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On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

I'm OK, but thanks for your concern, JohnO. The people that need help
are those that National has left behind, with higher costs, lower
incomes, and then the difficulty of finding somewhere to live. The
failure of National is now affecting us all - but especially local
businesses that are finding that many people just do not have money to
spend.

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On 6/15/2017 7:51 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

A moaning Aussie?
Who'd have thought it...


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On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

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On Thursday, 15 June 2017 08:20:14 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

I'm OK, but thanks for your concern, JohnO.

Actually Dickbot, you are not OK if you think one anecdotal whinging Aussie having a wee cry trumps the following:
- Net migration has reversed from a flood out of NZ into Australia to a flood into NZ from Australia.
- Australia has higher unemployment than NZ.
- Australia has an uncontrollable budget deficit that is ever growing vs NZ has
a budget surplus that is growing
- Australia has a higher debt to GDP ration than NZ.

The people that need help
are those that National has left behind, with higher costs, lower
incomes,

Oh really? Who has lower incomes, Dickbot? NZ has wage inflation, not deflation. Facts continue to smack down your lies, Dickbot.

and then the difficulty of finding somewhere to live. The

Try finding a house in Sydney, Dickbot. Or Melbourne.

failure of National is now affecting us all - but especially local
businesses that are finding that many people just do not have money to
spend.

Oh really? That little story of yours conflicts with the hard fact that NZ has GDP growth. Just to explain that for dummies like you Dickbot, that means people are spending more. And NZ's GDP growth is about 50% higher than Australia's (3.4% vs 2.3%) so
people in NZ are increasing their spend faster than in Australia.

As always, Dickbot, it is easy to destroy your bullshit with a few hard facts.

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Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

I'm OK, but thanks for your concern, JohnO. The people that need help
are those that National has left behind, with higher costs, lower
incomes, and then the difficulty of finding somewhere to live. The
failure of National is now affecting us all - but especially local
businesses that are finding that many people just do not have money to
spend.

Maybe you should move your concern to the Kiwis who are living in Ozzy
and are treated like 2nd class citizens because of Helen Clark
thought this was the way to go..

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On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 8:51:24 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 15 June 2017 08:20:14 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

I'm OK, but thanks for your concern, JohnO.

Actually Dickbot, you are not OK if you think one anecdotal whinging Aussie

having a wee cry trumps the following:

- Net migration has reversed from a flood out of NZ into Australia to a flood

into NZ from Australia.

- Australia has higher unemployment than NZ.
- Australia has an uncontrollable budget deficit that is ever growing vs NZ

has a budget surplus that is growing

- Australia has a higher debt to GDP ration than NZ.

The people that need help
are those that National has left behind, with higher costs, lower
incomes,

Oh really? Who has lower incomes, Dickbot? NZ has wage inflation, not

deflation. Facts continue to smack down your lies, Dickbot.

and then the difficulty of finding somewhere to live. The

Try finding a house in Sydney, Dickbot. Or Melbourne.

failure of National is now affecting us all - but especially local businesses that are finding that many people just do not have money to spend.

Oh really? That little story of yours conflicts with the hard fact that NZ
has GDP growth. Just to explain that for dummies like you Dickbot, that means people are spending more.

In fact, you may well find that while the total spend is more that increase is being shared between a greater number of people due to record immigration numbers.

And NZ's GDP growth is about 50% higher than Australia's (3.4% vs 2.3%) so

people in NZ are increasing their spend faster than in Australia.

As I said...

As always, Dickbot, it is easy to destroy your bullshit with a few hard

facts.


You seem to have the hard facts at your fingertips so:

If the NZ economy is doing so well and wages have been "inflating," then why have WFF benefits been increased and not reduced? (Fran O'Sullivan, for one, thinks that, as economic signals go, this is about as dismal as it gets.)

Our **balance** of trade has averaged "negative" for at least 40 years. How do you think the recent increase in our **terms** of trade will cause it to improve?

NZ'ers may well be spending more, but household debt-to-income ratio is now at an all time high at 170% of income. And still rising. While this growing household indebtedness may be good for foreign-owned banks, is it also even better for the future
health of the New Zealand economy? If so, how so?

Much of this debt is down to trading in property. So what is so economically beneficial about the continuing investment in debt-driven zero-productivity asset-exchange investment, rather than increasing investment in growing the productive economy in
which per-capita "real" GDP has (reportedly) remained stagnant for the past 40-50 years?

