Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?
And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/
I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again
there might be an honest one out there ..

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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:19:30 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

I haen;t noticed - can ou give a cite?

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Do you think they should be compensated, george? If so, why?

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again
there might be an honest one out there ..

Hard to find honesty in your circles is it george?

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On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 8:19:35 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

You mean you still haven't twigged that's their sole raison d'être?

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Only if the judge decrees yer greenies have been the direct cause of those losses. So, how do think that one would play out in court, George?

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again there might be an honest one out there ..

There is, so to make your day, try this:

Profit and toxic pollution and degradation of the environment? Or pristine landscapes and waterways safe to swim in and enjoy, and make us "the envy of the world?"

You to choose.

When a nation can only make a shaky go of it economically by literally crapping
in its own nest, you have the supreme irony that is "Strength through toxicity."

You don’t like that one? OK then: so what does your select little circle of Einsteins call it, George?

Oh, and since you’re still with me, there's that trifling $50Billion of cockie debt that they'll never be able to repay.

Should the Greenies pay this off for them as well?

Take your time...and while you do, ponder the melancholy truth that, as a component of the human diet, absolutely no one in this world needs dairy at all, albeit with the exception of a small fraction of its total population during their early months.

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On 5/1/2017 10:06 AM, jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 8:19:35 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

You mean you still haven't twigged that's their sole raison d'être?

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Only if the judge decrees yer greenies have been the direct cause of those

losses. So, how do think that one would play out in court, George?

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again
there might be an honest one out there ..

There is, so to make your day, try this:

Profit and toxic pollution and degradation of the environment? Or pristine

landscapes and waterways safe to swim in and enjoy, and make us "the envy of the world?"

You to choose.

When a nation can only make a shaky go of it economically by literally

crapping in its own nest, you have the supreme irony that is "Strength through toxicity."

You don’t like that one? OK then: so what does your select little circle

of Einsteins call it, George?

Oh, and since you’re still with me, there's that trifling $50Billion of

cockie debt that they'll never be able to repay.

Should the Greenies pay this off for them as well?

Take your time...and while you do, ponder the melancholy truth that, as a

component of the human diet, absolutely no one in this world needs dairy at all, albeit with the exception of a small fraction of its total population during their early months.


Chapter one:
How to irk the snowflakes.
And get a five minute harangue from a failed scribbler

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On Monday, 1 May 2017 10:06:53 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 8:19:35 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

You mean you still haven't twigged that's their sole raison d'être?

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Only if the judge decrees yer greenies have been the direct cause of those

losses. So, how do think that one would play out in court, George?

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again there might be an honest one out there ..

There is, so to make your day, try this:

Profit and toxic pollution and degradation of the environment? Or pristine

landscapes and waterways safe to swim in and enjoy, and make us "the envy of the world?"

You to choose.

Instead of swallowing up the hyperbole like dear old Keith here, it pays to listen to the scientists rather than the political activists.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=11846293

Interesting to see:
"Some important context is that the state (i.e. concentrations of water quality
indicators) are still very good when compared internationally; indeed, some by several orders of magnitude"

Yep, read it again. Our waterways actually are very good compared internationally.

Also interesting is the "legacy effect" of contaminates created decades agi leaching from the ground:

"The general trend of greatest concern is the gradual increase in nitrate-nitrogen at many (but not all) pastoral and urban river monitoring sites.

This general pattern may be partly due to the "legacy effect" of nitrate that was leached from land years or decades ago and is now emerging from groundwater
into surface water."

Regardless of land use decades ago, current practices are improving:
"There is a widespread improvement under way in river phosphorus concentrations
in agricultural areas. This could be due to stock exclusion, better fertiliser management, better effluent management, better erosion control, or some combination."

All in all some very good comments from the scientists.

When a nation can only make a shaky go of it economically by literally

crapping in its own nest, you have the supreme irony that is "Strength through toxicity."

Except, Keith, your ranting is purely aligned with your own uncontrollable whinge reflex, rather than objectivity.

You don’t like that one? OK then: so what does your select little circle

of Einsteins call it, George?

Oh, and since you’re still with me, there's that trifling $50Billion of

cockie debt that they'll never be able to repay.

Oh, I rather doubt banks have lent $50billion that can't be repaid just as I doubt you know better than said banks.

Should the Greenies pay this off for them as well?

