• Productivity and targeted skills/job matching and New Zealand's chronic

    From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, June 17, 2017 19:34:44
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11876548

    Locked into its high cost/low wage economy, an uncertain future now beckons.

    With "The 1%" holding most of the wealth and power over its distribution, and with automation ramping up along with increasing populations, the best you can hope for is a future that demands ever higher required skills rewarded by ever lower incomes for
    those at the workface.

    So, with your children's and your children's children in mind, how do you feel about that?

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to All on Saturday, June 17, 2017 22:23:06
    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11876548

    Locked into its high cost/low wage economy, an uncertain future now beckons.

    With "The 1%" holding most of the wealth and power over its distribution, and >with automation ramping up along with increasing populations, the best you can >hope for is a future that demands ever higher required skills rewarded by ever >lower incomes for those at the workface.

    So, with your children's and your children's children in mind, how do you feel >about that?
    Fascinating!
    Not the story but your take on it! Seems a bit negative to me, but then I am a glass half full peson; you?
    Oh I should point out the less than subtle suggestion that this ia a National government failure (note the mention of the "past nine years") - does he seriously think this is an issue that has existed for only nine years? Amazing! Tony

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to dot nz on Sunday, June 18, 2017 17:28:03
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 22:23:06 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11876548 >>
    Locked into its high cost/low wage economy, an uncertain future now beckons. >>
    With "The 1%" holding most of the wealth and power over its distribution, and >>with automation ramping up along with increasing populations, the best you can
    hope for is a future that demands ever higher required skills rewarded by ever
    lower incomes for those at the workface.

    So, with your children's and your children's children in mind, how do you feel
    about that?
    Fascinating!
    Not the story but your take on it! Seems a bit negative to me, but then I am a >glass half full peson; you?
    Oh I should point out the less than subtle suggestion that this ia a National >government failure (note the mention of the "past nine years") - does he >seriously think this is an issue that has existed for only nine years? Amazing!
    Tony

    Try this extract:
    "Unfortunately, since then the GFC companies have retrenched. They've
    focused on costs and paying down debt. Labour productivity has fallen
    all over the developed world.

    Employers have kind of got away with it because workers haven't had
    much bargaining power.

    The demise of unions, the casualisation of the workforce and
    globalisation that allows manufacturing and (thanks to the internet)
    service jobs to be outsourced to cheaper markets - has added up to
    workers getting a smaller share of the economic returns from their
    labour than they used to.

    At least that's what the OECD research says.

    Now low unemployment and skills shortages should start to put a bit of
    pressure on employers. If they want to get into expansion mode they
    need to start reinvesting - in capital and workers."
    — — — — — — — —
    Looking at the post GFC period does sort of limit the scope, but the
    mention of demise of unions, casualisation of the workforce and
    outsourcing have also been particular features of the period of the National-led governments. Also in recent years is the effect of
    reductions in support for trade training, and higher immigration to
    fill labour gaps (apparently we just couldn't train enough of our own
    people to become baristas . . .) - while further encouraging low
    wages.
    Contrast then the confident then leader of the opposition promising
    that we would "catch up with Australia" - and this progress report
    from 2010: http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3414359/Kiwi-wages-slip-further-behind

    Now Key's promises were always unachievable, but they delivered votes
    and that is all that matteredat that time; but its worse than just not
    catching up - New Zealand has actually fallen behind. That New
    Zealanders are being treated badly in Australia is because there were
    so many wanting to find jobs there - finally even the Liberal Party
    realised that Australia was racting badly to the increased housing
    costs, competition for jobs, and infractructure costs generated by
    immigration - and immigration from New Zealand was largely
    uncontrolled.

    Modern problems, Tony, yes some have their roots in small trends from
    over a decade ago, but lets keep the "Its all Labours fault"or "but
    they all do it" for cases that are actually relevant, shall we?

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Sunday, June 18, 2017 16:48:25
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 22:23:06 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote: >>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11876548 >>>
    Locked into its high cost/low wage economy, an uncertain future now beckons. >>>

    With "The 1%" holding most of the wealth and power over its distribution, >>>and
    with automation ramping up along with increasing populations, the best you >>>can
    hope for is a future that demands ever higher required skills rewarded by >>>ever
    lower incomes for those at the workface.

    So, with your children's and your children's children in mind, how do you >>>feel
    about that?
    Fascinating!
    Not the story but your take on it! Seems a bit negative to me, but then I am >>a
    glass half full peson; you?
    Oh I should point out the less than subtle suggestion that this ia a National >>government failure (note the mention of the "past nine years") - does he >>seriously think this is an issue that has existed for only nine years? >>Amazing!
    Tony

    Try this extract:
    "Unfortunately, since then the GFC companies have retrenched. They've
    focused on costs and paying down debt. Labour productivity has fallen
    all over the developed world.

    Employers have kind of got away with it because workers haven't had
    much bargaining power.

    The demise of unions, the casualisation of the workforce and
    globalisation that allows manufacturing and (thanks to the internet)
    service jobs to be outsourced to cheaper markets - has added up to
    workers getting a smaller share of the economic returns from their
    labour than they used to.

    At least that's what the OECD research says.

    Now low unemployment and skills shortages should start to put a bit of >pressure on employers. If they want to get into expansion mode they
    need to start reinvesting - in capital and workers."
    — — — — — — — —
    Looking at the post GFC period does sort of limit the scope, but the
    mention of demise of unions, casualisation of the workforce and
    outsourcing have also been particular features of the period of the >National-led governments. Also in recent years is the effect of
    reductions in support for trade training, and higher immigration to
    fill labour gaps (apparently we just couldn't train enough of our own
    people to become baristas . . .) - while further encouraging low
    wages.
    The essential "demise" of the unions started last century, when compulsory unionism was finally abandoned after it became obvious to even labour supporters that the average pwerson did not want to be forced to belong to an organisation that was effectively a thinly veiled political organisation. >Contrast then the confident then leader of the opposition promising
    that we would "catch up with Australia" - and this progress report
    from 2010: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3414359/Kiwi-wages-slip-further-behind

    Now Key's promises were always unachievable, but they delivered votes
    and that is all that matteredat that time; but its worse than just not >catching up - New Zealand has actually fallen behind. That New
    Zealanders are being treated badly in Australia is because there were
    so many wanting to find jobs there - finally even the Liberal Party
    realised that Australia was racting badly to the increased housing
    costs, competition for jobs, and infractructure costs generated by >immigration - and immigration from New Zealand was largely
    uncontrolled.

    Modern problems, Tony, yes some have their roots in small trends from
    over a decade ago, but lets keep the "Its all Labours fault"or "but
    they all do it" for cases that are actually relevant, shall we?
    Modern problems that go back decades in fact, and I didn't mention the Labour party but since you have then of course it is relevant.

    Tony

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