• And another stupid Labour bribe

    From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 14:36:50
    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, July 13, 2017 22:43:29
    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another
    child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 14, 2017 12:53:50
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another
    child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to
    restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help: http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, July 13, 2017 19:20:23
    On Friday, 14 July 2017 12:53:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another
    child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to
    restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help: http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    People can have as many children as they like. However they should not expect unlimited state funding to pop out unlimited children.

    There are families working hard to do the best for their 1, 2 or 3 kids, while paying taxes, just to see deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house producing 6 kids to different fathers, and getting paid by the kid to do so. It's wrong.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 14, 2017 19:44:38
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:20:23 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 14 July 2017 12:53:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another
    child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to
    restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help:
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    People can have as many children as they like. However they should not expect unlimited state funding to pop out unlimited children.

    There are families working hard to do the best for their 1, 2 or 3 kids, while
    paying taxes, just to see deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house producing 6 kids to different fathers, and getting paid by the kid to do so. It's wrong.

    I'd be interested to know about anyone producinh unlimited children -
    and also some evidence of deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house
    producing 6 kids to different fathers - and according to you getting
    paid by the kid to do so!

    Waiting, JohnO . . .

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 14, 2017 12:53:15
    Here's one today with NINE. FFS http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890786

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, July 15, 2017 09:13:03
    On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:53:15 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Here's one today with NINE. FFS >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890786

    I guerss you were embarrassed at your previous claims - here they are,
    together with my response::

    People can have as many children as they like. However they should not expect unlimited state funding to pop out unlimited children.

    There are families working hard to do the best for their 1, 2 or 3 kids, while
    paying taxes, just to see deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house producing 6 kids to different fathers, and getting paid by the kid to do so. It's wrong.

    I'd be interested to know about anyone producing unlimited children -
    and also some evidence of deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house
    producing 6 kids to different fathers - and according to you getting
    paid by the kid to do so!

    Waiting, JohnO . . .

    _________________________

    and as I expected you can show
    no evidence of anyone producing unlimited children
    no evidence of any deadbeat bludger
    no evidence of 6 children to different fathers,
    no evidence of the any kid paying the mother to have more
    and no evidence that this mother would have more children if she was
    paid a little more by the government.

    From the article:
    "Buchanan claimed Work and Income had known she was living there for
    over a year so she did not understand why they had only been given two
    weeks notice to get out.

    Ministry of Social Development spokeswoman Kim Going confirmed they
    were made aware of the situation in March 2016. "This is not ideal
    but...we are working to find a suitable home for Rochelle and her
    children."

    Buchanan tried to get emergency housing but her application was "put
    on hold" while she discussed options with WINZ, Going said. She was
    then referred to social service Te Tuinga Whanau but they would not be
    able to meet her until after she was due to leave.

    "We knew it was overcrowded, but we thought they'd help find us a
    house," Buchanan told the Herald.

    "They don't want to help until we're literally on the street." "
    . . . . .

    "To the people who may judge her on having so many children and
    struggling to find a house Buchanan said that this was never her plan
    to end up in this situation

    "I didn't plan on being a solo mum, but things happen." "


    What is evident from the story is that the splitting of social housing
    both with government and between government and private providers is
    resulting in one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing - and
    no-one actually sorting out problems. It illustrates a failure of
    government that after more than a year after they knew of this
    difficult situation, government had not been able to assist - there is
    indeed a crisis - a crisis caused by government incompetence,
    fragmentation of services, lack of funding, sale of social housing, an
    uncaring attitude to those in need.

    For all I know this could be your family, JohnO - somewhere their must
    be a father that if he had this article read to him should be ashamed
    of his lack of support and also ashamed of the lack of support from
    our government.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, July 15, 2017 00:24:45
    On Saturday, 15 July 2017 09:13:13 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:53:15 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Here's one today with NINE. FFS >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890786

    I guerss you were embarrassed at your previous claims - here they are, together with my response::

    People can have as many children as they like. However they should not
    expect unlimited state funding to pop out unlimited children.

