http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not
to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are
working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for
women . . .
On 11/05/2017 2:25 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/Rich the reason you feel like a mushroom is that Labour keep you in the
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not
to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are
working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for
women . . .
dark and only feed you shit! Yet ya LOVING it as only a marxist mushroom
can.
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not
to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are
working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for
women . . .
On 2017-05-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not
to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are
working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for
women . . .
Rich, could you treat some readers in this ng as humans who have lived and >observed that people are not unbiased. Follow the money as the saying goes.
BTW, since only humans are paid, and there are only two genders, it onlyCompanies are paid as well. The rest-home workers were able to show
need be unequal pay.
Think about it, not all women are paid the same.Neither are men, or companies, or trusts, or charities. But hopefully
Think about it, not all women are paid the same.
On 12 May 2017 05:56:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:Not quite true but almost - there are very few men doing that work and they have also been badly paid. The main issue was relativity in other industries where men were paid more.
On 2017-05-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not
to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are
working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for
women . . .
Rich, could you treat some readers in this ng as humans who have lived and >>observed that people are not unbiased. Follow the money as the saying goes.
Indeed it is in National's interests to keep the media in ignorance of >failures.
Companies are paid as well. The rest-home workers were able to show
BTW, since only humans are paid, and there are only two genders, it only >>need be unequal pay.
that they did not receive as much pay as men doing simlar work.
National fought that as much as they could, and are now seeking toAs have governments ad nauseum for decades, at least this one has done something - credit where it is due please!
prevent data being collected which could result in other
discrimination being proved.
That has been true for decades and many governments have failed to fix it - at least this one has so well done.Think about it, not all women are paid the same.Neither are men, or companies, or trusts, or charities. But hopefully
we can eliminate a little more of the illegal discrimination that has >resulted in women being paid significantly less for the same level of
work.
On 2017-05-11, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/05/2017 2:25 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:Pooh, National feeds us all the facts, good and bad. So its all good. What
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/Rich the reason you feel like a mushroom is that Labour keep you in the
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not
to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are
working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for
women . . .
dark and only feed you shit! Yet ya LOVING it as only a marxist mushroom
can.
if they did not?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is why I said similar work. Not the same, but similar. That's why
On 12 May 2017 05:56:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:Not quite true but almost - there are very few men doing that work and they >have also been badly paid. The main issue was relativity in other industries >where men were paid more.
On 2017-05-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Indeed it is in National's interests to keep the media in ignorance of >>failures.
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not >>>> to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are
working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for >>>> women . . .
Rich, could you treat some readers in this ng as humans who have lived and >>>observed that people are not unbiased. Follow the money as the saying goes. >>
Companies are paid as well. The rest-home workers were able to show
BTW, since only humans are paid, and there are only two genders, it only >>>need be unequal pay.
that they did not receive as much pay as men doing simlar work.
Also it is not just rest home workers, it includes several other sectors >including home care etc.
National fought that as much as they could, and are now seeking toAs have governments ad nauseum for decades, at least this one has done >something - credit where it is due please!
prevent data being collected which could result in other
discrimination being proved.
That has been true for decades and many governments have failed to fix it - at >least this one has so well done.
Think about it, not all women are paid the same.Neither are men, or companies, or trusts, or charities. But hopefully
we can eliminate a little more of the illegal discrimination that has >>resulted in women being paid significantly less for the same level of
work.
Tony
On Sun, 14 May 2017 23:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netAs usual you avoid the question.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is why I said similar work. Not the same, but similar. That's why
On 12 May 2017 05:56:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:Not quite true but almost - there are very few men doing that work and they >>have also been badly paid. The main issue was relativity in other industries >>where men were paid more.
On 2017-05-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Indeed it is in National's interests to keep the media in ignorance of >>>failures.
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not >>>>> to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are
working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for >>>>> women . . .
Rich, could you treat some readers in this ng as humans who have lived and >>>>observed that people are not unbiased. Follow the money as the saying goes. >>>
Companies are paid as well. The rest-home workers were able to show
BTW, since only humans are paid, and there are only two genders, it only >>>>need be unequal pay.
that they did not receive as much pay as men doing simlar work.
they were able to use comparisons with other industries.