And so on...

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On Thursday, 15 June 2017 11:38:57 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 8:51:24 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 15 June 2017 08:20:14 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

I'm OK, but thanks for your concern, JohnO.

Actually Dickbot, you are not OK if you think one anecdotal whinging Aussie

having a wee cry trumps the following:

- Net migration has reversed from a flood out of NZ into Australia to a

flood into NZ from Australia.

- Australia has higher unemployment than NZ.
- Australia has an uncontrollable budget deficit that is ever growing vs NZ

has a budget surplus that is growing

- Australia has a higher debt to GDP ration than NZ.

The people that need help
are those that National has left behind, with higher costs, lower incomes,

Oh really? Who has lower incomes, Dickbot? NZ has wage inflation, not

deflation. Facts continue to smack down your lies, Dickbot.

and then the difficulty of finding somewhere to live. The

Try finding a house in Sydney, Dickbot. Or Melbourne.

failure of National is now affecting us all - but especially local businesses that are finding that many people just do not have money to spend.

Oh really? That little story of yours conflicts with the hard fact that NZ

has GDP growth. Just to explain that for dummies like you Dickbot, that means people are spending more.

In fact, you may well find that while the total spend is more that increase

is being shared between a greater number of people due to record immigration numbers.

And NZ's GDP growth is about 50% higher than Australia's (3.4% vs 2.3%) so

people in NZ are increasing their spend faster than in Australia.

As I said...

As always, Dickbot, it is easy to destroy your bullshit with a few hard

facts.

You seem to have the hard facts at your fingertips so:

If the NZ economy is doing so well and wages have been "inflating," then why

have WFF benefits been increased and not reduced?

Vote buying, pure and simple.

(Fran O'Sullivan, for one, thinks that, as economic signals go, this is about as dismal as it gets.)

Our **balance** of trade has averaged "negative" for at least 40 years. How

do you think the recent increase in our **terms** of trade will cause it to improve?

NZ'ers may well be spending more, but household debt-to-income ratio is now

at an all time high at 170% of income. And still rising. While this growing household indebtedness may be good for foreign-owned banks, is it also even better for the future
health of the New Zealand economy? If so, how so?

House debt is a side issue to this discussion.

Much of this debt is down to trading in property. So what is so economically

beneficial about the continuing investment in debt-driven zero-productivity asset-exchange investment, rather than increasing investment in growing the productive economy in
which per-capita "real" GDP has (reportedly) remained stagnant for the past 40-50 years?

Nothing, but your question is off topic - the moaning Australian and the comparison to their economy.

And so on...

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

Best I can do? What are you talking about, JohnO? I was drawing an
article to your attention about a new immigrant noticing how much
worse we are than even Australia!

But then you know that National promised to close the gap with
Australia (wage gap, that is) - you will appreciate that the
Nat-spinners don't talk about that any more - they have run out of
ideas, but were never terribly interested anyway - it conflicts with
maximising company profits, which deliver them political donations . .
But the issue is not going away - it is becoming a defining difference
between National and Labour - National only want whats good for the
wealthy - Labour wants us all to prosper

So read this and weep http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93679813/grant-duncan-widening-inequality-fuels-high-level-of-discontent-among-kiwis

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On Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:17:02 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

Best I can do? What are you talking about, JohnO? I was drawing an
article to your attention about a new immigrant noticing how much
worse we are than even Australia!

But then you know that National promised to close the gap with
Australia (wage gap, that is) - you will appreciate that the
Nat-spinners don't talk about that any more - they have run out of
ideas, but were never terribly interested anyway - it conflicts with maximising company profits, which deliver them political donations . .
But the issue is not going away - it is becoming a defining difference between National and Labour - National only want whats good for the
wealthy - Labour wants us all to prosper

The defining difference between National and Labour is that Labour left the Nats with a structural deficit aka "decade of deficits" whereas the Nats have turned that around into structural surplus.

So read this and weep http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93679813/grant-duncan-widening-inequality-fuels-high-level-of-discontent-among-kiwis

There is no widening inequality. You've had your nose rubbed in this fact many times. The GINI coefficient - the most widely used measure of inequality - has been flat for a decade. Stop spreading lies.

