On Thursday, 10 August 2017 19:21:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:not. Who to believe? Do you really think a government minister is just going to
<snip Dickbot's ill-informed drivel>
So, Maharaj says he was subjected to a racist comment, Goldsmith says he was
Strange how the media failed to research and point out that the guy makingthe complaint is a Labour aligned activist and would-be politician? Worked in parliament for Trevor Mallard. Hutt South"Youth MP". Student Union activist. Listed interests
Given the above, it is quite clear that he's not just some Joe Public but aleft wing political activist with an axe to grind.
Extremely poor work by the lazy MSM to not point this out in their stories.
Dirty politics hit job via smear on the integrity of Goldsmith.
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 19:21:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Yes, Goldsmith did!
<snip Dickbot's ill-informed drivel>
So, Maharaj says he was subjected to a racist comment, Goldsmith says he was not.
Who to believe? Do you really think a government minister is just going to make racist comments in a public forum?
Strange how the media failed to research and point out that the guy making thecomplaint is a Labour aligned activist and would-be politician? Worked in parliament for Trevor Mallard. Hutt South"Youth MP". Student Union activist. Listed interests
Given the above, it is quite clear that he's not just some Joe Public but a left wing political activist with an axe to grind.
Extremely poor work by the lazy MSM to not point this out in their stories.
Dirty politics hit job via smear on the integrity of Goldsmith.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>not.
wrote:
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 19:21:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
<snip Dickbot's ill-informed drivel>
So, Maharaj says he was subjected to a racist comment, Goldsmith says he was
make racist comments in a public forum?Who to believe? Do you really think a government minister is just going to
Yes, Goldsmith did!
Did you read the articles?Obviously as I commented specifically on them having done my reseach you moron.
The arrogance of National is such that they cannot understand why<Blah blah blah. Snip Dickbot drivel>
On Friday, 11 August 2017 09:41:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 19:21:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Yes, Goldsmith did!
<snip Dickbot's ill-informed drivel>
So, Maharaj says he was subjected to a racist comment, Goldsmith says he was not.
Who to believe? Do you really think a government minister is just going to make racist comments in a public forum?
No he did not:
"It is possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember the conversation differently. Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thought I may have offended Mr Maharaj, it was not my intention," he said in an email."
Obviously as I commented specifically on them having done my reseach you moron.
Did you read the articles?
The arrogance of National is such that they cannot understand why<Blah blah blah. Snip Dickbot drivel>
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>was not.
wrote:
On Friday, 11 August 2017 09:41:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 19:21:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
<snip Dickbot's ill-informed drivel>
So, Maharaj says he was subjected to a racist comment, Goldsmith says he
to make racist comments in a public forum?Who to believe? Do you really think a government minister is just going
conversation differently. Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thought I may have offended Mr Maharaj, it was not my intention," he said in an email."Yes, Goldsmith did!
No he did not:
"It is possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember the
moron.Obviously as I commented specifically on them having done my reseach you
Did you read the articles?
The arrogance of National is such that they cannot understand why<Blah blah blah. Snip Dickbot drivel>
Not my words:
Paul Goldsmith was approached by 25-year-old Thomas Maharaj, who asked
him whether a capital gains tax would ease the housing crisis.
Mr Maharaj pointed out that some National MPs own multiple properties, including Dr Parmjeet Parmar, who has a stake in seven properties.
He says Mr Goldsmith interrupted and said: "Yeah, well, you are – and
she is – Indian. You just need to accept it. That's the way it is."
Mr Maharaj says he was shocked by the comment.
"[The Minister] was saying that Indians buy lots of houses," says Mr
Maharaj. "Does that have anything to do with the housing crisis?"
Race was 'absolutely irrelevant'
Mr Maharaj is half New Zealand European and half Fijian-Indian. He had
not discussed his ethnicity with Mr Goldsmith.
"I said to him, 'Excuse me? Why did you just call me Indian?' I was
really pissed off."
"He probably didn't expect that I'd take it any further, but it has
stuck with me for the past few days. I'm really disappointed."
Matt Billington, 18, witnessed the exchange, and was also shocked by
the Minister's comments.
"We were like, 'What? Did he really just say that?'"