Also it is not just rest home workers, it includes several other sectors >>including home care etc.
National fought that as much as they could, and are now seeking to >>>prevent data being collected which could result in otherAs have governments ad nauseum for decades, at least this one has done >>something - credit where it is due please!
discrimination being proved.
Credit for fighting it through (expensive) courts? They spent a lot of
mney on fighting something - the only thing they did was to at least
accept the court judgement against them. Less conscionable is changing >legislation to prevent other legitimate cases of discrimination being
taken through the same process. There is little credit due for
attempting to use easy access to taxpayer money to try to prevent a >(relatively poorer) union from fighting its case.
That has been true for decades and many governments have failed to fix it - >>at
Think about it, not all women are paid the same.Neither are men, or companies, or trusts, or charities. But hopefully
we can eliminate a little more of the illegal discrimination that has >>>resulted in women being paid significantly less for the same level of >>>work.
least this one has so well done.
Tony
No National losing a court case has not fixed it except for that one
case - National are still actively working to prevent cases being
brought against illegal discimination - they know that they would not
have support for repealing the equal pay provisions - or that would be >electoarally expensive - but they are using their ability to legislate
in favour of discrimination and low pay - as always putting employers
before wage earners.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2017 23:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netAs usual you avoid the question.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is why I said similar work. Not the same, but similar. That's why
On 12 May 2017 05:56:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:Not quite true but almost - there are very few men doing that work and they >>>have also been badly paid. The main issue was relativity in other industries >>>where men were paid more.
On 2017-05-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not >>>>>> to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are >>>>>> working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for >>>>>> women . . .
Rich, could you treat some readers in this ng as humans who have lived and >>>>>observed that people are not unbiased. Follow the money as the saying goes.
Indeed it is in National's interests to keep the media in ignorance of >>>>failures.
Companies are paid as well. The rest-home workers were able to show >>>>that they did not receive as much pay as men doing simlar work.
BTW, since only humans are paid, and there are only two genders, it only >>>>>need be unequal pay.
they were able to use comparisons with other industries.
Also it is not just rest home workers, it includes several other sectors >>>including home care etc.
National fought that as much as they could, and are now seeking to >>>>prevent data being collected which could result in otherAs have governments ad nauseum for decades, at least this one has done >>>something - credit where it is due please!
discrimination being proved.
Credit for fighting it through (expensive) courts? They spent a lot of
mney on fighting something - the only thing they did was to at least
accept the court judgement against them. Less conscionable is changing >>legislation to prevent other legitimate cases of discrimination being
taken through the same process. There is little credit due for
attempting to use easy access to taxpayer money to try to prevent a >>(relatively poorer) union from fighting its case.
That has been true for decades and many governments have failed to fix it - >>>at
Think about it, not all women are paid the same.Neither are men, or companies, or trusts, or charities. But hopefully >>>>we can eliminate a little more of the illegal discrimination that has >>>>resulted in women being paid significantly less for the same level of >>>>work.
least this one has so well done.
Tony
No National losing a court case has not fixed it except for that one
case - National are still actively working to prevent cases being
brought against illegal discimination - they know that they would not
have support for repealing the equal pay provisions - or that would be >>electoarally expensive - but they are using their ability to legislate
in favour of discrimination and low pay - as always putting employers >>before wage earners.
This government has done it regardless of why. No other government in living >memory did it.
Credit where it is due.
Tony
On Tue, 16 May 2017 20:19:31 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netA bullshit reaction by you.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2017 23:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netAs usual you avoid the question.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is why I said similar work. Not the same, but similar. That's why >>>they were able to use comparisons with other industries.
On 12 May 2017 05:56:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:Not quite true but almost - there are very few men doing that work and they >>>>have also been badly paid. The main issue was relativity in other >>>>industries
On 2017-05-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not >>>>>>> to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are >>>>>>> working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for >>>>>>> women . . .
Rich, could you treat some readers in this ng as humans who have lived and
observed that people are not unbiased. Follow the money as the saying >>>>>>goes.
Indeed it is in National's interests to keep the media in ignorance of >>>>>failures.
Companies are paid as well. The rest-home workers were able to show >>>>>that they did not receive as much pay as men doing simlar work.