Stupid sarcasm.

Take your time...and while you do, ponder the melancholy truth that, as a

component of the human diet, absolutely no one in this world needs dairy at all, albeit with the exception of a small fraction of its total population during their early months.

There's a lot about consumer consumption that is not needed. None of it is going away. Did you have a point with your comment?

Didn't think so.

By the way, tourism has overtaken dairy now. Stand by for the dopey anti crowd to get bored with dairy and start tilting at the tourism windmill.

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On 5/1/2017 11:03 AM, JohnO wrote:

Instead of swallowing up the hyperbole like dear old Keith here, it pays to

listen to the scientists rather than the political activists.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=11846293

Interesting to see:
"Some important context is that the state (i.e. concentrations of water

quality indicators) are still very good when compared internationally; indeed, some by several orders of magnitude"

Yep, read it again. Our waterways actually are very good compared

internationally.

Also interesting is the "legacy effect" of contaminates created decades agi

leaching from the ground:

"The general trend of greatest concern is the gradual increase in

nitrate-nitrogen at many (but not all) pastoral and urban river monitoring sites.

This general pattern may be partly due to the "legacy effect" of nitrate that

was leached from land years or decades ago and is now emerging from groundwater
into surface water."

Regardless of land use decades ago, current practices are improving:
"There is a widespread improvement under way in river phosphorus

concentrations in agricultural areas. This could be due to stock exclusion, better fertiliser management, better effluent management, better erosion control, or some combination."

All in all some very good comments from the scientists.

We should really feel sorry for a scribbler without gullible media.. :)

When you look at rivers such as at Ironbridge in the UK and compare its
current look with how it looked during the Industrial Revolution.
Or the Mersey. Or the Tyne. Or the Thames (which still looks pretty shit)
Our rivers look pretty good

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On Monday, 1 May 2017 11:25:55 UTC+12, george wrote:

On 5/1/2017 11:03 AM, JohnO wrote:

Instead of swallowing up the hyperbole like dear old Keith here, it pays to

listen to the scientists rather than the political activists.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=11846293

Interesting to see:
"Some important context is that the state (i.e. concentrations of water

quality indicators) are still very good when compared internationally; indeed, some by several orders of magnitude"

Yep, read it again. Our waterways actually are very good compared

internationally.

Also interesting is the "legacy effect" of contaminates created decades agi

leaching from the ground:

"The general trend of greatest concern is the gradual increase in

nitrate-nitrogen at many (but not all) pastoral and urban river monitoring sites.

This general pattern may be partly due to the "legacy effect" of nitrate

that was leached from land years or decades ago and is now emerging from groundwater into surface water."

Regardless of land use decades ago, current practices are improving:
"There is a widespread improvement under way in river phosphorus

concentrations in agricultural areas. This could be due to stock exclusion, better fertiliser management, better effluent management, better erosion control, or some combination."

All in all some very good comments from the scientists.

We should really feel sorry for a scribbler without gullible media.. :)

When you look at rivers such as at Ironbridge in the UK and compare its current look with how it looked during the Industrial Revolution.
Or the Mersey. Or the Tyne. Or the Thames (which still looks pretty shit)
Our rivers look pretty good

I've been to Ironbridge! The river looked like molten chocolate!

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On 5/1/2017 12:52 PM, JohnO wrote:

I've been to Ironbridge! The river looked like molten chocolate!
There was the man under the bridge who had swans and built coracles.

The river was full of fish and I saw a few get landed while I was there

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On 30/04/2017 2:25 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:19:30 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

I haen;t noticed - can ou give a cite?

You need to try reading the party political broadcasts Rich.

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Do you think they should be compensated, george? If so, why?

Because idiots like you demanded they build fences on flood plains. compensation for replacing the fences should come from Labour/Greens,
after all they're the ones ho wittered on about it.

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again
there might be an honest one out there ..

Hard to find honesty in your circles is it george?

I doubt it Rich. He was referring to the circles you and little Andy
move in.

Pooh

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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, 1 May 2017 10:06:53 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 8:19:35 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

You mean you still haven't twigged that's their sole raison d'être?

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Only if the judge decrees yer greenies have been the direct cause of those losses. So, how do think that one would play out in court, George?

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again
there might be an honest one out there ..

