So all that BS hasn't worked with the latest accident numbers.
Why not?
My suspicion is that the less clever have the right hivis gear on, the
best steel toe capped boots and most important a piece of paper in their
pocket to show that they attended a H&S course.
And they've stopped thinking.
Everything they do there's a H&S requirement.
Everywhere they go there's a H&S requirement.
Time to do a bit of reinventing.
It's broke

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On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:52:02 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

So all that BS hasn't worked with the latest accident numbers.
Why not?
My suspicion is that the less clever have the right hivis gear on, the
best steel toe capped boots and most important a piece of paper in their pocket to show that they attended a H&S course.
And they've stopped thinking.
Everything they do there's a H&S requirement.
Everywhere they go there's a H&S requirement.
Time to do a bit of reinventing.
It's broke

Thick is as Thick does, and no hard hat, steel boot or course certificate will change the irreducible numbers of dimwit employees.

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On 4/26/2017 12:34 PM, jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:52:02 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

So all that BS hasn't worked with the latest accident numbers.
Why not?
My suspicion is that the less clever have the right hivis gear on, the
best steel toe capped boots and most important a piece of paper in their
pocket to show that they attended a H&S course.
And they've stopped thinking.
Everything they do there's a H&S requirement.
Everywhere they go there's a H&S requirement.
Time to do a bit of reinventing.
It's broke

Thick is as Thick does, and no hard hat, steel boot or course certificate

will change the irreducible numbers of dimwit employees.

And no-ones told the fake media who keep up this bombardment of filleted fiction about the evils of whichever political party is running things

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On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:05:06 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2017 12:34 PM, jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:52:02 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

So all that BS hasn't worked with the latest accident numbers.
Why not?
My suspicion is that the less clever have the right hivis gear on, the
best steel toe capped boots and most important a piece of paper in their >>> pocket to show that they attended a H&S course.
And they've stopped thinking.
Everything they do there's a H&S requirement.
Everywhere they go there's a H&S requirement.
Time to do a bit of reinventing.
It's broke

Thick is as Thick does, and no hard hat, steel boot or course certificate will change the irreducible numbers of dimwit employees.

And no-ones told the fake media who keep up this bombardment of filleted >fiction about the evils of whichever political party is running things

All I see is your post, george - are you saying that is fake news?
What report or news item prompted your post?

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On 2017-04-27, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:05:06 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2017 12:34 PM, jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:52:02 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

So all that BS hasn't worked with the latest accident numbers.
Why not?
My suspicion is that the less clever have the right hivis gear on, the >>>> best steel toe capped boots and most important a piece of paper in their >>>> pocket to show that they attended a H&S course.
And they've stopped thinking.
Everything they do there's a H&S requirement.
Everywhere they go there's a H&S requirement.
Time to do a bit of reinventing.
It's broke

Thick is as Thick does, and no hard hat, steel boot or course certificate will change the irreducible numbers of dimwit employees.

And no-ones told the fake media who keep up this bombardment of filleted >>fiction about the evils of whichever political party is running things

All I see is your post, george - are you saying that is fake news?

Rich old chap, your break seems to affected you.

George, is saying in his post that getting the work place deaths and
injuries down has not happened under the new law, as yet.

While I think the new law gave the upper management a good threaten in the wallet and thus a wake up call, which has resulted in them realising that
H&S is everybody's responsibility. However they can only do so much. Say
that their company has a health and safety policy and they will back anyone
who wants to improve H&S within the company.

There is an issuse in that all Worksafe, lawyers etc who are never at the
coal face need paper with the boxes ticked to think that everything is safe. For that is all that they undersatnd and it is the currency they deal in.

The workers collectively have the power control how many deaths and injuries there will be. As they are at the coal face.

What is missing is getting alongside the workers and get them to what they
are good at doing, looking after their mates, and making them realise that
what they do will make make a difference to this. Management banging on from above will have very little affect. If anything it will just build
resentment.

Effictive H&S happens when the workers keep each other safe. A peer telling
you that you are doing something dangerous is much more likely to have an affect than the top boss saying the same thing.

H&S needs to be part of the working culture, not a separate thing which is
all too often the case.

What report or news item prompted your post?

The one you missed Rich.

