wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:01:01 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 1:19:36 PM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:

Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Easter Sunday is a restricted trading day, along with Good Friday,
Christmas Day and Anzac day until 1pm. Easter Sunday is the odd one >>>> >> out in that it is NOT also a public holiday as the others are.

So any trader charging a public holiday surcharge on Easter Sunday
is acting illegally - but they can charge it today (Good Friday) and >>>> >> any other public holiday.

Traders can apply a surcharge whenever they like for whatever reason
they like. They can't advertise it as a public holiday surcharge if
it's not a public holiday.

The Easter trading laws are an anachronism that needs to be removed.
The state should not have the power to be able to tell people when
they can trade with other people.

Guess you don't work public holidays or if you do work have a nice
9~5 job Monday to Friday.

Said gent spends much of his time paying far too much tax to support >>>those not in a position to do likewise, but still has enough time left >>>over to whinge about it.

Certainly nice for a purportedly "working" man to be in a position to >>>vacuously squander so many of his purportedly useful production hours!

From previous posts, I had the impression Allistar was a self-employed >>person, possibly working from home or a local office. He may have to
work on our public holidays, but that is his choice, and as public
holidays do not benefit him he can;t see why others should benefit.

That is almost certainly a cynical attribution by you.
Alistar is simply restating his often mentioned opposition to what he sees
as interference by government. Not sure why you would be so nasty!

Thanks. It astounds me how adults intentionally insult another person.
Forums like this are no different to "real life" and in that regard I don't consider people who resort to personal abuse to be people worth knowing.
It's adolescent.

I don't think the state should be able to place limitations on free barter.
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Mutlley wrote:

Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Easter Sunday is a restricted trading day, along with Good Friday,
Christmas Day and Anzac day until 1pm. Easter Sunday is the odd one
out in that it is NOT also a public holiday as the others are.

So any trader charging a public holiday surcharge on Easter Sunday is
acting illegally - but they can charge it today (Good Friday) and any
other public holiday.

Traders can apply a surcharge whenever they like for whatever reason they >>like. They can't advertise it as a public holiday surcharge if it's not a >>public holiday.

The Easter trading laws are an anachronism that needs to be removed. The >>state should not have the power to be able to tell people when they can >>trade with other people.

Guess you don't work public holidays or if you do work have a nice
9~5 job Monday to Friday.

I get the stat days off like anyone else, but I can choose to work on those days if I want to. If staff want a particular day off they can negotiate
that with their employer.
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 14:30:02 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:01:01 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 1:19:36 PM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:

Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Easter Sunday is a restricted trading day, along with Good Friday,
Christmas Day and Anzac day until 1pm. Easter Sunday is the odd
one out in that it is NOT also a public holiday as the others are.

So any trader charging a public holiday surcharge on Easter Sunday
is acting illegally - but they can charge it today (Good Friday)
and any other public holiday.

Traders can apply a surcharge whenever they like for whatever reason
they like. They can't advertise it as a public holiday surcharge if
it's not a public holiday.

The Easter trading laws are an anachronism that needs to be removed.
The state should not have the power to be able to tell people when
they can trade with other people.

Guess you don't work public holidays or if you do work have a nice
9~5 job Monday to Friday.

Said gent spends much of his time paying far too much tax to support
those not in a position to do likewise, but still has enough time left
over to whinge about it.

Certainly nice for a purportedly "working" man to be in a position to >>vacuously squander so many of his purportedly useful production hours!

From previous posts, I had the impression Allistar was a self-employed person, possibly working from home or a local office. He may have to
work on our public holidays, but that is his choice, and as public
holidays do not benefit him he can;t see why others should benefit.

So you can do no better than plumb the depths of the strawman fallacy.

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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:48:26 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:01:01 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com >>>wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 1:19:36 PM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:

Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Easter Sunday is a restricted trading day, along with Good Friday, >>>>> >> Christmas Day and Anzac day until 1pm. Easter Sunday is the odd one >>>>> >> out in that it is NOT also a public holiday as the others are.

So any trader charging a public holiday surcharge on Easter Sunday >>>>> >> is acting illegally - but they can charge it today (Good Friday) and >>>>> >> any other public holiday.

Traders can apply a surcharge whenever they like for whatever reason >>>>> >they like. They can't advertise it as a public holiday surcharge if >>>>> >it's not a public holiday.