There is, so to make your day, try this:

Profit and toxic pollution and degradation of the environment? Or pristine landscapes and waterways safe to swim in and enjoy, and make us "the envy of the world?"

You to choose.

Instead of swallowing up the hyperbole like dear old Keith here, it pays to listen to the scientists rather than the political activists.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=11846293

Interesting to see:
"Some important context is that the state (i.e. concentrations of water quality indicators) are still very good when compared internationally; indeed, some by several orders of magnitude"

Yep, read it again. Our waterways actually are very good compared internationally.

Also interesting is the "legacy effect" of contaminates created decades agi leaching from the ground:

"The general trend of greatest concern is the gradual increase in nitrate-nitrogen at many (but not all) pastoral and urban river monitoring sites.

This general pattern may be partly due to the "legacy effect" of nitrate that was leached from land years or decades ago and is now emerging from groundwater

into surface water."

Regardless of land use decades ago, current practices are improving:
"There is a widespread improvement under way in river phosphorus concentrations in agricultural areas. This could be due to stock exclusion, better fertiliser management, better effluent management, better erosion control, or some combination."

All in all some very good comments from the scientists.

When a nation can only make a shaky go of it economically by literally crapping in its own nest, you have the supreme irony that is "Strength through toxicity."

Except, Keith, your ranting is purely aligned with your own uncontrollable whinge reflex, rather than objectivity.

You don’t like that one? OK then: so what does your select little circle of

Einsteins call it, George?

Oh, and since you’re still with me, there's that trifling $50Billion of cockie debt that they'll never be able to repay.

Oh, I rather doubt banks have lent $50billion that can't be repaid just as I doubt you know better than said banks.

Should the Greenies pay this off for them as well?

Stupid sarcasm.

Take your time...and while you do, ponder the melancholy truth that, as a component of the human diet, absolutely no one in this world needs dairy at all, albeit with the exception of a small fraction of its total population during their early months.

There's a lot about consumer consumption that is not needed. None of it is going away. Did you have a point with your comment?

Didn't think so.

By the way, tourism has overtaken dairy now. Stand by for the dopey anti crowd

to get bored with dairy and start tilting at the tourism windmill.

So we go from "100% pure" to "not quite as bad as overseas" - all in
just under 8 years. I guess you are proud of National being
"ambush-us" for New Zild, aren't you JohnO?

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On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:53:27 +1200, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2017 2:25 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:19:30 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

I haen;t noticed - can ou give a cite?

You need to try reading the party political broadcasts Rich.

In other words you cannot find anything - why not just admit it?

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Do you think they should be compensated, george? If so, why?

Because idiots like you demanded they build fences on flood plains.

Really? Cite for that? Or are you lying again?

compensation for replacing the fences should come from Labour/Greens,
after all they're the ones ho wittered on about it.

What are you talking about - if there has been a requirement to build
fences in the last few years it hasn't been Labour or the Greens -
your story is so corrked its pointing straight back to you JohnO -
were you intereviewing your wet dreams?

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again
there might be an honest one out there ..

Hard to find honesty in your circles is it george?

I doubt it Rich. He was referring to the circles you and little Andy
move in.

Pooh

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100% pure is a slogan from a marketing department, not a statement. All but the
dimmest of the dim would know this.

But not you, Dickbot.

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On 5/2/2017 6:41 AM, JohnO wrote:

100% pure is a slogan from a marketing department, not a statement. All but

the dimmest of the dim would know this.

But not you, Dickbot.

When you put that criteria against his BS its getting pretty close to
100% BS

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On Tue, 2 May 2017 08:06:10 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 5/2/2017 6:41 AM, JohnO wrote:

100% pure is a slogan from a marketing department, not a statement. All but the dimmest of the dim would know this.

But not you, Dickbot.

When you put that criteria against his BS its getting pretty close to
100% BS

And here's the delusional marketing department trumpeting just the
fallacy and bullshit you deplore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yFiNk_Ufw

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On Tuesday, 2 May 2017 09:13:42 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 2 May 2017 08:06:10 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 5/2/2017 6:41 AM, JohnO wrote:

100% pure is a slogan from a marketing department, not a statement. All

but the dimmest of the dim would know this.

But not you, Dickbot.