BTW, since only humans are paid, and there are only two genders, it only >>>>>>need be unequal pay.
where men were paid more.
Also it is not just rest home workers, it includes several other sectors >>>>including home care etc.
National fought that as much as they could, and are now seeking to >>>>>prevent data being collected which could result in other >>>>>discrimination being proved.As have governments ad nauseum for decades, at least this one has done >>>>something - credit where it is due please!
Credit for fighting it through (expensive) courts? They spent a lot of >>>mney on fighting something - the only thing they did was to at least >>>accept the court judgement against them. Less conscionable is changing >>>legislation to prevent other legitimate cases of discrimination being >>>taken through the same process. There is little credit due for
attempting to use easy access to taxpayer money to try to prevent a >>>(relatively poorer) union from fighting its case.
That has been true for decades and many governments have failed to fix it - >>>>at
Think about it, not all women are paid the same.Neither are men, or companies, or trusts, or charities. But hopefully >>>>>we can eliminate a little more of the illegal discrimination that has >>>>>resulted in women being paid significantly less for the same level of >>>>>work.
least this one has so well done.
Tony
No National losing a court case has not fixed it except for that one
case - National are still actively working to prevent cases being
brought against illegal discimination - they know that they would not >>>have support for repealing the equal pay provisions - or that would be >>>electoarally expensive - but they are using their ability to legislate
in favour of discrimination and low pay - as always putting employers >>>before wage earners.
This government has done it regardless of why. No other government in living >>memory did it.
Credit where it is due.
Tony
I agree that no other government has been forced to make such changes
to pay for a section of workers through losing a court case. It was
done in as unwilling a manner as possible, and they are now changing >legisslation to make it harder for workers to gain equity in future.
Yes National should be given credit for accepting a legal judgement
against them, but do not pretend that this was in any way a decision
they were at all happy to have to make.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Things must be dire indeed for you to fight so hard to get due credit
On Tue, 16 May 2017 20:19:31 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netA bullshit reaction by you.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2017 23:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:As usual you avoid the question.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is why I said similar work. Not the same, but similar. That's why >>>>they were able to use comparisons with other industries.
On 12 May 2017 05:56:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:Not quite true but almost - there are very few men doing that work and they
On 2017-05-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not >>>>>>>> to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are >>>>>>>> working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for >>>>>>>> women . . .
Rich, could you treat some readers in this ng as humans who have lived and
observed that people are not unbiased. Follow the money as the saying >>>>>>>goes.
Indeed it is in National's interests to keep the media in ignorance of >>>>>>failures.
Companies are paid as well. The rest-home workers were able to show >>>>>>that they did not receive as much pay as men doing simlar work.
BTW, since only humans are paid, and there are only two genders, it only >>>>>>>need be unequal pay.
have also been badly paid. The main issue was relativity in other >>>>>industries
where men were paid more.
Also it is not just rest home workers, it includes several other sectors >>>>>including home care etc.
National fought that as much as they could, and are now seeking to >>>>>>prevent data being collected which could result in other >>>>>>discrimination being proved.As have governments ad nauseum for decades, at least this one has done >>>>>something - credit where it is due please!
Credit for fighting it through (expensive) courts? They spent a lot of >>>>mney on fighting something - the only thing they did was to at least >>>>accept the court judgement against them. Less conscionable is changing >>>>legislation to prevent other legitimate cases of discrimination being >>>>taken through the same process. There is little credit due for >>>>attempting to use easy access to taxpayer money to try to prevent a >>>>(relatively poorer) union from fighting its case.
That has been true for decades and many governments have failed to fix it -
Think about it, not all women are paid the same.Neither are men, or companies, or trusts, or charities. But hopefully >>>>>>we can eliminate a little more of the illegal discrimination that has >>>>>>resulted in women being paid significantly less for the same level of >>>>>>work.
at
least this one has so well done.
Tony
No National losing a court case has not fixed it except for that one >>>>case - National are still actively working to prevent cases being >>>>brought against illegal discimination - they know that they would not >>>>have support for repealing the equal pay provisions - or that would be >>>>electoarally expensive - but they are using their ability to legislate >>>>in favour of discrimination and low pay - as always putting employers >>>>before wage earners.
