• Poor Angry Andy shoots himself in the foot, again!

    From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, May 15, 2017 01:31:45
    One of these days he'll have his foot in his mouth when he shoots himself in the foot and that will be the end of him.

    This time he's shown his stupidity over house prices: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11856473

    Looks a lot fancier than a "starter home" Andy. And are you not from New Plymouth, in which case why is your "starter home" in Wellington?

    But anyway - the numbers show that the value of his home shot up far more under
    Labour governments than it has under National. Labour were *worse* for house price rises than National - fact!

    But it gets worse for poor Andy. While prices were racing up under his party's watch, interest rates were far higher - rising from 6 to 11% in their terms vs 6% or less under the Nats.

    Labour - making houses unaffordable from from 1998 to 2008

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Monday, May 15, 2017 20:48:38
    On 15/05/2017 8:31 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    One of these days he'll have his foot in his mouth when he shoots himself in
    the foot and that will be the end of him.

    This time he's shown his stupidity over house prices: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11856473

    Looks a lot fancier than a "starter home" Andy. And are you not from New
    Plymouth, in which case why is your "starter home" in Wellington?

    But anyway - the numbers show that the value of his home shot up far more
    under Labour governments than it has under National. Labour were *worse* for house price rises than National - fact!

    But it gets worse for poor Andy. While prices were racing up under his
    party's watch, interest rates were far higher - rising from 6 to 11% in their terms vs 6% or less under the Nats.

    Labour - making houses unaffordable from from 1998 to 2008


    This'll have Rich screaming 'DISTRACTION!' :)

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/

    It’s land not owners who are the problem

    Stuff reports:

    Labour is lining up property speculators by clamping down on tax
    loopholes to even the playing field in favour of first home buyers.

    In a hard hitting speech to Labour’s election year congress, leader Andrew Little said the loophole that let property speculators offset
    losses from their rentals against other income for tax purposes would be closed.

    “Labour will close the tax loophole that allows speculators to
    claim taxpayer subsidies for their property portfolio,” Little said.

    This is not a loophole or a subsidy. It is standard taxation policy that
    a loss in one area can be offset against a profit in another area. What
    Little is proposing is that losses on property investment be treated differently to all other losses.

    It will make little difference to house prices and will in fact increase
    rental prices. The profit from property investment comes from the
    increase in capital value. Until land supply is increased dramatically,
    this will continue to fuel house prices.

    If property owners faced effectively increased costs on a property, then
    rents are likely to increase. So Labour’s policy will increase rents and
    have almost no impact on house prices.

    Under the proposed change so-called “mum and dad” investors who
    bought rentals as a long term investment would not be affected as most
    of them did not use the loophole, Little said.

    To the contrary they are the ones who will be most affected. The
    professional investors will have companies that will offset profitable
    and unprofitable houses. The mum and dad investors will not.

    And who are the most common owners. Jim Rose has an OIA on this:

    So only around 3,500 landlords have more than five properties while
    23,000 have two to five properties and a massive 105,000 have just one.
    They are the ones who will be most affected. If the interest on their
    mortgage is more than their rental income (always the case at first)
    then they are deducting the loss off their other income.

    Those with six or more will run it all through companies and be unaffected.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:29:27
    On 5/15/2017 8:31 PM, JohnO wrote:
    One of these days he'll have his foot in his mouth when he shoots himself in
    the foot and that will be the end of him.

    This time he's shown his stupidity over house prices: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11856473

    Looks a lot fancier than a "starter home" Andy. And are you not from New
    Plymouth, in which case why is your "starter home" in Wellington?

    But anyway - the numbers show that the value of his home shot up far more
    under Labour governments than it has under National. Labour were *worse* for house price rises than National - fact!

    But it gets worse for poor Andy. While prices were racing up under his
    party's watch, interest rates were far higher - rising from 6 to 11% in their terms vs 6% or less under the Nats.

    Labour - making houses unaffordable from from 1998 to 2008

    Fortunately for them those who vote for them are immune to evidence and
    facts and other such inconveniences...
    At the moment we seem to be doing okay with low interest rates high
    employment and growth.
    What have liebor got to bitch about ??????