When you put that criteria against his BS its getting pretty close to
100% BS

And here's the delusional marketing department trumpeting just the
fallacy and bullshit you deplore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yFiNk_Ufw

Marketing is about increasing your market share. Tourism is now this country's largest income earner. Looks like John Key did a pretty good job there. No wonder Air New Zealand, the world's best airline according to many, has grabbed
him as a board
member.

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On 1/05/2017 11:09 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:53:27 +1200, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2017 2:25 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:19:30 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

I haen;t noticed - can ou give a cite?

You need to try reading the party political broadcasts Rich.

In other words you cannot find anything - why not just admit it?

Found heaps Rich. But you obviously are being limited to what comes out
of your favourite left wing Labour controlled blogs.

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Do you think they should be compensated, george? If so, why?

Because idiots like you demanded they build fences on flood plains.

Really? Cite for that? Or are you lying again?

Still suffering from the inability to remember what happened ten minutes
ago I see Rich.

compensation for replacing the fences should come from Labour/Greens,
after all they're the ones ho wittered on about it.

What are you talking about - if there has been a requirement to build
fences in the last few years it hasn't been Labour or the Greens -
your story is so corrked its pointing straight back to you JohnO -
were you intereviewing your wet dreams?

Nope. JohnO keeps up with what's happening Rich AND can remember further
back than ten minutes ago.

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again >>>> there might be an honest one out there ..

Hard to find honesty in your circles is it george?

I doubt it Rich. He was referring to the circles you and little Andy
move in.

Pooh

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On 1/05/2017 11:04 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, 1 May 2017 10:06:53 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 8:19:35 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

Now that we've had all this rain as is usual at this time of year why
are the greenies still screaming?

You mean you still haven't twigged that's their sole raison d'être?

And all that riverside fencing lost in the floods.. Are the greenies
going to compensate the cockies/

Only if the judge decrees yer greenies have been the direct cause of those losses. So, how do think that one would play out in court, George?

I know.. rhetorical questions that'll never get answered but then again >>>> there might be an honest one out there ..

There is, so to make your day, try this:

Profit and toxic pollution and degradation of the environment? Or pristine landscapes and waterways safe to swim in and enjoy, and make us "the envy of the world?"

You to choose.

Instead of swallowing up the hyperbole like dear old Keith here, it pays to listen to the scientists rather than the political activists.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=11846293

Interesting to see:
"Some important context is that the state (i.e. concentrations of water quality indicators) are still very good when compared internationally; indeed, some by several orders of magnitude"

Yep, read it again. Our waterways actually are very good compared internationally.

Also interesting is the "legacy effect" of contaminates created decades agi leaching from the ground:

"The general trend of greatest concern is the gradual increase in nitrate-nitrogen at many (but not all) pastoral and urban river monitoring sites.

This general pattern may be partly due to the "legacy effect" of nitrate that was leached from land years or decades ago and is now emerging from groundwater into surface water."

Regardless of land use decades ago, current practices are improving:
"There is a widespread improvement under way in river phosphorus concentrations in agricultural areas. This could be due to stock exclusion, better fertiliser management, better effluent management, better erosion control, or some combination."

All in all some very good comments from the scientists.

When a nation can only make a shaky go of it economically by literally crapping in its own nest, you have the supreme irony that is "Strength through toxicity."

Except, Keith, your ranting is purely aligned with your own uncontrollable whinge reflex, rather than objectivity.

You don’t like that one? OK then: so what does your select little circle of Einsteins call it, George?

Oh, and since you’re still with me, there's that trifling $50Billion of cockie debt that they'll never be able to repay.

Oh, I rather doubt banks have lent $50billion that can't be repaid just as I

doubt you know better than said banks.

Should the Greenies pay this off for them as well?

Stupid sarcasm.

Take your time...and while you do, ponder the melancholy truth that, as a component of the human diet, absolutely no one in this world needs dairy at all, albeit with the exception of a small fraction of its total population during their early months.

There's a lot about consumer consumption that is not needed. None of it is going away. Did you have a point with your comment?

Didn't think so.

By the way, tourism has overtaken dairy now. Stand by for the dopey anti crowd to get bored with dairy and start tilting at the tourism windmill.

So we go from "100% pure" to "not quite as bad as overseas" - all in
just under 8 years. I guess you are proud of National being
"ambush-us" for New Zild, aren't you JohnO?

Yet another problem you blame on National that was happening while your
great a glorious Liebor party were screwing New Zealand.

Pooh

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