"You can't categorise an entire race of people, and say, 'Oh, that's
just the way it is; they own multiple houses,'"Mr Billington says.
"It's a categorisation which, as a Member of Parliament, is
disgusting. That's no way for a human to behave, let alone someone
holding a position in the Government."
As Tertiary Education Minister, Mr Goldsmith is responsible for New Zealand’s $4 billion export education market. India is one of our main sources of foreign students.
In June, he launched a new strategy to make those students feel more "welcome" and "valued" in New Zealand.
Minister responds
Mr Maharaj approached Mr Goldsmith a few minutes after the initial
exchange, and asked him to explain his comments.
1 NEWS has viewed footage, filmed by an observer, which shows Mr
Goldsmith saying: "I didn't mean it like that".
Mr Maharaj says he did not receive an apology from the Minister.
"He didn't deny the fact that he said what he said."
In a statement to 1 NEWS this morning, Mr Goldsmith said: "It is
possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember the conversation differently."
"Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thought I may have offended
Mr Maharaj. It was not my intention."
Mr Maharaj is certain that he and Mr Goldsmith "definitely did not"
mishear each other.
"This is not about party politics," he says. "If you say something
racially offensive, you should own up."
____________________________________
Of course Goldsmith will not own up - the Crosby-Textor mantra is
never admit to wrongdoing - claim misunderstanding - never apologise,
say you regret that the other pwrson misunderstood you.
A proven liar - with a plausible accusation of racism and denial.
Naturally however the Nat sycophants believe that unless convicted in
a court, no National MP ever does anything wrong . . .
On Friday, 11 August 2017 11:02:58 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:was not.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 11 August 2017 09:41:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 19:21:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
<snip Dickbot's ill-informed drivel>
So, Maharaj says he was subjected to a racist comment, Goldsmith says he
conversation differently. Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thought I may have offended Mr Maharaj, it was not my intention," he said in an email." >> >Who to believe? Do you really think a government minister is just going to make racist comments in a public forum?Yes, Goldsmith did!
No he did not:
"It is possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember the
Why?Obviously as I commented specifically on them having done my reseach you moron.
Did you read the articles?
The arrogance of National is such that they cannot understand why<Blah blah blah. Snip Dickbot drivel>
Not my words:
I realise that. They are the words of some Labour party political activist. And your evidence for that?
I would take a government minister's word ahead of this guy.
It doesn't pass the "obvious" test that government ministers don't go round throwing racist slurs at people, especially in public forums.Evidence to support that being any sort of "test"?
Meanwhile as Labour and their useful idiots continue to deal in smear and innuendo, the government carries on dealing in policy. After nine long years the lefties still don't learn.Teh government is best known for "Dirty Tricks", and for being
Paul Goldsmith was approached by 25-year-old Thomas Maharaj, who asked
him whether a capital gains tax would ease the housing crisis.
Mr Maharaj pointed out that some National MPs own multiple properties,
including Dr Parmjeet Parmar, who has a stake in seven properties.
He says Mr Goldsmith interrupted and said: "Yeah, well, you are – and
she is – Indian. You just need to accept it. That's the way it is."
Mr Maharaj says he was shocked by the comment.
"[The Minister] was saying that Indians buy lots of houses," says Mr
Maharaj. "Does that have anything to do with the housing crisis?"
Race was 'absolutely irrelevant'
Mr Maharaj is half New Zealand European and half Fijian-Indian. He had
not discussed his ethnicity with Mr Goldsmith.
"I said to him, 'Excuse me? Why did you just call me Indian?' I was
really pissed off."
"He probably didn't expect that I'd take it any further, but it has
stuck with me for the past few days. I'm really disappointed."
Matt Billington, 18, witnessed the exchange, and was also shocked by
the Minister's comments.
"We were like, 'What? Did he really just say that?'"
"You can't categorise an entire race of people, and say, 'Oh, that's
just the way it is; they own multiple houses,'"Mr Billington says.
"It's a categorisation which, as a Member of Parliament, is
disgusting. That's no way for a human to behave, let alone someone
holding a position in the Government."
As Tertiary Education Minister, Mr Goldsmith is responsible for New
Zealand’s $4 billion export education market. India is one of our main
sources of foreign students.
