• Will Brownlee go this time?

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, June 12, 2017 13:06:25
    As predicted the UN asked New Zealand to tell them about theeir
    response to allegations in a book by Stephenson and Hager

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/united-nations-asks-nz-government-to-fully-investigate-afghan-raid.html

    "The United Nations Committee Against Torture has released a list of
    questions for New Zealand to answer prior to an examination by the
    committee in Geneva. The date for the examination is likely to be in
    2019.

    The question relating to the Afghan raid allegations says:

    "Please indicate what measures the State party has put in place to
    ensure that all allegations relating to 'Operation Burnham', a raid of
    two villages in the Baghlan province in Afghanistan by the New Zealand
    Defence Forces on 22 August 2010, will be fully investigated and
    addressed."
    "

    and in the video with the article, we learned that the Defence force
    has now acknowledged a suspected civilian casualty during an SIS
    raised in Afgahanistan .

    Now there may have been time for the government to have just stalled
    until after the election, but Brownlee went public with a statement
    that is clearly not true.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93512356/War-of-words-as-Brownlee-rounds-on-UN-question-about-Afghan-raid-and-inaccurate-media

    It is hard to see why Brownlee has now chosen to lie - the one
    consistent unforgivable sin with National Party is not to do the wrong
    thing, but to be caught.

    Brownlee has claimed that the allegations about conduct on the raid
    have been disproven. All that was disproven from the allegation in the
    book by Stephenson and Hager was that they had the coordinates wrong
    for the village - and that the NZ Defence Force mis-named the village
    - score even, but neither related to the allegations.

    Will Brownlee lose his cabinet position?

    English must know that the publicity arising from Brownlees
    "mis-statement" will not be lost with the media - they will want to
    see an independent investigation - and there is likely to be pressure
    for that to report back prior to the election . . .

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 15, 2017 20:23:00
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    As predicted the UN asked New Zealand to tell them about theeir
    response to allegations in a book by Stephenson and Hager

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/united-nations-asks-nz-government-to-fully-investigate-afghan-raid.html

    "The United Nations Committee Against Torture has released a list of >questions for New Zealand to answer prior to an examination by the
    committee in Geneva. The date for the examination is likely to be in
    2019.

    The question relating to the Afghan raid allegations says:

    "Please indicate what measures the State party has put in place to
    ensure that all allegations relating to 'Operation Burnham', a raid of
    two villages in the Baghlan province in Afghanistan by the New Zealand >Defence Forces on 22 August 2010, will be fully investigated and
    addressed."
    "

    and in the video with the article, we learned that the Defence force
    has now acknowledged a suspected civilian casualty during an SIS
    raised in Afgahanistan .

    Now there may have been time for the government to have just stalled
    until after the election, but Brownlee went public with a statement
    that is clearly not true.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93512356/War-of-words-as-Brownlee-rounds-on-UN-question-about-Afghan-raid-and-inaccurate-media

    It is hard to see why Brownlee has now chosen to lie - the one
    consistent unforgivable sin with National Party is not to do the wrong
    thing, but to be caught.

    Brownlee has claimed that the allegations about conduct on the raid
    have been disproven. All that was disproven from the allegation in the
    book by Stephenson and Hager was that they had the coordinates wrong
    for the village - and that the NZ Defence Force mis-named the village
    - score even, but neither related to the allegations.

    Will Brownlee lose his cabinet position?

    English must know that the publicity arising from Brownlees
    "mis-statement" will not be lost with the media - they will want to
    see an independent investigation - and there is likely to be pressure
    for that to report back prior to the election . . .
    Wow, you must be disappointed - barely a mention in any media other than the bloggers (they don't count).
    Tony

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to nor...@googlegroups.com on Thursday, June 15, 2017 19:56:19
    On Friday, 16 June 2017 13:23:06 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    As predicted the UN asked New Zealand to tell them about theeir
    response to allegations in a book by Stephenson and Hager

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/united-nations-asks-nz-government-to-fully-investigate-afghan-raid.html

    "The United Nations Committee Against Torture has released a list of >questions for New Zealand to answer prior to an examination by the >committee in Geneva. The date for the examination is likely to be in
    2019.

    The question relating to the Afghan raid allegations says:

    "Please indicate what measures the State party has put in place to
    ensure that all allegations relating to 'Operation Burnham', a raid of
    two villages in the Baghlan province in Afghanistan by the New Zealand >Defence Forces on 22 August 2010, will be fully investigated and >addressed."
    "

    and in the video with the article, we learned that the Defence force
    has now acknowledged a suspected civilian casualty during an SIS
    raised in Afgahanistan .