    There are families working hard to do the best for their 1, 2 or 3 kids,
    while paying taxes, just to see deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house producing 6 kids to different fathers, and getting paid by the kid to do so. It's wrong.

    I'd be interested to know about anyone producing unlimited children -
    and also some evidence of deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house producing 6 kids to different fathers - and according to you getting
    paid by the kid to do so!

    Waiting, JohnO . . .

    Is 9 not enough you idiot?


    _________________________

    and as I expected you can show
    no evidence of anyone producing unlimited children
    no evidence of any deadbeat bludger
    no evidence of 6 children to different fathers,
    no evidence of the any kid paying the mother to have more
    and no evidence that this mother would have more children if she was
    paid a little more by the government.

    That's the trouble when your intelligence is limited to regurgitating the dogma
    rammed down your throat by your masters, Dickbot. You take the world far to literally.


    From the article:
    "Buchanan claimed Work and Income had known she was living there for
    over a year so she did not understand why they had only been given two
    weeks notice to get out.

    Ministry of Social Development spokeswoman Kim Going confirmed they
    were made aware of the situation in March 2016. "This is not ideal
    but...we are working to find a suitable home for Rochelle and her
    children."

    Buchanan tried to get emergency housing but her application was "put
    on hold" while she discussed options with WINZ, Going said. She was
    then referred to social service Te Tuinga Whanau but they would not be
    able to meet her until after she was due to leave.

    "We knew it was overcrowded, but we thought they'd help find us a
    house," Buchanan told the Herald.

    "They don't want to help until we're literally on the street." "
    . . . . .

    "To the people who may judge her on having so many children and
    struggling to find a house Buchanan said that this was never her plan
    to end up in this situation

    "I didn't plan on being a solo mum, but things happen." "

    Oh well that's a clever explanation! All forgiven, let her have another nine.



    What is evident from the story is that the splitting of social housing
    both with government and between government and private providers is resulting in one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing - and
    no-one actually sorting out problems. It illustrates a failure of
    government that after more than a year after they knew of this
    difficult situation, government had not been able to assist - there is
    indeed a crisis - a crisis caused by government incompetence,
    fragmentation of services, lack of funding, sale of social housing, an uncaring attitude to those in need.


    For all I know this could be your family, JohnO - somewhere their must
    be a father that if he had this article read to him should be ashamed
    of his lack of support and also ashamed of the lack of support from
    our government.

    Lack of support? The support given to useless bludgers in this country is incredible.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Monday, July 17, 2017 17:50:36
    On 13/07/2017 9:36 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another child.
    Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.


    See the Greens are upping the bribe. Guess the snowflakes are getting
    even more desperate every day.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Monday, July 17, 2017 17:53:45
    On 14/07/2017 12:53 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another
    child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to
    restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help: http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    Nah. Just making sure that more people can bleat about living in poverty!

    Yup. If you can't afford to feed and clothe your children your being irresponsible people even before they're born. A fact that both you
    Rich, Labour/Green and RNZ are incapable of comprehending!

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Monday, July 17, 2017 18:10:21
    On 15/07/2017 7:24 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Saturday, 15 July 2017 09:13:13 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:53:15 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Here's one today with NINE. FFS
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890786

    I guerss you were embarrassed at your previous claims - here they are,
    together with my response::

    People can have as many children as they like. However they should not expect unlimited state funding to pop out unlimited children.

    There are families working hard to do the best for their 1, 2 or 3 kids, while paying taxes, just to see deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house producing 6 kids to different fathers, and getting paid by the kid to do so. It's wrong.

    I'd be interested to know about anyone producing unlimited children -
    and also some evidence of deadbeat bludgers with no dad in the house
    producing 6 kids to different fathers - and according to you getting
    paid by the kid to do so!

    Waiting, JohnO . . .

    Is 9 not enough you idiot?


