On 2017-08-07, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Green co-penis James Shaw moves to remove Clendon and Graham from the Green Party because they have "brought the party into disrepute".
Only in the Orwellian dystopia that is a left wing political party can standing for your principals be "disrepute" and lying and cheating is "reputable".
Pure Doublespeak. George would be impressed.
Well I for one am at how it seems that the Greens are having a momentary laspe of reason.
It is very good though to see some people still feel that they have to
resign on principle. Pity that it has to come to this in the first place. Still MPs do represent the people.
I think this will not be hurting the Nats.
On 8 Aug 2017 06:22:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:Party because they have "brought the party into disrepute".
On 2017-08-07, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Green co-penis James Shaw moves to remove Clendon and Graham from the Green
Only in the Orwellian dystopia that is a left wing political party can standing for your principals be "disrepute" and lying and cheating is "reputable".
Pure Doublespeak. George would be impressed.
Well I for one am at how it seems that the Greens are having a momentary
laspe of reason.
It is very good though to see some people still feel that they have to
resign on principle. Pity that it has to come to this in the first place.
Still MPs do represent the people.
I think this will not be hurting the Nats.
By and large I agree - I suspect the valedictories over the next
coulple of weeks will emphasise that these are just two more who have
decided (or had it decided for them) that their time had come.
National may however gain a bit of support for McCully going, but it
would be marginal.
The Greens have succedded in getting conversations started about
poverty and the dreadful treatment of beneficiaries by this
government, and the integrity of their actions may give them some
gains.
National have their own problems of course see: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/newshub-poll-bill-english-s-credibility-hit-by-todd-barclay-saga.html
and coincidently coming through at the same time: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/patrick-gower-bill-english-in-shutdown-mode-over-todd-barclay-texts.html
(with texts sent from his ministerial phone to a parliamentary staffer
it is clear that they were official information, and this should have
been clear after John Key was caught deleting information, and in any
event it ispotential evidence in a possible court cvase, which he
should also have known - but National may lose less because Winston's grandstanding turns some people off . . . https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=196523
and in any event voting intentions are fairly volatile - see http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899875
On 8/8/2017 6:22 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-08-07, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Green co-penis James Shaw moves to remove Clendon and Graham from the
Green Party because they have "brought the party into disrepute".
Only in the Orwellian dystopia that is a left wing political party
can standing for your principals be "disrepute" and lying and
cheating is "reputable".
Pure Doublespeak. George would be impressed.
Well I for one am at how it seems that the Greens are having a momentary
laspe of reason.
It is very good though to see some people still feel that they have to
resign on principle. Pity that it has to come to this in the first place.
Still MPs do represent the people.
I think this will not be hurting the Nats.
It's the total denial that she has done something wrong when others have
been imprisoned for doing the very same thing that astonishes me.
And at a time when they need to look able to run a country...
Green now seems to mean under educated
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On 8/8/2017 6:22 PM, Gordon wrote:Party because they have "brought the party into disrepute".
On 2017-08-07, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Green co-penis James Shaw moves to remove Clendon and Graham from the Green
Only in the Orwellian dystopia that is a left wing political party can standing for your principals be "disrepute" and lying and cheating is "reputable".
Pure Doublespeak. George would be impressed.
Well I for one am at how it seems that the Greens are having a momentary
laspe of reason.
It is very good though to see some people still feel that they have to
resign on principle. Pity that it has to come to this in the first place.
Still MPs do represent the people.
I think this will not be hurting the Nats.
It's the total denial that she has done something wrong when others have
been imprisoned for doing the very same thing that astonishes me.
And at a time when they need to look able to run a country...
Green now seems to mean under educated
The way that she is using her children simply demonstrates her immorality. She has been living a lie in this sorry debacle and is the architect of her demise, the failing Green party and if her children are suffering she caused that too. Anybody who is defending her is every bit as bad.On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:10:54 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 8/8/2017 6:22 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-08-07, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Green co-penis James Shaw moves to remove Clendon and Graham from the
Green Party because they have "brought the party into disrepute".
Only in the Orwellian dystopia that is a left wing political party can >> >>>standing for your principals be "disrepute" and lying and cheating is
"reputable".
Pure Doublespeak. George would be impressed.
Well I for one am at how it seems that the Greens are having a momentary >> >> laspe of reason.
It is very good though to see some people still feel that they have to
resign on principle. Pity that it has to come to this in the first place. >> >> Still MPs do represent the people.
I think this will not be hurting the Nats.
It's the total denial that she has done something wrong when others have
been imprisoned for doing the very same thing that astonishes me.
And at a time when they need to look able to run a country...
Green now seems to mean under educated
What bollocks - she said it was wrong
No she didn't. She continues to self justify right to the end.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11901150
But it's worse that that. She continued to maintain lies and never fessed up >to the full extent of her dishonesty. On Checkpoint, it has emerged that her >extended family and friend network couldn't stomach her dishonest portrayal of >her situation as they had seen to her having plenty of support.
"People Checkpoint spoke to earlier had said Mrs Turei had sufficient support >to mean she did not need to lie to WINZ about her circumstances."
Yet she continues to use her family as an excuse:
"But I also have a duty to both my party and to my family, and my family just >don't deserve what's happening with them at the moment and I've got talk >responsibility and control of that."
It's her fault her family got dragged into this as she misused them as a >political tool. Now she's trying to use them as a shield.
Turei's despicable. Beneath contempt. Shaw is damaged by clinging to her >political corpse far too long.
The Greens need to move fast to save their party. First thing would be to >apologise to their two departing MPs and ask them back. Second thing is to >apologise to the NZ public. Third thing is to move the party from being a >"Benefit Party" back to being a "Green Party"
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:10:54 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:Green Party because they have "brought the party into disrepute".
On 8/8/2017 6:22 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-08-07, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Green co-penis James Shaw moves to remove Clendon and Graham from the
standing for your principals be "disrepute" and lying and cheating is "reputable".
Only in the Orwellian dystopia that is a left wing political party can
Pure Doublespeak. George would be impressed.
Well I for one am at how it seems that the Greens are having a momentary >> laspe of reason.
It is very good though to see some people still feel that they have to
resign on principle. Pity that it has to come to this in the first place. >> Still MPs do represent the people.
I think this will not be hurting the Nats.
It's the total denial that she has done something wrong when others have >been imprisoned for doing the very same thing that astonishes me.
And at a time when they need to look able to run a country...
Green now seems to mean under educated
What bollocks - she said it was wrong
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:10:54 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 8/8/2017 6:22 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-08-07, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Green co-penis James Shaw moves to remove Clendon and Graham from the Green Party because they have "brought the party into disrepute".
Only in the Orwellian dystopia that is a left wing political party can standing for your principals be "disrepute" and lying and cheating is "reputable".
Pure Doublespeak. George would be impressed.
Well I for one am at how it seems that the Greens are having a momentary >>> laspe of reason.
It is very good though to see some people still feel that they have to
resign on principle. Pity that it has to come to this in the first place. >>> Still MPs do represent the people.
I think this will not be hurting the Nats.
It's the total denial that she has done something wrong when others have
been imprisoned for doing the very same thing that astonishes me.
And at a time when they need to look able to run a country...
Green now seems to mean under educated
What bollocks - she said it was wrong - but the NAts only hear what
they want to hear . . .
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