    Now there may have been time for the government to have just stalled
    until after the election, but Brownlee went public with a statement
    that is clearly not true.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93512356/War-of-words-as-Brownlee-rounds-on-UN-question-about-Afghan-raid-and-inaccurate-media

    It is hard to see why Brownlee has now chosen to lie - the one
    consistent unforgivable sin with National Party is not to do the wrong >thing, but to be caught.

    Brownlee has claimed that the allegations about conduct on the raid
    have been disproven. All that was disproven from the allegation in the
    book by Stephenson and Hager was that they had the coordinates wrong
    for the village - and that the NZ Defence Force mis-named the village
    - score even, but neither related to the allegations.

    Will Brownlee lose his cabinet position?

    English must know that the publicity arising from Brownlees
    "mis-statement" will not be lost with the media - they will want to
    see an independent investigation - and there is likely to be pressure
    for that to report back prior to the election . . .
    Wow, you must be disappointed - barely a mention in any media other than the bloggers (they don't count).
    Tony

    Dickbot will be pretty desperate to throw some mud around after the last couple
    of poll results.

    Diversion is the best thing when you're polling less than 30% and sinking.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Friday, June 16, 2017 15:37:22
    On 6/16/2017 2:56 PM, JohnO wrote:

    Dickbot will be pretty desperate to throw some mud around after the last
    couple of poll results.

    Diversion is the best thing when you're polling less than 30% and sinking.


    Pretty poor attempt.
    The skeletal one can't even get the site of his lies correct.
    That should be warning enough that its all BS

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to dot nz on Friday, June 16, 2017 17:34:22
    On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:23:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    As predicted the UN asked New Zealand to tell them about theeir
    response to allegations in a book by Stephenson and Hager
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/united-nations-asks-nz-government-to-fully-investigate-afghan-raid.html

    "The United Nations Committee Against Torture has released a list of >>questions for New Zealand to answer prior to an examination by the >>committee in Geneva. The date for the examination is likely to be in
    2019.

    The question relating to the Afghan raid allegations says:

    "Please indicate what measures the State party has put in place to
    ensure that all allegations relating to 'Operation Burnham', a raid of
    two villages in the Baghlan province in Afghanistan by the New Zealand >>Defence Forces on 22 August 2010, will be fully investigated and >>addressed."
    "

    and in the video with the article, we learned that the Defence force
    has now acknowledged a suspected civilian casualty during an SIS
    raised in Afgahanistan .

    Now there may have been time for the government to have just stalled
    until after the election, but Brownlee went public with a statement
    that is clearly not true.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93512356/War-of-words-as-Brownlee-rounds-on-UN-question-about-Afghan-raid-and-inaccurate-media

    It is hard to see why Brownlee has now chosen to lie - the one
    consistent unforgivable sin with National Party is not to do the wrong >>thing, but to be caught.

    Brownlee has claimed that the allegations about conduct on the raid
    have been disproven. All that was disproven from the allegation in the
    book by Stephenson and Hager was that they had the coordinates wrong
    for the village - and that the NZ Defence Force mis-named the village
    - score even, but neither related to the allegations.

    Will Brownlee lose his cabinet position?

    English must know that the publicity arising from Brownlees
    "mis-statement" will not be lost with the media - they will want to
    see an independent investigation - and there is likely to be pressure
    for that to report back prior to the election . . .
    Wow, you must be disappointed - barely a mention in any media other than the >bloggers (they don't count).
    Tony

    There is plenty of time; in a few weeks someone will seek further
    information about the response from the NZ Government. The blogs are
    often ahead of journalists, but at this one did get noticed by at last
    one outlet.

    Brownlee will of course not go at this time - to get sacked by
    National an MP has to severely embarass the leader or the party, or be
    found guilty of something in a court. Avoiding responsibility is
    expected within the party.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Saturday, June 17, 2017 16:46:58
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:23:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    As predicted the UN asked New Zealand to tell them about theeir
    response to allegations in a book by Stephenson and Hager
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/united-nations-asks-nz-government-to-fully-investigate-afghan-raid.html

    "The United Nations Committee Against Torture has released a list of >>>questions for New Zealand to answer prior to an examination by the >>>committee in Geneva. The date for the examination is likely to be in >>>2019.