In June, he launched a new strategy to make those students feel more
"welcome" and "valued" in New Zealand.
Minister responds
Mr Maharaj approached Mr Goldsmith a few minutes after the initial
exchange, and asked him to explain his comments.
1 NEWS has viewed footage, filmed by an observer, which shows Mr
Goldsmith saying: "I didn't mean it like that".
Mr Maharaj says he did not receive an apology from the Minister.
"He didn't deny the fact that he said what he said."
In a statement to 1 NEWS this morning, Mr Goldsmith said: "It is
possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember the
conversation differently."
"Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thought I may have offended
Mr Maharaj. It was not my intention."
Mr Maharaj is certain that he and Mr Goldsmith "definitely did not"
mishear each other.
"This is not about party politics," he says. "If you say something
racially offensive, you should own up."
____________________________________
Of course Goldsmith will not own up - the Crosby-Textor mantra is
never admit to wrongdoing - claim misunderstanding - never apologise,
say you regret that the other pwrson misunderstood you.
A proven liar - with a plausible accusation of racism and denial.
Naturally however the Nat sycophants believe that unless convicted in
a court, no National MP ever does anything wrong . . .
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:06:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>he was not.
wrote:
On Friday, 11 August 2017 11:02:58 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 11 August 2017 09:41:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 19:21:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
<snip Dickbot's ill-informed drivel>
So, Maharaj says he was subjected to a racist comment, Goldsmith says
going to make racist comments in a public forum?Who to believe? Do you really think a government minister is just
the conversation differently. Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thoughtYes, Goldsmith did!
No he did not:
"It is possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember
moron.
Obviously as I commented specifically on them having done my reseach you
Did you read the articles?
The arrogance of National is such that they cannot understand why<Blah blah blah. Snip Dickbot drivel>
Not my words:
I realise that. They are the words of some Labour party political activist. And your evidence for that?
I would take a government minister's word ahead of this guy.Why?
throwing racist slurs at people, especially in public forums.It doesn't pass the "obvious" test that government ministers don't go round
Evidence to support that being any sort of "test"?innuendo, the government carries on dealing in policy. After nine long years the lefties still don't learn.
Meanwhile as Labour and their useful idiots continue to deal in smear and
Teh government is best known for "Dirty Tricks",
and for being
painfully slow on all aspects of teh economy.
Paul Goldsmith was approached by 25-year-old Thomas Maharaj, who asked
him whether a capital gains tax would ease the housing crisis.
Mr Maharaj pointed out that some National MPs own multiple properties,
including Dr Parmjeet Parmar, who has a stake in seven properties.
He says Mr Goldsmith interrupted and said: "Yeah, well, you are – and
she is – Indian. You just need to accept it. That's the way it is."
Mr Maharaj says he was shocked by the comment.
"[The Minister] was saying that Indians buy lots of houses," says Mr
Maharaj. "Does that have anything to do with the housing crisis?"
Race was 'absolutely irrelevant'
Mr Maharaj is half New Zealand European and half Fijian-Indian. He had
not discussed his ethnicity with Mr Goldsmith.
"I said to him, 'Excuse me? Why did you just call me Indian?' I was
really pissed off."
"He probably didn't expect that I'd take it any further, but it has
stuck with me for the past few days. I'm really disappointed."
Matt Billington, 18, witnessed the exchange, and was also shocked by
the Minister's comments.
"We were like, 'What? Did he really just say that?'"
"You can't categorise an entire race of people, and say, 'Oh, that's
just the way it is; they own multiple houses,'"Mr Billington says.
"It's a categorisation which, as a Member of Parliament, is
disgusting. That's no way for a human to behave, let alone someone
holding a position in the Government."
As Tertiary Education Minister, Mr Goldsmith is responsible for New
Zealand’s $4 billion export education market. India is one of our main >> sources of foreign students.
In June, he launched a new strategy to make those students feel more
"welcome" and "valued" in New Zealand.
Minister responds
Mr Maharaj approached Mr Goldsmith a few minutes after the initial
exchange, and asked him to explain his comments.
1 NEWS has viewed footage, filmed by an observer, which shows Mr
Goldsmith saying: "I didn't mean it like that".
Mr Maharaj says he did not receive an apology from the Minister.
