sides to 'equalise' the tension and so
runsany conflagration.
Again, a top military smell who takes crap from no one now runs the unholy >>warring sandpit that to date has been the White House; while the Pentagon
signifyingthe rest of the US and its foreign policy. For both the military and the >>executive "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
anyonenothing." The generals hold the key since they know more painfully than
symptomselse who they alone would have to answer to were they to comply with a >>known-to-be delusional president's ultimate bidding.
Yesterday, a GP friend told me that, with his deluded narcissism and his >>increasingly unhinged sociopathic grandiosity, Trump exhibits all the
politicalof late-developing syphilis.
Be that as it may, I think it's pretty certain that, not only has the >>bell-wire between the Oval Office red button and the warhead been >>metaphorically severed - if not actually disabled - but also that the
Aback-channelling of quieter, saner counsels will now be running on turbo.
diplomatic conclusion will be achieved.
So lose no sleep, but by all means take a pill if you must.
At your patronizing best I see.
Accusing others of yur own faults appears to be common to the bigotted
"I know everything" brigade. Try addressing the argument rather than
just attacking the messenger, Tony!
jms is asserting that there are actions being taken behind the scenes
to mitigate the possibity of disastrous action by Trump - let us hope
that is true.
On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 8:39:19 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:war
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:58:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 9:15:07 AM UTC+12, BR wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:24:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>> dot nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/95719866/us-president-donald-trump-picks-fresh-fight-with-venezuelaOK so when he has killed off half of Korea and put the Chinese on a
neverfooting
he will use whatever is left of his military to attack Venezuela,
bemind
that the USA has zero right to admonish Venezuela.
For goodness sake, someone get him under control!
All Trump supporters have to be questioning his ability to do the job, >>> >surely!
Un has brought his opponent to exactly where he wants him; but China will
avertapplying subtle leverage to both sides to 'equalise' the tension and so
unholyany conflagration.
Again, a top military smell who takes crap from no one now runs the
runswarring sandpit that to date has been the White House; while the Pentagon
signifyingthe rest of the US and its foreign policy. For both the military and the >>executive "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
anyonenothing." The generals hold the key since they know more painfully than
symptomselse who they alone would have to answer to were they to comply with a >>known-to-be delusional president's ultimate bidding.
Yesterday, a GP friend told me that, with his deluded narcissism and his >>increasingly unhinged sociopathic grandiosity, Trump exhibits all the
politicalof late-developing syphilis.
Be that as it may, I think it's pretty certain that, not only has the >>bell-wire between the Oval Office red button and the warhead been >>metaphorically severed - if not actually disabled - but also that the
Aback-channelling of quieter, saner counsels will now be running on turbo.
diplomatic conclusion will be achieved.
So lose no sleep, but by all means take a pill if you must.
At your patronizing best I see.
Accusing others of yur own faults appears to be common to the bigotted
"I know everything" brigade. Try addressing the argument rather than
just attacking the messenger, Tony!
In fact mine is commentary, not argument.
jms is asserting that there are actions being taken behind the scenes
to mitigate the possibity of disastrous action by Trump - let us hope
that is true.
Quite so. But one must allow that your antagonist with whom you share thesame oxygen mask seems blissfully unaware that he is nothing if not an entertainer.
But now, and right on cue, and as if perversely to tempt me, the onlineHerald's shock banner headline this morning proclaims that a recently opened tunnel in Auckland is to be shut for a night or two to carry out maintenance.
With such a gross enormity threatening the entire nation, may we now expectyet another of Tony's hair-trigger expostulations?
On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 8:39:19 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:58:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 9:15:07 AM UTC+12, BR wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:24:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
OK so when he has killed off half of Korea and put the Chinese on a war >> >>> >footinghttps://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/95719866/us-president-donald-trump-picks-fresh-fight-with-venezuela
he will use whatever is left of his military to attack Venezuela, never >> >>> >mind
that the USA has zero right to admonish Venezuela.
For goodness sake, someone get him under control!
All Trump supporters have to be questioning his ability to do the job, >> >>> >surely!
Un has brought his opponent to exactly where he wants him; but China will >> >>be
applying subtle leverage to both sides to 'equalise' the tension and so
avert
any conflagration.