The Easter trading laws are an anachronism that needs to be removed. >>>>> >The state should not have the power to be able to tell people when
they can trade with other people.

Guess you don't work public holidays or if you do work have a nice
9~5 job Monday to Friday.

Said gent spends much of his time paying far too much tax to support >>>>those not in a position to do likewise, but still has enough time left >>>>over to whinge about it.

Certainly nice for a purportedly "working" man to be in a position to >>>>vacuously squander so many of his purportedly useful production hours!

From previous posts, I had the impression Allistar was a self-employed >>>person, possibly working from home or a local office. He may have to
work on our public holidays, but that is his choice, and as public >>>holidays do not benefit him he can;t see why others should benefit.

That is almost certainly a cynical attribution by you.
Alistar is simply restating his often mentioned opposition to what he sees >> as interference by government. Not sure why you would be so nasty!

Thanks. It astounds me how adults intentionally insult another person.
Forums like this are no different to "real life" and in that regard I don't >consider people who resort to personal abuse to be people worth knowing.
It's adolescent.

I don't think the state should be able to place limitations on free barter.

I am sorry if my post offended you Allistar - there was no intention
to insult you. I had thought from previous posts that your view that
government should be severely restricted comes from a view that the
combination of "enlightened self-interest" from individuals would
produce such a result. I also had the impression that you were
self-employed, possibly employing staff yourself. If those are wrong
then you can if you wish correct that impression, but that is all my
comments were based on.

From another post it appears you have a work situtation in which the
employer is preared to consult / negotiate fairly in relation to
working on public holidays. You are in that case fortunate, for in
many workplaces the changes to employment laws severely limit the
ability of employees or unions to negotiate on such issues, and that
is exacerbated in some workplaces by job insecurity arising from high unemployment levels..

I do not share your views relating to government, but I do try not to misrepresent them - if I inadvertently do then feel free to correct
that misconception.

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:48:26 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:01:01 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com >>>>wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 1:19:36 PM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:

Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Easter Sunday is a restricted trading day, along with Good Friday, >>>>>> >> Christmas Day and Anzac day until 1pm. Easter Sunday is the odd >>>>>> >> one out in that it is NOT also a public holiday as the others are. >>>>>> >>
So any trader charging a public holiday surcharge on Easter Sunday >>>>>> >> is acting illegally - but they can charge it today (Good Friday) >>>>>> >> and any other public holiday.

Traders can apply a surcharge whenever they like for whatever reason >>>>>> >they like. They can't advertise it as a public holiday surcharge if >>>>>> >it's not a public holiday.

The Easter trading laws are an anachronism that needs to be removed. >>>>>> >The state should not have the power to be able to tell people when >>>>>> >they can trade with other people.

Guess you don't work public holidays or if you do work have a nice >>>>>> 9~5 job Monday to Friday.

Said gent spends much of his time paying far too much tax to support >>>>>those not in a position to do likewise, but still has enough time left >>>>>over to whinge about it.

Certainly nice for a purportedly "working" man to be in a position to >>>>>vacuously squander so many of his purportedly useful production hours! >>>>

From previous posts, I had the impression Allistar was a self-employed >>>>person, possibly working from home or a local office. He may have to >>>>work on our public holidays, but that is his choice, and as public >>>>holidays do not benefit him he can;t see why others should benefit.

That is almost certainly a cynical attribution by you.
Alistar is simply restating his often mentioned opposition to what he
sees as interference by government. Not sure why you would be so nasty!

Thanks. It astounds me how adults intentionally insult another person. >>Forums like this are no different to "real life" and in that regard I
don't consider people who resort to personal abuse to be people worth >>knowing. It's adolescent.

I don't think the state should be able to place limitations on free
barter.

I am sorry if my post offended you Allistar - there was no intention
to insult you.

It didn't offend me and I'd be the last person to cry offense if it did.

I had thought from previous posts that your view that
government should be severely restricted comes from a view that the combination of "enlightened self-interest" from individuals would
produce such a result. I also had the impression that you were
self-employed, possibly employing staff yourself. If those are wrong
then you can if you wish correct that impression, but that is all my
comments were based on.

You're basing an argument on assumptions. That's never wise.

From another post it appears you have a work situtation in which the
employer is preared to consult / negotiate fairly in relation to
working on public holidays. You are in that case fortunate, for in
many workplaces the changes to employment laws severely limit the
ability of employees or unions to negotiate on such issues, and that
is exacerbated in some workplaces by job insecurity arising from high unemployment levels..