    _________________________

    and as I expected you can show
    no evidence of anyone producing unlimited children
    no evidence of any deadbeat bludger
    no evidence of 6 children to different fathers,
    no evidence of the any kid paying the mother to have more
    and no evidence that this mother would have more children if she was
    paid a little more by the government.

    That's the trouble when your intelligence is limited to regurgitating the
    dogma rammed down your throat by your masters, Dickbot. You take the world far to literally.


    From the article:
    "Buchanan claimed Work and Income had known she was living there for
    over a year so she did not understand why they had only been given two
    weeks notice to get out.

    Ministry of Social Development spokeswoman Kim Going confirmed they
    were made aware of the situation in March 2016. "This is not ideal
    but...we are working to find a suitable home for Rochelle and her
    children."

    Buchanan tried to get emergency housing but her application was "put
    on hold" while she discussed options with WINZ, Going said. She was
    then referred to social service Te Tuinga Whanau but they would not be
    able to meet her until after she was due to leave.

    "We knew it was overcrowded, but we thought they'd help find us a
    house," Buchanan told the Herald.

    "They don't want to help until we're literally on the street." "
    . . . . .

    "To the people who may judge her on having so many children and
    struggling to find a house Buchanan said that this was never her plan
    to end up in this situation

    "I didn't plan on being a solo mum, but things happen." "

    Oh well that's a clever explanation! All forgiven, let her have another nine.



    What is evident from the story is that the splitting of social housing
    both with government and between government and private providers is
    resulting in one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing - and
    no-one actually sorting out problems. It illustrates a failure of
    government that after more than a year after they knew of this
    difficult situation, government had not been able to assist - there is
    indeed a crisis - a crisis caused by government incompetence,
    fragmentation of services, lack of funding, sale of social housing, an
    uncaring attitude to those in need.


    For all I know this could be your family, JohnO - somewhere their must
    be a father that if he had this article read to him should be ashamed
    of his lack of support and also ashamed of the lack of support from
    our government.

    Lack of support? The support given to useless bludgers in this country is
    incredible.


    JohnO you keep forgetting the bludging troll Rich has NO comprehension
    ability. But then what else do you expect from the abusive little troll :)

    Pooh

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, July 18, 2017 00:50:38
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another
    child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to
    restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    Should only people who can afford children have them?

    Absolutely and unequivocally: YES!

    Why would you bring children into the world when you cannot provide for
    them?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, July 18, 2017 21:24:08
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:50:38 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another
    child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to >>>> restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help:
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    Should only people who can afford children have them?

    Absolutely and unequivocally: YES!

    Why would you bring children into the world when you cannot provide for
    them?

    So you decide you can afford children, have 2 or 3, bu then a business
    falls over, or a marriage breaks up, and suddenly a mother finds
    herself trying to survive with children she cannot afford, cannot put
    back where they came from, and cannot get assistance from government .
    . .

    What should she do, Allistar?

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, July 18, 2017 23:49:54
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:50:38 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another >>>>> child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to >>>>> restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help:
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    Should only people who can afford children have them?

    Absolutely and unequivocally: YES!

    Why would you bring children into the world when you cannot provide for >>them?

    So you decide you can afford children, have 2 or 3, bu then a business
    falls over, or a marriage breaks up, and suddenly a mother finds
    herself trying to survive with children she cannot afford, cannot put
    back where they came from, and cannot get assistance from government .

    What should she do, Allistar?

    You've shifted the goal posts. I was talking about people who cannot afford children before having them and then still decide to have them.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 01:47:47
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:49:54 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:50:38 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another >>>>>> child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to >>>>>> restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state. >>>>>
    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help:
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    Should only people who can afford children have them?

    Absolutely and unequivocally: YES!

    Why would you bring children into the world when you cannot provide for >>>them?