This government has done it regardless of why. No other government in living >>>memory did it.
Credit where it is due.
Tony
I agree that no other government has been forced to make such changes
to pay for a section of workers through losing a court case. It was
done in as unwilling a manner as possible, and they are now changing >>legisslation to make it harder for workers to gain equity in future.
Yes National should be given credit for accepting a legal judgement
against them, but do not pretend that this was in any way a decision
they were at all happy to have to make.
It is simple. They did it no-one else did. Do you have an English comprehension
at all?
All credit to them for doing it, a small minded rebuttal is only to be expected
from you.
Tony
On Tue, 16 May 2017 23:54:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netOf course our opinions differ. We differ about changing citizenship laws for MPs who should never have been elected or for MPs who forge paintings.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Things must be dire indeed for you to fight so hard to get due credit
On Tue, 16 May 2017 20:19:31 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netA bullshit reaction by you.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2017 23:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:As usual you avoid the question.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is why I said similar work. Not the same, but similar. That's why >>>>>they were able to use comparisons with other industries.
On 12 May 2017 05:56:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:have also been badly paid. The main issue was relativity in other >>>>>>industries
On 2017-05-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/information-underload-were-all-mushrooms-now/
The other side of not giving adequate information is being careful not
to collect information that would show you are wrong - National are >>>>>>>>> working hard to make sure there are no more claims for unequal pay for
women . . .
Rich, could you treat some readers in this ng as humans who have lived >>>>>>>>and
observed that people are not unbiased. Follow the money as the saying >>>>>>>>goes.
Indeed it is in National's interests to keep the media in ignorance of >>>>>>>failures.
Companies are paid as well. The rest-home workers were able to show >>>>>>>that they did not receive as much pay as men doing simlar work. >>>>>>Not quite true but almost - there are very few men doing that work and >>>>>>they
BTW, since only humans are paid, and there are only two genders, it only
need be unequal pay.
where men were paid more.
Also it is not just rest home workers, it includes several other sectors >>>>>>including home care etc.
National fought that as much as they could, and are now seeking to >>>>>>>prevent data being collected which could result in other >>>>>>>discrimination being proved.As have governments ad nauseum for decades, at least this one has done >>>>>>something - credit where it is due please!
Credit for fighting it through (expensive) courts? They spent a lot of >>>>>mney on fighting something - the only thing they did was to at least >>>>>accept the court judgement against them. Less conscionable is changing >>>>>legislation to prevent other legitimate cases of discrimination being >>>>>taken through the same process. There is little credit due for >>>>>attempting to use easy access to taxpayer money to try to prevent a >>>>>(relatively poorer) union from fighting its case.
That has been true for decades and many governments have failed to fix it >>>>>>-
Think about it, not all women are paid the same.Neither are men, or companies, or trusts, or charities. But hopefully >>>>>>>we can eliminate a little more of the illegal discrimination that has >>>>>>>resulted in women being paid significantly less for the same level of >>>>>>>work.
at
least this one has so well done.
Tony
No National losing a court case has not fixed it except for that one >>>>>case - National are still actively working to prevent cases being >>>>>brought against illegal discimination - they know that they would not >>>>>have support for repealing the equal pay provisions - or that would be >>>>>electoarally expensive - but they are using their ability to legislate >>>>>in favour of discrimination and low pay - as always putting employers >>>>>before wage earners.
This government has done it regardless of why. No other government in >>>>living
memory did it.
Credit where it is due.
Tony
I agree that no other government has been forced to make such changes
to pay for a section of workers through losing a court case. It was
done in as unwilling a manner as possible, and they are now changing >>>legisslation to make it harder for workers to gain equity in future.
Yes National should be given credit for accepting a legal judgement >>>against them, but do not pretend that this was in any way a decision
they were at all happy to have to make.
It is simple. They did it no-one else did. Do you have an English >>comprehension
at all?
All credit to them for doing it, a small minded rebuttal is only to be >>expected
from you.
Tony
for a government for compliance with a court judgement against them. I
freely give them credit for that action - may they feel greatly
uplifted by our support for them actually obeying the rule of law. I
had not seen that as particularly unusual, but clearly your opinion
differs from mine.
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