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On 28 Apr 2017 06:09:16 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2017-04-27, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:05:06 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2017 12:34 PM, jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:52:02 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

So all that BS hasn't worked with the latest accident numbers.
Why not?
My suspicion is that the less clever have the right hivis gear on, the >>>>> best steel toe capped boots and most important a piece of paper in their >>>>> pocket to show that they attended a H&S course.
And they've stopped thinking.
Everything they do there's a H&S requirement.
Everywhere they go there's a H&S requirement.
Time to do a bit of reinventing.
It's broke

Thick is as Thick does, and no hard hat, steel boot or course certificate will change the irreducible numbers of dimwit employees.

And no-ones told the fake media who keep up this bombardment of filleted >>>fiction about the evils of whichever political party is running things

All I see is your post, george - are you saying that is fake news?

Rich old chap, your break seems to affected you.

George, is saying in his post that getting the work place deaths and
injuries down has not happened under the new law, as yet.

While I think the new law gave the upper management a good threaten in the >wallet and thus a wake up call, which has resulted in them realising that
H&S is everybody's responsibility. However they can only do so much. Say
that their company has a health and safety policy and they will back anyone >who wants to improve H&S within the company.

There is an issuse in that all Worksafe, lawyers etc who are never at the >coal face need paper with the boxes ticked to think that everything is safe. >For that is all that they undersatnd and it is the currency they deal in.

The workers collectively have the power control how many deaths and injuries >there will be. As they are at the coal face.

What is missing is getting alongside the workers and get them to what they >are good at doing, looking after their mates, and making them realise that >what they do will make make a difference to this. Management banging on from >above will have very little affect. If anything it will just build >resentment.

Effictive H&S happens when the workers keep each other safe. A peer telling >you that you are doing something dangerous is much more likely to have an >affect than the top boss saying the same thing.

H&S needs to be part of the working culture, not a separate thing which is >all too often the case.

So what do you think is the way to stop the injuries and deaths,
Gordon (or George)?

Helen Kelly identified issues such as low pay, coupled with poor
training, coupled with low job security, and importantly couplesd with
high output expectations. They may all have applied to Pike River.

Have those issues been addressed?

What report or news item prompted your post?

The one you missed Rich.

Clearly - but then a lack of cites is characteristic of those wishing
to avoid covering all of an issue . . .

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On 4/28/2017 6:09 PM, Gordon wrote:

On 2017-04-27, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:05:06 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2017 12:34 PM, jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:52:02 AM UTC+12, george wrote:

So all that BS hasn't worked with the latest accident numbers.
Why not?
My suspicion is that the less clever have the right hivis gear on, the >>>>> best steel toe capped boots and most important a piece of paper in their >>>>> pocket to show that they attended a H&S course.
And they've stopped thinking.
Everything they do there's a H&S requirement.
Everywhere they go there's a H&S requirement.
Time to do a bit of reinventing.
It's broke

Thick is as Thick does, and no hard hat, steel boot or course certificate will change the irreducible numbers of dimwit employees.

And no-ones told the fake media who keep up this bombardment of filleted >>> fiction about the evils of whichever political party is running things

All I see is your post, george - are you saying that is fake news?

Rich old chap, your break seems to affected you.

George, is saying in his post that getting the work place deaths and
injuries down has not happened under the new law, as yet.

While I think the new law gave the upper management a good threaten in the wallet and thus a wake up call, which has resulted in them realising that
H&S is everybody's responsibility. However they can only do so much. Say
that their company has a health and safety policy and they will back anyone who wants to improve H&S within the company.

There is an issuse in that all Worksafe, lawyers etc who are never at the coal face need paper with the boxes ticked to think that everything is safe. For that is all that they undersatnd and it is the currency they deal in.

The workers collectively have the power control how many deaths and injuries there will be. As they are at the coal face.

What is missing is getting alongside the workers and get them to what they are good at doing, looking after their mates, and making them realise that what they do will make make a difference to this. Management banging on from above will have very little affect. If anything it will just build resentment.

Effictive H&S happens when the workers keep each other safe. A peer telling you that you are doing something dangerous is much more likely to have an affect than the top boss saying the same thing.

H&S needs to be part of the working culture, not a separate thing which is all too often the case.

Yes yup and right on.
Safety is, as far as I'm concerned, a personal thing.
In my time in the bush in the 70s we had no accidents among the 6 of us
and apart from a cattle beast leaning on me in the stockyards, no
accidents in farmwork...
My gripe is with those stupid regulations that dont make sense in the
real world. Have a look at the regs covering truck drivers for example

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