JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 23 June 2017 11:31:07 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:20:34 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

Labour's come up with some "optimistic" plans to build houses. I'd
always written them off as nonsense. Anyone who's tried to build
or renovate a house lately knows how difficult it is to find builders,
labourers and tradies.

Indeed I agree with you that the current government has not been very
good about ensuring that thre is incentive for firms to train New
Zealanders for many jobs in the building trade.

You know that's not what I said. Why is it so hard for you to argue

Much easier for
National to just admit more foreign workers at low wages. Its not just

You can't get a foreign tradesman any cheaper than a local one, you ignorant >fool.

You can get foreign labourers though. Locals think themselves above doing

dirty work and would rather go on the cushy and generous benefit instead.

the building industry of course - there have been a lot of those
'essential workers" - barristas - brought in as well; apparently they
are difficult to get in New Zealand - well at least at the wages
employers and teh NAtional party want employers to have to pay . . .

WTF? Employers pay based on supply and demand. The government doesn't

that because we are not a communist, centrally controlled state.

So how on earth could Labour build tens or hundreds of thousands of

in this worker deprived market?

By encouraging local training of course - their plan to restrict

Local training is readily available. Why is it you think the government has

hold everyone by the nose and force them down a path?

foreign contractors unless employers are prepared to also train locals

WTF? There are plenty of local employers offering training. Everything you >post is a load if made-up bullshit and it is very, very obvious.

will have an impact fairly quickly. The other area they may look at
are our internationally high prices for materials - apparently it is
possbile to import a house for assembly in New Zealand from the UK or
Europe cheaper than it would cost here - even with the cost of

Cite.

Did you miss the word "apparently" JohnO?

It's a Rich euphamism for "I am making this up"!

transport being added! A competitive industry for the supply of
materials may bring prices down, and a thousand or so standard homes
bought in bulk may reduce the cost - even Australian businesses may be
prepared to ramp up factories to supply! Certainly one thing we do
know - Labour/Green will use the power of government to help our

You are saying it is not competitive? Cite? If someone is operating in an

competitive way let us know and tell the Commerce Commission instead of >bullshitting here.

people have somewhere to live; they are not defeatist about it as
your question suggests the current government is!

But now I can see! Hallelujah! They're going to ship in unpaid student
"interns", put them up in tent shanties and get them doing the labouring. >>

I haven't seen that suggested by anyone but yourself - if that is the

Not suggested... DONE BY LABOUR, for campaign workers.

best you think National can do then no wonder the "right" are
concerned. Do you think Bill English lying to parliament was just an
attempt to district from the housing crisis and lack of government
ideas for how to fix it that you have identified?

Brilliant! Where can I get me some o' dem free slaves, Labour?

Dickbot, you're a lying fool. And pretty much everyone knows it. Your every >post here damages Labour and the left.

Tony