Say onething, do another - time and time again we have seen National
talk about building homes - but what they actually do is sell! http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82116936/government-sells-empty-homes-while-christchurch-homeless-wait

It is no wonder that National has stopped a lot of measurements - they
are now very aware that they will be held accountable unless they have
stopped measurements - but now they are goinfg a step further to be
able to avoid accountability - just don't set any goals or targets! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890335


Its surprising however that they are still doing so well in the polls,
although they are starting to fluctuate . . . http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-up-and-national-down-in-poll/ar-BBEp4yf?ocid=mailsignout

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Rich80105 wrote:

Say onething, do another - time and time again we have seen National
talk about building homes - but what they actually do is sell! http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82116936/government-sells-empty-homes-while-christchurch-homeless-wait

It is no wonder that National has stopped a lot of measurements - they
are now very aware that they will be held accountable unless they have stopped measurements - but now they are goinfg a step further to be
able to avoid accountability - just don't set any goals or targets! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890335

Its surprising however that they are still doing so well in the polls,

No it's not. Look at the competition. It's not surprising at all that
National are still doing well.

although they are starting to fluctuate . . . http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-up-and-national-down-in-poll/ar-BBEp4yf?ocid=mailsignout

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On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:51:54 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

Say onething, do another - time and time again we have seen National
talk about building homes - but what they actually do is sell!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82116936/government-sells-empty-homes-while-christchurch-homeless-wait

It is no wonder that National has stopped a lot of measurements - they
are now very aware that they will be held accountable unless they have
stopped measurements - but now they are goinfg a step further to be
able to avoid accountability - just don't set any goals or targets!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890335


Its surprising however that they are still doing so well in the polls,

No it's not. Look at the competition. It's not surprising at all that >National are still doing well.

So how do you feel about them selling off housing built for emergency occupation at the same time as there are people depserately needing
such housing?

How do you feel about such an avoidance of any goal setting in
relation to the increase in suicide by young people?

Is a lack of responsibility by government OK so long as those ppolled
don't notice?

although they are starting to fluctuate . . .
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-up-and-national-down-in-poll/ar-BBEp4yf?ocid=mailsignout

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:51:54 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

Say onething, do another - time and time again we have seen National
talk about building homes - but what they actually do is sell!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82116936/government-sells-empty-homes-while-christchurch-homeless-wait

It is no wonder that National has stopped a lot of measurements - they
are now very aware that they will be held accountable unless they have
stopped measurements - but now they are goinfg a step further to be
able to avoid accountability - just don't set any goals or targets!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890335


Its surprising however that they are still doing so well in the polls,

No it's not. Look at the competition. It's not surprising at all that >>National are still doing well.

It' snot surprising at all. Why would people want those that commit benefit fraud in charge of things?

So how do you feel about them selling off housing built for emergency occupation at the same time as there are people depserately needing
such housing?

I have no opinion of this as I don't know enough about it.

How do you feel about such an avoidance of any goal setting in
relation to the increase in suicide by young people?

The government doesn't exist to ensure people don't commit suicide. That's
not their purpose. Suicide prevention needs to come from the community, not
the state.

Is a lack of responsibility by government OK so long as those ppolled
don't notice?

It's not irresponsible just because you assert it is.
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:58:58 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:51:54 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

Say onething, do another - time and time again we have seen National
talk about building homes - but what they actually do is sell!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82116936/government-sells-empty-homes-while-christchurch-homeless-wait

It is no wonder that National has stopped a lot of measurements - they >>>> are now very aware that they will be held accountable unless they have >>>> stopped measurements - but now they are goinfg a step further to be
able to avoid accountability - just don't set any goals or targets!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890335 >>>>

Its surprising however that they are still doing so well in the polls,

No it's not. Look at the competition. It's not surprising at all that >>>National are still doing well.

It' snot surprising at all. Why would people want those that commit benefit >fraud in charge of things?

So how do you feel about them selling off housing built for emergency
occupation at the same time as there are people depserately needing
such housing?

I have no opinion of this as I don't know enough about it.

How very convenient for you . . . - did you read the article?

How do you feel about such an avoidance of any goal setting in
relation to the increase in suicide by young people?

The government doesn't exist to ensure people don't commit suicide. That's >not their purpose. Suicide prevention needs to come from the community, not >the state.

New Zealand is of course a community. Suicide prevention in part
depends on the availiability of psych counselling services - who due
to cost cutting by the government on mental health are one of the most
stressed and overworked parts of our whole health system - it is very
difficult to get an appointment with a psychiastrist or psychologist -
they are just too busy. Parents concerned about their children are
not able to get help. Of course stress is a contributor to suicide =
the stress of poverty (increased under National), unemployment (youth unemplopyment has increased significantly under the current
government), family breakdown (also increased, in part due to low
wages and multiple jobs ot being enough to avoid poverty), housing
difficulties (people in Dargaville are having problems finding
anywhere to rent - and of course isf someone is working WINZ don;t
want to know . . . No wonder Coleman doesn't want to have his poor
record measured - he'd rather ignore the problems.

Is a lack of responsibility by government OK so long as those ppolled
don't notice?

It's not irresponsible just because you assert it is.

You have not shown that there are very many people at all that
deliberately have children knowing they are not able to afford to look
after them - and using your argument it would not be irresponsible
anyway just because you say it is.

