• Homelessness getting worse under National

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, April 11, 2017 17:43:54
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/328571/homeless-families-'we've-got-nowhere-to-send-them'

    and look also at the related stories and that site, and: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11836383

    Why can they not have just built houses instead of selling them?


    and to counter the "housing-porn'stories of young people being able to
    buy a house (it helps to live with parents for lo0w rent and then get
    a loan for $1m from them . . .), there is this: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11832974

    and this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/91445977/little-calls-for-more-affordable-homes-but-says-fall-in-existing-prices-not-the-answer


    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, April 11, 2017 08:43:04
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Gordon on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 08:29:46
    On 4/11/2017 8:43 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

    It's a fallback position for the failing political parties.
    See how as winter comes the shrieks grow.
    Those people might like to tell us what their history of renting is (or
    was) that has them on the street
    And they've added Maori rates of criminality with claims that this will
    be cleared up by the courts, the justice dept.

    To solve it all they need is for people to stop breaking the law!

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 14:49:58
    On 12/04/2017 8:29 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 4/11/2017 8:43 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

    It's a fallback position for the failing political parties.
    See how as winter comes the shrieks grow.
    Those people might like to tell us what their history of renting is (or
    was) that has them on the street
    And they've added Maori rates of criminality with claims that this will
    be cleared up by the courts, the justice dept.

    To solve it all they need is for people to stop breaking the law!

    I'd like to know just how far homelessness numbers dropped while Labour
    was in power. Funny how Rich the troll refuses to even try to tell us.
    Is it another of the many embarrassing questions about Labours true
    performance that Rich doesn't want to look at because it'll prove beyond
    a shadow of a doubt he's just another myopic marxist muppet?

    Pooh

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to Pooh on Tuesday, April 11, 2017 21:05:50
    On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:48:15 PM UTC+12, Pooh wrote:
    On 12/04/2017 8:29 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 4/11/2017 8:43 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

    It's a fallback position for the failing political parties.
    See how as winter comes the shrieks grow.
    Those people might like to tell us what their history of renting is (or was) that has them on the street
    And they've added Maori rates of criminality with claims that this will
    be cleared up by the courts, the justice dept.

    To solve it all they need is for people to stop breaking the law!

    I'd like to know just how far homelessness numbers dropped while Labour
    was in power.

    (snipped)

    As of June 2016:

    "The number of homeless people in New Zealand rose between the last two Census counts, a new study says.

    The University of Otago study, which is based on Census data, said one in 100 were homeless in 2013, compared with one in 120 in 2006 and one in 130 in 2001."

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11650103

    So, there's deterioration regardless of which bunch of bunglers is in the Beehive.

    Remember, this is the way "envy of the world" New Zealand runs its housing policy, not that housing policy is by any means the government's sole achilles heel, is it?

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to jmschristophers@gmail.com on Thursday, April 13, 2017 09:37:31
    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:48:15 PM UTC+12, Pooh wrote:
    On 12/04/2017 8:29 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 4/11/2017 8:43 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

    It's a fallback position for the failing political parties.
    See how as winter comes the shrieks grow.
    Those people might like to tell us what their history of renting is (or
    was) that has them on the street
    And they've added Maori rates of criminality with claims that this will
    be cleared up by the courts, the justice dept.

    To solve it all they need is for people to stop breaking the law!

    I'd like to know just how far homelessness numbers dropped while Labour
    was in power.

    (snipped)

    As of June 2016:

    "The number of homeless people in New Zealand rose between the last two Census counts, a new study says.

    The University of Otago study, which is based on Census data, said one in
    100 were homeless in 2013, compared with one in 120 in 2006 and one in 130
    in 2001."

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11650103

    So, there's deterioration regardless of which bunch of bunglers is in the Beehive.

    1 in 100 homeless? That's 40,000 people. I find that difficult to believe. I see it's because they class someone living in a motel or a crowded house as "homeless" which is a stretch of the definition.

    The sooner people flee to the regions the better. Aucklands biggest problem
    is too many Aucklanders.

    Remember, this is the way "envy of the world" New Zealand runs its housing policy, not that housing policy is by any means the government's sole achilles heel, is it?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Allistar on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 15:23:52
    On Thursday, 13 April 2017 09:37:39 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:48:15 PM UTC+12, Pooh wrote:
    On 12/04/2017 8:29 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 4/11/2017 8:43 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

    It's a fallback position for the failing political parties.
    See how as winter comes the shrieks grow.
    Those people might like to tell us what their history of renting is (or >> > was) that has them on the street
    And they've added Maori rates of criminality with claims that this will >> > be cleared up by the courts, the justice dept.

    To solve it all they need is for people to stop breaking the law!

    I'd like to know just how far homelessness numbers dropped while Labour
    was in power.

    (snipped)

    As of June 2016:

    "The number of homeless people in New Zealand rose between the last two Census counts, a new study says.

    The University of Otago study, which is based on Census data, said one in 100 were homeless in 2013, compared with one in 120 in 2006 and one in 130 in 2001."

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11650103

    So, there's deterioration regardless of which bunch of bunglers is in the Beehive.

    1 in 100 homeless? That's 40,000 people. I find that difficult to believe. I see it's because they class someone living in a motel or a crowded house as "homeless" which is a stretch of the definition.

    Indeed. Most people would be mislead into thinking there are 40,000 people sleeping under bridges.