    The question relating to the Afghan raid allegations says:

    "Please indicate what measures the State party has put in place to
    ensure that all allegations relating to 'Operation Burnham', a raid of >>>two villages in the Baghlan province in Afghanistan by the New Zealand >>>Defence Forces on 22 August 2010, will be fully investigated and >>>addressed."
    "

    and in the video with the article, we learned that the Defence force
    has now acknowledged a suspected civilian casualty during an SIS
    raised in Afgahanistan .

    Now there may have been time for the government to have just stalled >>>until after the election, but Brownlee went public with a statement
    that is clearly not true.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93512356/War-of-words-as-Brownlee-rounds-on-UN-question-about-Afghan-raid-and-inaccurate-media

    It is hard to see why Brownlee has now chosen to lie - the one
    consistent unforgivable sin with National Party is not to do the wrong >>>thing, but to be caught.

    Brownlee has claimed that the allegations about conduct on the raid
    have been disproven. All that was disproven from the allegation in the >>>book by Stephenson and Hager was that they had the coordinates wrong
    for the village - and that the NZ Defence Force mis-named the village
    - score even, but neither related to the allegations.

    Will Brownlee lose his cabinet position?

    English must know that the publicity arising from Brownlees >>>"mis-statement" will not be lost with the media - they will want to
    see an independent investigation - and there is likely to be pressure
    for that to report back prior to the election . . .
    Wow, you must be disappointed - barely a mention in any media other than the >>bloggers (they don't count).
    Tony

    There is plenty of time; in a few weeks someone will seek further
    information about the response from the NZ Government. The blogs are
    often ahead of journalists, but at this one did get noticed by at last
    one outlet.

    Brownlee will of course not go at this time - to get sacked by
    National an MP has to severely embarass the leader or the party, or be
    found guilty of something in a court. Avoiding responsibility is
    expected within the party.
    The same applies to Labour, I recall a Prime Minister who signed a painting she did not paint - did she resign?
    I recall an MP who did not qualify to be elected and a Labour government that changed the rules after the event. There is plenty more.
    Tony

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, June 20, 2017 00:07:04
    On 16/06/2017 5:34 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:23:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    As predicted the UN asked New Zealand to tell them about theeir
    response to allegations in a book by Stephenson and Hager

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/united-nations-asks-nz-government-to-fully-investigate-afghan-raid.html

    "The United Nations Committee Against Torture has released a list of
    questions for New Zealand to answer prior to an examination by the
    committee in Geneva. The date for the examination is likely to be in
    2019.

    The question relating to the Afghan raid allegations says:

    "Please indicate what measures the State party has put in place to
    ensure that all allegations relating to 'Operation Burnham', a raid of
    two villages in the Baghlan province in Afghanistan by the New Zealand
    Defence Forces on 22 August 2010, will be fully investigated and
    addressed."
    "

    and in the video with the article, we learned that the Defence force
    has now acknowledged a suspected civilian casualty during an SIS
    raised in Afgahanistan .

    Now there may have been time for the government to have just stalled
    until after the election, but Brownlee went public with a statement
    that is clearly not true.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93512356/War-of-words-as-Brownlee-rounds-on-UN-question-about-Afghan-raid-and-inaccurate-media

    It is hard to see why Brownlee has now chosen to lie - the one
    consistent unforgivable sin with National Party is not to do the wrong
    thing, but to be caught.

    Brownlee has claimed that the allegations about conduct on the raid
    have been disproven. All that was disproven from the allegation in the
    book by Stephenson and Hager was that they had the coordinates wrong
    for the village - and that the NZ Defence Force mis-named the village
    - score even, but neither related to the allegations.

    Will Brownlee lose his cabinet position?

    English must know that the publicity arising from Brownlees
    "mis-statement" will not be lost with the media - they will want to
    see an independent investigation - and there is likely to be pressure
    for that to report back prior to the election . . .
    Wow, you must be disappointed - barely a mention in any media other than the >> bloggers (they don't count).
    Tony

    There is plenty of time; in a few weeks someone will seek further
    information about the response from the NZ Government. The blogs are
    often ahead of journalists, but at this one did get noticed by at last
    one outlet.

    Brownlee will of course not go at this time - to get sacked by
    National an MP has to severely embarass the leader or the party, or be
    found guilty of something in a court. Avoiding responsibility is
    expected within the party.

    Once again you give a perfect description of Helen Clark's Labour
    government and the current union hacks busy destroying the Labour
    movement by burying it under the load of bullshit they're spouting.

    Pooh

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