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On 18/07/2017 9:37 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

Say onething, do another - time and time again we have seen National
talk about building homes - but what they actually do is sell! http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82116936/government-sells-empty-homes-while-christchurch-homeless-wait

Well reading the article it looks like as usual Labour are playing with
a stacked deck. Hell demand fell off for the houses so the government is passing them on to people who need them.

It is no wonder that National has stopped a lot of measurements - they
are now very aware that they will be held accountable unless they have stopped measurements - but now they are goinfg a step further to be
able to avoid accountability - just don't set any goals or targets! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890335

Its surprising however that they are still doing so well in the polls, although they are starting to fluctuate . . . http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-up-and-national-down-in-poll/ar-BBEp4yf?ocid=mailsignout

No it isn't Rich. They're doing MUCH better than Labour because more and
more are realising that a vote for Labour is a vote for a union goon as
PM and the government being run by union decree. BTW Roy Morgan tens to
favour Labour when compared to all the other polls except for Labours in
house one which appears to be showing Labour in a worse light than Roy
Morgan.

Pooh

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On 19/07/2017 1:50 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:51:54 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

Say onething, do another - time and time again we have seen National
talk about building homes - but what they actually do is sell!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82116936/government-sells-empty-homes-while-christchurch-homeless-wait

It is no wonder that National has stopped a lot of measurements - they
are now very aware that they will be held accountable unless they have
stopped measurements - but now they are goinfg a step further to be
able to avoid accountability - just don't set any goals or targets!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890335


Its surprising however that they are still doing so well in the polls,

No it's not. Look at the competition. It's not surprising at all that
National are still doing well.

So how do you feel about them selling off housing built for emergency occupation at the same time as there are people depserately needing
such housing?

How do you feel about such an avoidance of any goal setting in
relation to the increase in suicide by young people?

so youth suicide rates dropped while Labour where government? If you
believe that you might be interested in a bridge I have for sale. Only
ever occupied by a marxist troll...

Is a lack of responsibility by government OK so long as those ppolled
don't notice?

although they are starting to fluctuate . . .
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-up-and-national-down-in-poll/ar-BBEp4yf?ocid=mailsignout

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:58:58 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:51:54 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

Say onething, do another - time and time again we have seen National >>>>> talk about building homes - but what they actually do is sell!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82116936/government-sells-empty-homes-while-christchurch-homeless-wait

It is no wonder that National has stopped a lot of measurements - they >>>>> are now very aware that they will be held accountable unless they have >>>>> stopped measurements - but now they are goinfg a step further to be
able to avoid accountability - just don't set any goals or targets!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890335 >>>>>

Its surprising however that they are still doing so well in the polls, >>>>

No it's not. Look at the competition. It's not surprising at all that >>>>National are still doing well.

It' snot surprising at all. Why would people want those that commit
benefit fraud in charge of things?

Do you think an admitted benefit fraudster should be in parliament?

So how do you feel about them selling off housing built for emergency
occupation at the same time as there are people depserately needing
such housing?

I have no opinion of this as I don't know enough about it.

How very convenient for you . . . - did you read the article?

How convenient of me? What a puerile comment. No, I did not read the
article.

How do you feel about such an avoidance of any goal setting in
relation to the increase in suicide by young people?

The government doesn't exist to ensure people don't commit suicide. That's >>not their purpose. Suicide prevention needs to come from the community,
not the state.

New Zealand is of course a community. Suicide prevention in part
depends on the availiability of psych counselling services - who due
to cost cutting by the government on mental health are one of the most stressed and overworked parts of our whole health system - it is very difficult to get an appointment with a psychiastrist or psychologist -
they are just too busy.

These are mostly private businesses. No state involvement required.

Parents concerned about their children are
not able to get help.

Because they don't want to pay?

Of course stress is a contributor to suicide =
the stress of poverty (increased under National),

You'll have to back that up with hard data. And also define what you mean by "poverty".

unemployment (youth
unemplopyment has increased significantly under the current
government), family breakdown (also increased, in part due to low
wages and multiple jobs ot being enough to avoid poverty),

The government isn't responsible for wages (other than of those that are employed by the state).

housing
difficulties (people in Dargaville are having problems finding
anywhere to rent - and of course isf someone is working WINZ don;t
want to know . . . No wonder Coleman doesn't want to have his poor
record measured - he'd rather ignore the problems.

Is a lack of responsibility by government OK so long as those ppolled
don't notice?

It's not irresponsible just because you assert it is.

You have not shown that there are very many people at all that
deliberately have children knowing they are not able to afford to look
after them

I've not said that there are "very many" people in this situation.

- and using your argument it would not be irresponsible
anyway just because you say it is.

Do you think having children when you know you cannot afford is responsible
or irresponsible?
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On 7/20/2017 3:50 PM, Allistar wrote:

Do you think an admitted benefit fraudster should be in parliament?

The aforesaid fraudster is a Green and a diehard leftie.
What else do you expect?

How convenient of me? What a puerile comment. No, I did not read the
article.

rich wants you to read an article.
By dint of it being something rich agrees with automatically drops it in
the rubbish.

You'll have to back that up with hard data. And also define what you mean by "poverty".

With our dole, family help, rent assistance and all those other bits as
well as the food banks and churches, maraes and other socially minded
groups 'poverty' such as in many countries just does not exist
The fun in this is cleaning the rich insanity from the message and
injecting the all to rare common sense

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