Again, a top military smell who takes crap from no one now runs the unholy >> >>warring sandpit that to date has been the White House; while the Pentagon >> >>runs
the rest of the US and its foreign policy. For both the military and the >> >>executive "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
signifying
nothing." The generals hold the key since they know more painfully than >> >>anyone
else who they alone would have to answer to were they to comply with a
known-to-be delusional president's ultimate bidding.
Yesterday, a GP friend told me that, with his deluded narcissism and his >> >>increasingly unhinged sociopathic grandiosity, Trump exhibits all the
symptoms
of late-developing syphilis.
Be that as it may, I think it's pretty certain that, not only has the
bell-wire between the Oval Office red button and the warhead been
metaphorically severed - if not actually disabled - but also that the
political
back-channelling of quieter, saner counsels will now be running on turbo. >> >>A
diplomatic conclusion will be achieved.
So lose no sleep, but by all means take a pill if you must.
At your patronizing best I see.
Accusing others of yur own faults appears to be common to the bigotted
"I know everything" brigade. Try addressing the argument rather than
just attacking the messenger, Tony!
In fact mine is commentary, not argument.
jms is asserting that there are actions being taken behind the scenes
to mitigate the possibity of disastrous action by Trump - let us hope
that is true.
Quite so. But one must allow that your antagonist with whom you share the >same oxygen mask seems blissfully unaware that he is nothing if not an >entertainer.No, you may not expect that. I am not into hair triggers; indeed I am inclined to consider carefully and prefer to focus on the message rather than finding some over-the-top way of delivering it which usually includes nastiness. Interesting that Rich accused me of attacking the messenger when that is something that he has turned into an art form!
But now, and right on cue, and as if perversely to tempt me, the online >Herald's shock banner headline this morning proclaims that a recently opened >tunnel in Auckland is to be shut for a night or two to carry out maintenance.
With such a gross enormity threatening the entire nation, may we now expect >yet of Tony's hair-trigger expostulations?
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:03:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYes of course there is, I stand by my view that threat and counter=threat at that level is going to achieve nothing good. Even China and other countries seem to agree.
dot nz> wrote:
BR <buggeroff@spammer.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:24:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNo, why would you think it would?
dot nz> wrote:
OK so when he has killed off half of Korea and put the Chinese on a war >>>>footinghttps://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/95719866/us-president-donald-trump-picks-fresh-fight-with-venezuela
he will use whatever is left of his military to attack Venezuela, never >>>>mind
that the USA has zero right to admonish Venezuela.
For goodness sake, someone get him under control!
All Trump supporters have to be questioning his ability to do the job, >>>>surely!
Tony
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How should Trump deal with Kim Jong Tubby? Perhaps he could send a >>>missile to the tubster filled with with copies of Peace For Our Time.
Do you think that will help?
Bill.
I believe that adding threats to threats is plain idiocy, they have to talk >>either directly or indirectly (using China would make sense). It is actually >>that simple!
There is always behind the scenes dialogue.
China is as much to blameStatesmanship and diplomacy are very different things.
as the porker. Who was it that supplied NK with the expertise to get
their nukes? Incidentally China has told Fatboy and his pals that they
are on their own if they attempt a first strike on the US or one of
their allies. What the US should do is to put the nukes back into
South Korea and also deploy some to Japan.
Time for statesmanship not threats of fire and fury, but Trump is incapable >>of
that.
Who was it that said "Diplomacy is to do and say, the nastiest thing
in the nicest way"?
Decades of "statesmanship" and appeasement have failed, and it is nowIt is not the message that is wrong it is the method of delivery. Trump could easily have made it clear, using whatever channels he wishes, that he won't be pushed but no, he had to threaten the man and NK in public. That is what I disagree with.
time for some plain speaking. For all his faults, Donald Trump is
sending the right message.
What would Clinton have done? Answer: She
would have weaseled around with diplomacy and appeasement just like
Obama did with the Iran deal, and this would have further emboldened
KJ Tubby. Iran will be next; watch this space. However, I suspect that
Israel will be far less tolerant of Iranian nukes than the US has been
with NK nukes.
Bill
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