"He didn't deny the fact that he said what he said."
In a statement to 1 NEWS this morning, Mr Goldsmith said: "It is
possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember the
conversation differently."
"Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thought I may have offended
Mr Maharaj. It was not my intention."
Mr Maharaj is certain that he and Mr Goldsmith "definitely did not"
mishear each other.
"This is not about party politics," he says. "If you say something
racially offensive, you should own up."
____________________________________
Of course Goldsmith will not own up - the Crosby-Textor mantra is
never admit to wrongdoing - claim misunderstanding - never apologise,
say you regret that the other pwrson misunderstood you.
A proven liar - with a plausible accusation of racism and denial.
Naturally however the Nat sycophants believe that unless convicted in
a court, no National MP ever does anything wrong . . .
The arrogance of National is such that they cannot understand why
people do not supinely gaze in adoration and only ask questions
arranged by their spin merchants. This example shows how even a mild question can result in a flash of anger at the lack of expected
respect (in Nat terms subservience), and despite spin training, that momentary lapse to show the true thoughts underneath. Yes Goldsmith
is racist, but that needs to be seen in perspective the inability to
defend National's poor record on housing is well known; Goldsmith was probably also aware that they have failed - he may have been trying to distract. http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/national-s-paul-goldsmith-accused-of-blaming-indians-for-housing-crisis.html
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95599184/Tertiary-minister-Paul-Goldsmith-accused-of-racism-over-Indian-housing-remark
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/tertiary-education-minister-accused-making-disgusting-racial-statement-indian-home-ownership
Goldsmith is not a high flyer, so I looked him up on Wikipedia - which
showed he had the essential criteria to be a National MP - a
willingness to "blur the truth" as the following quote shows:
At the launch of the Don Brash biography, Brash: A Biography,
Goldsmith assured Danya Levy of the New Zealand Press Association that
the book "was not commissioned by the National Party" and that it was
his own initiative, but written with Brash's co-operation.[3]
But as investigative journalist Nicky Hager in his book The Hollow Men revealed, it was indeed commissioned by the National Party, and was in
fact the party's first big budget item in the 2005 election
campaign.[4] Hager quotes a 21 May 2004 email from Brash to Richard
Long, who was his chief of staff,[5] where a proposal from
Christchurch publisher Willson Scott for the biography was discussed.
Long replied two days later that he had discussed the book with
Goldsmith, and Brash in reply wanted political historian Michael
Bassett [a personal friend of Brash] to be considered,[6] [7]
The book was eventually commissioned with Goldsmith, and was paid for
by National Party donors through a company called Silverbeat, which
belonged to Brash's assistant Bryan Sinclair.[8] National Party staff supplied Goldsmith with a collections of papers for the book, and
Goldsmith first interviewed Brash in July 2004.[9] Within weeks,
Goldsmith supplied the first drafts to National Party staff, and the
book was written in such a complimentary way that Brash commented on
the final chapter: "I do not have a single word I would change". The
working relationship with Brash got so close that Goldsmith even got
to review a draft version of Brash's second Orewa Speech (dubbed Orewa
2); Goldsmith returned his draft to Brash on 10 November 2004, and
some of the lines were kept for 25 January 2005 speech delivery.[10]
Whilst the book was under production, Brash's team of advisers
strategised how the biography could be used to best effect, or "as a significant marketing tool", as Brash himself called it in a 27 March
2005 email.[11] To give the impression that the book was independently written was made more complicated by Goldsmith becoming a candidate in
the Maungakiekie electorate during the book production, something that
Long had advised against by stating that he had "warned the party and Goldsmith months ago that his candicacy would undermine the authority
of the book and [he] urged him to hold off till next time".[12]
The biography was launched on 28 February 2005 in Auckland. Although
it was nominally a project by the publisher Penguin Books,[13] all arrangements for the launch were made by Sinclair. From a 15 February
email from Goldsmith to Sinclair that contained a draft invite list
that have four National Party donors listed immediately after
Goldsmith's family but before his friends and with specific reference
to "the above 4 ... need courtesy to invite", Hager thinks that it is possible that Doug Myers, Alan Gibbs, Craig Heatley, and David
Richwhite were the ones who paid for the production of the biography.