If a shop owner wants to open their shop any day of the year they should be allowed to. No other organisation should be able to prevent them from doing that.

I do not share your views relating to government, but I do try not to misrepresent them - if I inadvertently do then feel free to correct
that misconception.

I can't be bothered to be honest. Your history on these groups is one of dishonesty and in that regard I see no reason to correct you.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 14:41:52 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:48:26 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:01:01 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com >>>>>wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 1:19:36 PM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:

Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Easter Sunday is a restricted trading day, along with Good Friday, >>>>>>> >> Christmas Day and Anzac day until 1pm. Easter Sunday is the odd >>>>>>> >> one out in that it is NOT also a public holiday as the others are. >>>>>>> >>
So any trader charging a public holiday surcharge on Easter Sunday >>>>>>> >> is acting illegally - but they can charge it today (Good Friday) >>>>>>> >> and any other public holiday.

Traders can apply a surcharge whenever they like for whatever reason >>>>>>> >they like. They can't advertise it as a public holiday surcharge if >>>>>>> >it's not a public holiday.

The Easter trading laws are an anachronism that needs to be removed. >>>>>>> >The state should not have the power to be able to tell people when >>>>>>> >they can trade with other people.

Guess you don't work public holidays or if you do work have a nice >>>>>>> 9~5 job Monday to Friday.

Said gent spends much of his time paying far too much tax to support >>>>>>those not in a position to do likewise, but still has enough time left >>>>>>over to whinge about it.

Certainly nice for a purportedly "working" man to be in a position to >>>>>>vacuously squander so many of his purportedly useful production hours! >>>>>

From previous posts, I had the impression Allistar was a self-employed >>>>>person, possibly working from home or a local office. He may have to >>>>>work on our public holidays, but that is his choice, and as public >>>>>holidays do not benefit him he can;t see why others should benefit.

That is almost certainly a cynical attribution by you.
Alistar is simply restating his often mentioned opposition to what he
sees as interference by government. Not sure why you would be so nasty! >>>

Thanks. It astounds me how adults intentionally insult another person. >>>Forums like this are no different to "real life" and in that regard I >>>don't consider people who resort to personal abuse to be people worth >>>knowing. It's adolescent.

I don't think the state should be able to place limitations on free >>>barter.

I am sorry if my post offended you Allistar - there was no intention
to insult you.

It didn't offend me and I'd be the last person to cry offense if it did.

I had thought from previous posts that your view that
government should be severely restricted comes from a view that the
combination of "enlightened self-interest" from individuals would
produce such a result. I also had the impression that you were
self-employed, possibly employing staff yourself. If those are wrong
then you can if you wish correct that impression, but that is all my
comments were based on.

You're basing an argument on assumptions. That's never wise.

From another post it appears you have a work situtation in which the
employer is preared to consult / negotiate fairly in relation to
working on public holidays. You are in that case fortunate, for in
many workplaces the changes to employment laws severely limit the
ability of employees or unions to negotiate on such issues, and that
is exacerbated in some workplaces by job insecurity arising from high
unemployment levels..

If a shop owner wants to open their shop any day of the year they should be >allowed to. No other organisation should be able to prevent them from doing >that.

I do not share your views relating to government, but I do try not to
misrepresent them - if I inadvertently do then feel free to correct
that misconception.

I can't be bothered to be honest. Your history on these groups is one of >dishonesty and in that regard I see no reason to correct you.

To say that you cannot be bothered to be honest and then accuse me of dishonesty, without any evidence, is astoundingly hypocritical! Are
you not the person that said:
"It astounds me how adults intentionally insult another person.
Forums like this are no different to "real life" and in that regard I
don't consider people who resort to personal abuse to be people worth
knowing. It's adolescent."

Grow up, Allistar.

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 14:41:52 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:48:26 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:01:01 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com >>>>>>wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 1:19:36 PM UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:

Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Easter Sunday is a restricted trading day, along with Good
Friday,
Christmas Day and Anzac day until 1pm. Easter Sunday is the odd >>>>>>>> >> one out in that it is NOT also a public holiday as the others >>>>>>>> >> are.

So any trader charging a public holiday surcharge on Easter >>>>>>>> >> Sunday is acting illegally - but they can charge it today (Good >>>>>>>> >> Friday) and any other public holiday.