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to george on Monday, May 15, 2017 19:38:43
    On Tuesday, 16 May 2017 10:29:28 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/15/2017 8:31 PM, JohnO wrote:
    One of these days he'll have his foot in his mouth when he shoots himself
    in the foot and that will be the end of him.

    This time he's shown his stupidity over house prices: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11856473

    Looks a lot fancier than a "starter home" Andy. And are you not from New
    Plymouth, in which case why is your "starter home" in Wellington?

    But anyway - the numbers show that the value of his home shot up far more
    under Labour governments than it has under National. Labour were *worse* for house price rises than National - fact!

    But it gets worse for poor Andy. While prices were racing up under his
    party's watch, interest rates were far higher - rising from 6 to 11% in their terms vs 6% or less under the Nats.

    Labour - making houses unaffordable from from 1998 to 2008

    Fortunately for them those who vote for them are immune to evidence and facts and other such inconveniences...
    At the moment we seem to be doing okay with low interest rates high employment and growth.
    What have liebor got to bitch about ??????

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    As David Farrar points out, Angry Andy's house appreciated at the equivalent of
    a little under 6% p.a. Similar to what it would have made if he just invested the money in mortgages and considerably less than the stock market has appreciated over the same
    time.

    In other words, what the fuck is Angry Andy moaning about? Why is he so useless
    at checking facts before opening his fat gob?

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 23:46:43
    On 16/05/2017 10:29 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 5/15/2017 8:31 PM, JohnO wrote:
    One of these days he'll have his foot in his mouth when he shoots
    himself in the foot and that will be the end of him.

    This time he's shown his stupidity over house prices:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11856473


    Looks a lot fancier than a "starter home" Andy. And are you not from
    New Plymouth, in which case why is your "starter home" in Wellington?

    But anyway - the numbers show that the value of his home shot up far
    more under Labour governments than it has under National. Labour were
    *worse* for house price rises than National - fact!

    But it gets worse for poor Andy. While prices were racing up under his
    party's watch, interest rates were far higher - rising from 6 to 11%
    in their terms vs 6% or less under the Nats.

    Labour - making houses unaffordable from from 1998 to 2008

    Fortunately for them those who vote for them are immune to evidence and
    facts and other such inconveniences...
    At the moment we seem to be doing okay with low interest rates high employment and growth.
    What have liebor got to bitch about ??????

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    Labours just pissed because they can't rely on Winnie to give them the government in September. Unless that is Labour can poll over 35% :)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 23:48:02
    On 16/05/2017 2:38 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 16 May 2017 10:29:28 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/15/2017 8:31 PM, JohnO wrote:
    One of these days he'll have his foot in his mouth when he shoots himself in the foot and that will be the end of him.

    This time he's shown his stupidity over house prices:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11856473

    Looks a lot fancier than a "starter home" Andy. And are you not from New Plymouth, in which case why is your "starter home" in Wellington?

    But anyway - the numbers show that the value of his home shot up far more under Labour governments than it has under National. Labour were *worse* for house price rises than National - fact!

    But it gets worse for poor Andy. While prices were racing up under his party's watch, interest rates were far higher - rising from 6 to 11% in their terms vs 6% or less under the Nats.

    Labour - making houses unaffordable from from 1998 to 2008

    Fortunately for them those who vote for them are immune to evidence and
    facts and other such inconveniences...
    At the moment we seem to be doing okay with low interest rates high
    employment and growth.
    What have liebor got to bitch about ??????

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    As David Farrar points out, Angry Andy's house appreciated at the equivalent
    of a little under 6% p.a. Similar to what it would have made if he just invested the money in mortgages and considerably less than the stock market has
    appreciated over the
    same time.

    In other words, what the fuck is Angry Andy moaning about? Why is he so
    useless at checking facts before opening his fat gob?


    David Farrar costed it out if it'd been rented and it would have cost
    more than it's currently valued at :)

    Pooh

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