As such, the production costs of the biography do not form part of the election costs declared by the National Party for the 2005
campaign.[14]
__________________
It also shows one of the ways National manage to by-pass limits on
election spending . . .
National must be very pleased with the use they can make of the
"malleable" Goldsmith - he is ideal to stand as a candidate in a seat
they desperately want to lose so that ACT can survive.
Racism? Of course - but the arrogance and spin and particupaton in
failure is a greater evil.
On Friday, 11 August 2017 11:02:58 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:conversation differently. Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thought I may have offended Mr Maharaj, it was not my intention," he said in an email." >>>
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 11 August 2017 09:41:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 19:21:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Yes, Goldsmith did!
<snip Dickbot's ill-informed drivel>
So, Maharaj says he was subjected to a racist comment, Goldsmith says he was not.
Who to believe? Do you really think a government minister is just going to make racist comments in a public forum?
No he did not:
"It is possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember the
would take a government minister's word ahead of this guy.Obviously as I commented specifically on them having done my reseach you moron.
Did you read the articles?
The arrogance of National is such that they cannot understand why<Blah blah blah. Snip Dickbot drivel>
Not my words:
I realise that. They are the words of some Labour party political activist. I
It doesn't pass the "obvious" test that government ministers don't go roundthrowing racist slurs at people, especially in public forums.
Meanwhile as Labour and their useful idiots continue to deal in smear andinnuendo, the government carries on dealing in policy. After nine long years the lefties still don't learn.
Paul Goldsmith was approached by 25-year-old Thomas Maharaj, who asked
him whether a capital gains tax would ease the housing crisis.
Mr Maharaj pointed out that some National MPs own multiple properties,
including Dr Parmjeet Parmar, who has a stake in seven properties.
He says Mr Goldsmith interrupted and said: "Yeah, well, you are – and
she is – Indian. You just need to accept it. That's the way it is."
Mr Maharaj says he was shocked by the comment.
"[The Minister] was saying that Indians buy lots of houses," says Mr
Maharaj. "Does that have anything to do with the housing crisis?"
Race was 'absolutely irrelevant'
Mr Maharaj is half New Zealand European and half Fijian-Indian. He had
not discussed his ethnicity with Mr Goldsmith.
"I said to him, 'Excuse me? Why did you just call me Indian?' I was
really pissed off."
"He probably didn't expect that I'd take it any further, but it has
stuck with me for the past few days. I'm really disappointed."
Matt Billington, 18, witnessed the exchange, and was also shocked by
the Minister's comments.
"We were like, 'What? Did he really just say that?'"
"You can't categorise an entire race of people, and say, 'Oh, that's
just the way it is; they own multiple houses,'"Mr Billington says.
"It's a categorisation which, as a Member of Parliament, is
disgusting. That's no way for a human to behave, let alone someone
holding a position in the Government."
As Tertiary Education Minister, Mr Goldsmith is responsible for New
Zealand’s $4 billion export education market. India is one of our main
sources of foreign students.
In June, he launched a new strategy to make those students feel more
"welcome" and "valued" in New Zealand.
Minister responds
Mr Maharaj approached Mr Goldsmith a few minutes after the initial
exchange, and asked him to explain his comments.
1 NEWS has viewed footage, filmed by an observer, which shows Mr
Goldsmith saying: "I didn't mean it like that".
Mr Maharaj says he did not receive an apology from the Minister.
"He didn't deny the fact that he said what he said."
In a statement to 1 NEWS this morning, Mr Goldsmith said: "It is
possible that Mr Maharaj and I misheard each other as I remember the
conversation differently."
"Regardless, I am deeply distressed at the thought I may have offended
Mr Maharaj. It was not my intention."
Mr Maharaj is certain that he and Mr Goldsmith "definitely did not"
mishear each other.
"This is not about party politics," he says. "If you say something
racially offensive, you should own up."
____________________________________
Of course Goldsmith will not own up - the Crosby-Textor mantra is
never admit to wrongdoing - claim misunderstanding - never apologise,
say you regret that the other pwrson misunderstood you.
A proven liar - with a plausible accusation of racism and denial.
Naturally however the Nat sycophants believe that unless convicted in
a court, no National MP ever does anything wrong . . .
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