Traders can apply a surcharge whenever they like for whatever >>>>>>>> >reason they like. They can't advertise it as a public holiday >>>>>>>> >surcharge if it's not a public holiday.

The Easter trading laws are an anachronism that needs to be
removed. The state should not have the power to be able to tell >>>>>>>> >people when they can trade with other people.

Guess you don't work public holidays or if you do work have a nice >>>>>>>> 9~5 job Monday to Friday.

Said gent spends much of his time paying far too much tax to support >>>>>>>those not in a position to do likewise, but still has enough time >>>>>>>left over to whinge about it.

Certainly nice for a purportedly "working" man to be in a position to >>>>>>>vacuously squander so many of his purportedly useful production >>>>>>>hours!

From previous posts, I had the impression Allistar was a self-employed >>>>>>person, possibly working from home or a local office. He may have to >>>>>>work on our public holidays, but that is his choice, and as public >>>>>>holidays do not benefit him he can;t see why others should benefit.

That is almost certainly a cynical attribution by you.
Alistar is simply restating his often mentioned opposition to what he >>>>> sees as interference by government. Not sure why you would be so
nasty!

Thanks. It astounds me how adults intentionally insult another person. >>>>Forums like this are no different to "real life" and in that regard I >>>>don't consider people who resort to personal abuse to be people worth >>>>knowing. It's adolescent.

I don't think the state should be able to place limitations on free >>>>barter.

I am sorry if my post offended you Allistar - there was no intention
to insult you.

It didn't offend me and I'd be the last person to cry offense if it did.

I had thought from previous posts that your view that
government should be severely restricted comes from a view that the
combination of "enlightened self-interest" from individuals would
produce such a result. I also had the impression that you were
self-employed, possibly employing staff yourself. If those are wrong
then you can if you wish correct that impression, but that is all my
comments were based on.

You're basing an argument on assumptions. That's never wise.

From another post it appears you have a work situtation in which the
employer is preared to consult / negotiate fairly in relation to
working on public holidays. You are in that case fortunate, for in
many workplaces the changes to employment laws severely limit the
ability of employees or unions to negotiate on such issues, and that
is exacerbated in some workplaces by job insecurity arising from high
unemployment levels..

If a shop owner wants to open their shop any day of the year they should
be allowed to. No other organisation should be able to prevent them from >>doing that.

I do not share your views relating to government, but I do try not to
misrepresent them - if I inadvertently do then feel free to correct
that misconception.

I can't be bothered to be honest. Your history on these groups is one of >>dishonesty and in that regard I see no reason to correct you.

To say that you cannot be bothered to be honest and then accuse me of dishonesty, without any evidence, is astoundingly hypocritical!

Not really. Saying I can't be bothered to be honest isn't the same thing as saying I will be dishonest. It's to say that trying to clarify your misconceptions isn't worth the time I'd need to put into it.

Are
you not the person that said:
"It astounds me how adults intentionally insult another person.
Forums like this are no different to "real life" and in that regard I
don't consider people who resort to personal abuse to be people worth knowing. It's adolescent."

Of course I said that, that's evident from reading above. Asking whether I wrote it is a bizarre question indeed.

Grow up, Allistar.

Thanks.
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:51:52 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[snip]

From another post it appears you [Allistar]have a work situtation in which the >employer is preared to consult / negotiate fairly in relation to
working on public holidays. You are in that case fortunate, for in
many workplaces the changes to employment laws severely limit the
ability of employees or unions to negotiate on such issues, and that
is exacerbated in some workplaces by job insecurity arising from high >unemployment levels..

In my original post I made reference to the 3.5 days of the year
(Christmas Day, Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Anzac day until 1 pm)
where retail trade in particular is largely prohibited.

I am certain that there are provisions in employment law that prohibit employers from forcing employees to work on these days. Given this
any employee forced to work on these days against their will can
refuse to do so and cannot be penalised by the employer for this.
There are most likely employers who flout the law and employees
unaware of their rights and not able to counter being illegally forced
to work.

The problem with these 3.5 days is that 2 of them are separated by one
day (Easter Saturday), meaning that Easter Weekend is blighted with
retail closure. The religious significance of Easter is of no
consequence to almost all of us. I would advocate that all businesses
should be free to trade on these days, but with exactly the same
provisions in place currently that ensure no employee can be forced to
work.


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Crash McBash

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