Gotta laugh at that academic and his self selected "survey". Did you even read this bit:
"As a reader-initiated online survey, it is not calibrated to represent the population. For instance, "the discontented" may well have felt more motivated to participate. But the number who completed it is an eye-popping 39,644 – more than 1 per cent
of the voting population."

The various mainstream election preference polls have always been within a few percent of the election results but this one's miles out. Never trust self selected polls, nor those that don't prevent activists from voting more than once.


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On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:15:03 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:17:02 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

Best I can do? What are you talking about, JohnO? I was drawing an
article to your attention about a new immigrant noticing how much
worse we are than even Australia!

But then you know that National promised to close the gap with
Australia (wage gap, that is) - you will appreciate that the
Nat-spinners don't talk about that any more - they have run out of
ideas, but were never terribly interested anyway - it conflicts with
maximising company profits, which deliver them political donations . .
But the issue is not going away - it is becoming a defining difference
between National and Labour - National only want whats good for the
wealthy - Labour wants us all to prosper

The defining difference between National and Labour is that Labour left the Nats with a structural deficit aka "decade of deficits" whereas the Nats have turned that around into structural surplus.

Is this the article you are referring to? http://stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/economic_indicators/balance_of_payments/BalanceOfPayments_MRMar17qtr.aspx

So read this and weep
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93679813/grant-duncan-widening-inequality-fuels-high-level-of-discontent-among-kiwis

There is no widening inequality. You've had your nose rubbed in this fact many

times. The GINI coefficient - the most widely used measure of inequality - has been flat for a decade. Stop spreading lies.

Gotta laugh at that academic and his self selected "survey". Did you even read

this bit:

"As a reader-initiated online survey, it is not calibrated to represent the population. For instance, "the discontented" may well have felt more motivated to participate. But the number who completed it is an eye-popping 39,644 – more

than 1 per cent of
the voting population."

The various mainstream election preference polls have always been within a few

percent of the election results but this one's miles out. Never trust self selected polls, nor those that don't prevent activists from voting more than once.




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On Friday, 16 June 2017 08:28:32 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:15:03 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:17:02 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

Best I can do? What are you talking about, JohnO? I was drawing an
article to your attention about a new immigrant noticing how much
worse we are than even Australia!

But then you know that National promised to close the gap with
Australia (wage gap, that is) - you will appreciate that the
Nat-spinners don't talk about that any more - they have run out of
ideas, but were never terribly interested anyway - it conflicts with
maximising company profits, which deliver them political donations . .
But the issue is not going away - it is becoming a defining difference
between National and Labour - National only want whats good for the
wealthy - Labour wants us all to prosper

The defining difference between National and Labour is that Labour left the

Nats with a structural deficit aka "decade of deficits" whereas the Nats have turned that around into structural surplus.

Is this the article you are referring to? http://stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/economic_indicators/balance_of_payments/BalanceOfPayments_MRMar17qtr.aspx

No, you financially illiterate dimwit. That has nothing to do with government surpluses and deficits.

So read this and weep
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93679813/grant-duncan-widening-inequality-fuels-high-level-of-discontent-among-kiwis

There is no widening inequality. You've had your nose rubbed in this fact

many times. The GINI coefficient - the most widely used measure of inequality -
has been flat for a decade. Stop spreading lies.

Gotta laugh at that academic and his self selected "survey". Did you even

read this bit:

"As a reader-initiated online survey, it is not calibrated to represent the

population. For instance, "the discontented" may well have felt more motivated to participate. But the number who completed it is an eye-popping 39,644 – more than 1 per
cent of the voting population."

The various mainstream election preference polls have always been within a

few percent of the election results but this one's miles out. Never trust self selected polls, nor those that don't prevent activists from voting more than once.




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On 15/06/2017 8:20 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:15:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93441299/moving-to-nz-was-a-culture-shock-even-for-an-aussie

Is that the best you can do? You really need to get help, Dickbot.

I'm OK, but thanks for your concern, JohnO. The people that need help
are those that National has left behind, with higher costs, lower
incomes, and then the difficulty of finding somewhere to live. The
failure of National is now affecting us all - but especially local
businesses that are finding that many people just do not have money to
spend.

Your desperation is showing Rich. Try getting your head out of your arse
and believing everything that comes out of the Labour propaganda machine.

Pooh

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