On 6/02/2016 10:19 a.m., Tony wrote:

Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/372164/maori-opposition-tpp-means-silent-kiwis-will-back-key

Another piece of clever writing that ably demonstrates the ineptness of the labour party. Somebody will call me a nat-bot (that's bullshit) I am however vastly disappointed in the quality of the current opposition which is a very different thing. Can you imagine Helen Clark ever making these stupid

mistakes?

Tony

Goff wouldn't have. Shearer wouldn't have, and I doubt even Cunliffe
would have.

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Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/372164/maori-opposition-tpp-means-silent-kiwis-will-back-key

Another piece of clever writing that ably demonstrates the ineptness of
the
labour party. Somebody will call me a nat-bot (that's bullshit) I am
however
vastly disappointed in the quality of the current opposition which is a
very
different thing. Can you imagine Helen Clark ever making these stupid mistakes?
Tony

It's given me some hope that the msm can research and report news
accuratly. Well done piece.

Pooh

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 09:14:55 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/372164/maori-opposition-tpp-means-silent-kiwis-will-back-key

I doubt it was written, or posted, especially for me. Audrey Young is
of course close to National - as you would expect given that her
father was Venn Young (National 1966 to 1990), and her brother is
Jonathan Young (National 2008 - ). She does however acknowledge the
failure of National in not anticipating the opposition to the TPP.:

" . . .The TPP critics have been on campaign footing from the outset. Opposition has been unrelenting and co-ordinated.

The Government hasn't.

Instead it has relied on three things to sell the deal: the trust
voters have in John Key's assurances, any assurances; literature
produced by Ministry of Trade officials; and a hope that others with
the most to gain from the deal, such as business, agriculture, and
regional New Zealand, will go in to bat for the deal.

The Government has been let down by the business community, whose
response has been nothing short of pathetic.

A letter here, a press release there.

Trade Minister Todd McClay is doing a reasonable job for someone who
has been in it for less than two months.

But the Government could be forced to rethink its strategy and enlist
more ministers into action.

A letter released to the Weekend Herald by McClay on consultation with
Maori is instructive, if late in the process.

A speech by Treaty Minister Chris Finlayson on the finer points of TPP
and Treaty could be enlightening.

But instead of co-ordinating a campaign, it has been content to think
that most voters won't care about TPP and will simply be reassured by
Key in his weekly media spots.

The good news for the Government is that Hone Harawira and his friends
just made its sales job a lot easier."
_ _ _ _ _

The bad news for the government however is that they know that for
many former supporters and swinging voters, John Key's assurances now
invite suspicion - the extent that he is trusted has been falling for
some time .

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:17:49 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 6/02/2016 10:19 a.m., Tony wrote:

Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/372164/maori-opposition-tpp-means-silent-kiwis-will-back-key

Another piece of clever writing that ably demonstrates the ineptness of the >> labour party. Somebody will call me a nat-bot (that's bullshit) I am however >> vastly disappointed in the quality of the current opposition which is a very >> different thing. Can you imagine Helen Clark ever making these stupid mistakes?
Tony

Goff wouldn't have. Shearer wouldn't have, and I doubt even Cunliffe
would have.

What mistake are you referring to? Little saying that once implemented
Labour would not pull out totally, but may seek re-negotiation?

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7nkabb1iifcnru784cibg2qn1nq0psvi6i@4ax.com...

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:17:49 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 6/02/2016 10:19 a.m., Tony wrote:

Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/372164/maori-opposition-tpp-means-silent-kiwis-will-back-key

Another piece of clever writing that ably demonstrates the ineptness of
the
labour party. Somebody will call me a nat-bot (that's bullshit) I am
however
vastly disappointed in the quality of the current opposition which is a
very
different thing. Can you imagine Helen Clark ever making these stupid
mistakes?
Tony

Goff wouldn't have. Shearer wouldn't have, and I doubt even Cunliffe
would have.

What mistake are you referring to? Little saying that once implemented
Labour would not pull out totally, but may seek re-negotiation?

FFS your stupidity is becoming legendary Rich. You can't re-negotiate a deal that's already been signed. Little DID say he'd support it's ratification by parliament you poor demented trolling, loopy lefty...

Pooh

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:khjabblnj478hks288p8dimv02dmucju6p@4ax.com...

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 09:14:55 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/372164/maori-opposition-tpp-means-silent-kiwis-will-back-key

I doubt it was written, or posted, especially for me. Audrey Young is
of course close to National - as you would expect given that her
father was Venn Young (National 1966 to 1990), and her brother is
Jonathan Young (National 2008 - ). She does however acknowledge the
failure of National in not anticipating the opposition to the TPP.:

" . . .The TPP critics have been on campaign footing from the outset. Opposition has been unrelenting and co-ordinated.

The Government hasn't.

Instead it has relied on three things to sell the deal: the trust
voters have in John Key's assurances, any assurances; literature
produced by Ministry of Trade officials; and a hope that others with
the most to gain from the deal, such as business, agriculture, and
regional New Zealand, will go in to bat for the deal.

The Government has been let down by the business community, whose
response has been nothing short of pathetic.

A letter here, a press release there.

Trade Minister Todd McClay is doing a reasonable job for someone who
has been in it for less than two months.

But the Government could be forced to rethink its strategy and enlist
more ministers into action.

A letter released to the Weekend Herald by McClay on consultation with
Maori is instructive, if late in the process.

A speech by Treaty Minister Chris Finlayson on the finer points of TPP
and Treaty could be enlightening.

But instead of co-ordinating a campaign, it has been content to think
that most voters won't care about TPP and will simply be reassured by
Key in his weekly media spots.

The good news for the Government is that Hone Harawira and his friends
just made its sales job a lot easier."
_ _ _ _ _

The bad news for the government however is that they know that for
many former supporters and swinging voters, John Key's assurances now
invite suspicion - the extent that he is trusted has been falling for
some time .

TPPA was on the National party platform last election which you don't seem
to realise National won Rich! If you think protests by a mere thousands of
the fanatical left has any chance of losing the next election for National
your dreaming. Your constant repetition of this desperate hope only shows
just how far out of touch with reality you are. If you think the pathetic
and increasingly desperate rotations by Little will help you need help desperatly Rich.

Pooh

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