    So you decide you can afford children, have 2 or 3, bu then a business
    falls over, or a marriage breaks up, and suddenly a mother finds
    herself trying to survive with children she cannot afford, cannot put
    back where they came from, and cannot get assistance from government .

    What should she do, Allistar?

    You've shifted the goal posts. I was talking about people who cannot afford >children before having them and then still decide to have them.

    So are you saying that welfare payments ae OK if they could afford the
    child at the time they became pregnant? What proortion of welfare
    payments are those, Allistar? Are you calling for a test of financial
    ability to provide at the time of conception? How should the
    government decide is welfare is OK wen there are children invovled
    without such a test?

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 16:01:27
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:49:54 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:50:38 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet
    another child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out >>>>>>> another to restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state. >>>>>>
    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing >>>>> of people who need help:
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    Should only people who can afford children have them?

    Absolutely and unequivocally: YES!

    Why would you bring children into the world when you cannot provide for >>>>them?

    So you decide you can afford children, have 2 or 3, bu then a business
    falls over, or a marriage breaks up, and suddenly a mother finds
    herself trying to survive with children she cannot afford, cannot put
    back where they came from, and cannot get assistance from government .

    What should she do, Allistar?

    You've shifted the goal posts. I was talking about people who cannot
    afford children before having them and then still decide to have them.

    So are you saying that welfare payments ae OK if they could afford the
    child at the time they became pregnant?

    No.

    What proortion of welfare
    payments are those, Allistar?

    This is your strawman. You're begging the question. That's dishonest.

    Are you calling for a test of financial
    ability to provide at the time of conception?

    Another strawman.

    How should the
    government decide is welfare is OK wen there are children invovled
    without such a test?

    I don't think any welfare provided via private property confiscation is ok.

    Back to my point: if you cannot afford to have a child then it is
    irresponsible to have one.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, July 20, 2017 00:17:23
    On 18/07/2017 9:24 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:50:38 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another >>>>> child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to >>>>> restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    Should only people who can afford children have them?

    Absolutely and unequivocally: YES!

    Why would you bring children into the world when you cannot provide for
    them?

    So you decide you can afford children, have 2 or 3, bu then a business
    falls over, or a marriage breaks up, and suddenly a mother finds
    herself trying to survive with children she cannot afford, cannot put
    back where they came from, and cannot get assistance from government .
    . .


    As usual you ignore the many solo mothers with three or more kids to
    different fathers bleating about poverty Rich. But that's okay, it's all
    we can expect from a trolling Labour/Green apologist desperatly hoping
    people will ignore the fact Labour/Green are happy to support criminals
    in their drive to get their snouts further into the trough!
    What should she do, Allistar?


    Keep her legs together or insist her partner uses a condom!

    Pooh

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 21, 2017 13:17:50
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:24:08 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:50:38 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:43:29 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    JohnO wrote:

    $3k pa breeder bonus. Labour will pay you $3k pa to breed yet another >>>>> child. Payment until age two. But don't worry, just pop out another to >>>>> restart the payments.

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/baby-bribes.html

    Labour sure do know how to trap people in a dependence on the state.

    Encouraging irresponsibility like that is despicable.

    Labour are not encouraging the irresponsibility of heartless bashing
    of people who need help:
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201851056/should-only-people-who-can-afford-children-have-them

    Should only people who can afford children have them?

    Absolutely and unequivocally: YES!

    Why would you bring children into the world when you cannot provide for >>them?

    So you decide you can afford children, have 2 or 3, bu then a business
    falls over, or a marriage breaks up, and suddenly a mother finds
    herself trying to survive with children she cannot afford, cannot put
    back where they came from, and cannot get assistance from government .
    . .

    What should she do, Allistar?

    That is not the pointy Allistar was debating. Allistar was talking
    about parents who decide to have children without first considering
    whether they can afford them.

    Rich, what you are attempting to do is to 'shift the goalpost' to how
    a parent with children deals with the effects of unforeseeable
    financial problems. That is entirely another matter.


    --
    Crash McBash

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