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  • Bloody liar!

    From Tony @3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 21, 2017 00:50:16
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94983470/new-zealand-has-worst-level-of-homelessness-in-the-world-labour-say
    And the headline is not what Phil Twyford actually said. He said "this research shows we have the worst level of homelessness in the world".
    I assume he has never been to Hong Kong, the USA, China, the Phillipines, either of the Koreas, most south American countries and the list goes on.
    What an awful lie to tell.
    Sheer nonsense and desperation from a dying party.
    This country does not deserve him, Rich and their cohorts.
    Let's see the Labour party of some decades ago that actually had standards! Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to dot nz on Friday, July 21, 2017 23:15:46
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:50:16 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94983470/new-zealand-has-worst-level-of-homelessness-in-the-world-labour-say
    And the headline is not what Phil Twyford actually said. He said "this research
    shows we have the worst level of homelessness in the world".
    I assume he has never been to Hong Kong, the USA, China, the Phillipines, >either of the Koreas, most south American countries and the list goes on. >What an awful lie to tell.
    Sheer nonsense and desperation from a dying party.
    This country does not deserve him, Rich and their cohorts.
    Let's see the Labour party of some decades ago that actually had standards! >Tony

    Did you actually read the whole article, Tony?

    "Using data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and
    Development (OECD), a Yale study has compared the statistics to those
    from other developed nations, which put New Zealand on top of the list
    on a per-capita basis - although the researchers note significant
    comparability issues thanks to the differing ways each country
    measures homelessness."

    Under one of the pictures it says: "Labour's Phil Twyford: "We the
    worst level of homelessness in the world.""

    It doesn;t give much onfidence of the accuracy of the reporting, but
    the import of what he is saying is broadly supported by the Yale
    study. Certainly the list of government inadequacies appears if
    anything a little understated. What we do know is that until a few
    months ago National were denying there was aeven a major problem let
    alone a crisis - and now Paula Bennett is saying they had no idea it
    would cost so much, while this is reported: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11893526 (and remember that is after National changed the rules to make it much
    harder to be eligible for assistance!)

    You have not disputed any of the facts in the article that appears to
    have got you mildly upset, Tony - yes Twyford could have been slightly
    more geek-like in putting a few of the qualifications from the article
    in, but it is true that "At the last census in 2013 there were roughly
    41,705 Kiwis who were "severely housing deprived" - about 1 per cent
    of the population.

    Using data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and
    Development (OECD), a Yale study has compared the statistics to those
    from other developed nations, which put New Zealand on top of the list
    on a per-capita basis "

    Perhaps you might want to include John Key and Paula Bennett and Bill
    English in your list of Bloody Liars!

    Try this alternative reporting using the same source material -
    happier with that one? http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/335556/nz-tops-list-of-developed-countries-with-most-homeless

    Or these reports: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/327597/motels-given-millions-to-house-homeless
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/328571/homeless-families-'we've-got-nowhere-to-send-them'
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/07/nearly-24-000-homeless-in-auckland.html
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/state-housing-waiting-list-increases-nearly-1500-people-time-last-year
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/07/nz-s-homelessness-the-worst-in-oecd-by-far.html
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/07/government-on-course-to-blow-the-emergency-housing-budget-again.html

    and perhaps housing problems have constributes to this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/94948665/All-Auckland-hospitals-at-capacity-all-non-urgent-patients-asked-to-stay-away?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    If you are looking for bloody liars Tony, try turning your head around
    180 degrees . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Friday, July 21, 2017 16:35:02
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:50:16 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94983470/new-zealand-has-worst-level-of-homelessness-in-the-world-labour-say
    And the headline is not what Phil Twyford actually said. He said "this >>research
    shows we have the worst level of homelessness in the world".
    I assume he has never been to Hong Kong, the USA, China, the Phillipines, >>either of the Koreas, most south American countries and the list goes on. >>What an awful lie to tell.
    Sheer nonsense and desperation from a dying party.
    This country does not deserve him, Rich and their cohorts.
    Let's see the Labour party of some decades ago that actually had standards! >>Tony

    Did you actually read the whole article, Tony?
    You stupid man. you should not assume that I have your bad habits. Of course I read it.
    And he lied, plain and simple. Everything you have posted is completely irrelevant or worse.
    We do not have the worst level of homelessness in the world. He and you fail to prove your unfounded allegations.
    Those that are in motels are not currently homeless, so do not belong in the equation. Once more why don't you go to Hong Kong or any of 50 or more places and see for yourself - I have.
    Your other links talk about developed countries, Twyford did not. He deliberately did not make that distinction.
    ipso facto, he lied, and so are you lying in his defense.

    "Using data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and
    Development (OECD), a Yale study has compared the statistics to those
    from other developed nations, which put New Zealand on top of the list
    on a per-capita basis - although the researchers note significant >comparability issues thanks to the differing ways each country
    measures homelessness."

    Under one of the pictures it says: "Labour's Phil Twyford: "We the
    worst level of homelessness in the world.""

    It doesn;t give much onfidence of the accuracy of the reporting, but
    the import of what he is saying is broadly supported by the Yale
    study. Certainly the list of government inadequacies appears if
    anything a little understated. What we do know is that until a few
    months ago National were denying there was aeven a major problem let
    alone a crisis - and now Paula Bennett is saying they had no idea it
    would cost so much, while this is reported: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11893526 >(and remember that is after National changed the rules to make it much
    harder to be eligible for assistance!)

    You have not disputed any of the facts in the article that appears to
    have got you mildly upset, Tony - yes Twyford could have been slightly
    more geek-like in putting a few of the qualifications from the article
    in, but it is true that "At the last census in 2013 there were roughly
    41,705 Kiwis who were "severely housing deprived" - about 1 per cent
    of the population.

    Using data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and
    Development (OECD), a Yale study has compared the statistics to those
    from other developed nations, which put New Zealand on top of the list
    on a per-capita basis "

    Perhaps you might want to include John Key and Paula Bennett and Bill
    English in your list of Bloody Liars!
    No just you!

    Try this alternative reporting using the same source material -
    happier with that one? >http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/335556/nz-tops-list-of-developed-countries-with-most-homeless

    Or these reports: >http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/327597/motels-given-millions-to-house-homeless
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/328571/homeless-families-'we've-got-nowhere-to-send-them'
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/07/nearly-24-000-homeless-in-auckland.html
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/state-housing-waiting-list-increases-nearly-1500-people-time-last-year
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/07/nz-s-homelessness-the-worst-in-oecd-by-far.html
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/07/government-on-course-to-blow-the-emergency-housing-budget-again.html

    and perhaps housing problems have constributes to this: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/94948665/All-Auckland-hospitals-at-capacity-all-non-urgent-patients-asked-to-stay-away?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    If you are looking for bloody liars Tony, try turning your head around
    180 degrees . . .

    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
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