    The disingenuous moaners here would like you to be mislead.


    The sooner people flee to the regions the better. Aucklands biggest problem is too many Aucklanders.

    Remember, this is the way "envy of the world" New Zealand runs its housing policy, not that housing policy is by any means the government's sole achilles heel, is it?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, April 13, 2017 14:10:17
    On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:23:52 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 13 April 2017 09:37:39 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:48:15 PM UTC+12, Pooh wrote:
    On 12/04/2017 8:29 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 4/11/2017 8:43 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

    It's a fallback position for the failing political parties.
    See how as winter comes the shrieks grow.
    Those people might like to tell us what their history of renting is (or >> >> > was) that has them on the street
    And they've added Maori rates of criminality with claims that this will >> >> > be cleared up by the courts, the justice dept.

    To solve it all they need is for people to stop breaking the law!

    I'd like to know just how far homelessness numbers dropped while Labour >> >> was in power.

    (snipped)

    As of June 2016:

    "The number of homeless people in New Zealand rose between the last two
    Census counts, a new study says.

    The University of Otago study, which is based on Census data, said one in >> > 100 were homeless in 2013, compared with one in 120 in 2006 and one in 130 >> > in 2001."

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11650103

    So, there's deterioration regardless of which bunch of bunglers is in the >> > Beehive.

    1 in 100 homeless? That's 40,000 people. I find that difficult to believe. I >> see it's because they class someone living in a motel or a crowded house as >> "homeless" which is a stretch of the definition.

    Indeed. Most people would be mislead into thinking there are 40,000 people sleeping under bridges.

    That would be the wilfully ignorant. Sleeping rough is a much lower
    number - possibly lower than 2000. Homeless means just what it says -
    people without a home they can reguarly live in. Those in motels may
    well be worse off than those in illegal overcrowding situations, in
    draughty garages or sheds, or living in a car. The government has used
    motels for emergency accomodation, but certainly early on they were
    charging those people through creating a debt that was a charge on
    future benefits (thereby making it less likely that they would ever
    get off welfare) - I don't know if that has stopped. Moels are also
    not designed for long term living, and can be quite unsuitable for
    families over more than a short period.






    The disingenuous moaners here would like you to be mislead.


    The sooner people flee to the regions the better. Aucklands biggest problem >> is too many Aucklanders.

    Remember, this is the way "envy of the world" New Zealand runs its housing >> > policy, not that housing policy is by any means the government's sole
    achilles heel, is it?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to Allistar on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 21:36:02
    On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:37:39 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:48:15 PM UTC+12, Pooh wrote:
    On 12/04/2017 8:29 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 4/11/2017 8:43 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

    It's a fallback position for the failing political parties.
    See how as winter comes the shrieks grow.
    Those people might like to tell us what their history of renting is (or >> > was) that has them on the street
    And they've added Maori rates of criminality with claims that this will >> > be cleared up by the courts, the justice dept.

    To solve it all they need is for people to stop breaking the law!

    I'd like to know just how far homelessness numbers dropped while Labour
    was in power.

    (snipped)

    As of June 2016:

    "The number of homeless people in New Zealand rose between the last two Census counts, a new study says.

    The University of Otago study, which is based on Census data, said one in 100 were homeless in 2013, compared with one in 120 in 2006 and one in 130 in 2001."

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11650103

    So, there's deterioration regardless of which bunch of bunglers is in the Beehive.

    1 in 100 homeless? That's 40,000 people. I find that difficult to believe.

    Perhaps so, but many found it no less difficult to believe - and still do - that our current prime minster had been caught wilfully, knowingly and and systematically ripping off the taxpayer by officially claiming rental costs on his own property in
    which he and his family were living. Even more incredible for some, this smirkingly sanctimonius piece of work was at that same time not only, of all people, **finance minister** of New Zealand but, as New Zealand's shameless arch-hypocrite without peer,
    also preaching belt-tightening and personal responsibility to the general populace.

    I
    see it's because they class someone living in a motel or a crowded house as "homeless" which is a stretch of the definition.

    The sooner people flee to the regions the better. Aucklands biggest problem is too many Aucklanders.


    Auckland's problem is New Zealand's problem: institutional lassitude making for
    self-excusing incompetence reflected in a mirage economy resulting from 40 years of stagnant productivity and chronic under-performance.



    Remember, this is the way "envy of the world" New Zealand runs its housing policy, not that housing policy is by any means the government's sole achilles heel, is it?
    --

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to Allistar on Thursday, April 13, 2017 22:13:42
    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:37:39 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:48:15 PM UTC+12, Pooh wrote:
    On 12/04/2017 8:29 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 4/11/2017 8:43 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2017-04-11, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    For a decent, compassonate and effective housing policy we need a
    change of government.

    Pity there is not one which could do the job.

    It's a fallback position for the failing political parties.
    See how as winter comes the shrieks grow.
    Those people might like to tell us what their history of renting is (or >> >> > was) that has them on the street
    And they've added Maori rates of criminality with claims that this will >> >> > be cleared up by the courts, the justice dept.

    To solve it all they need is for people to stop breaking the law!

    I'd like to know just how far homelessness numbers dropped while Labour >> >> was in power.

    (snipped)

    As of June 2016:

    "The number of homeless people in New Zealand rose between the last two
    Census counts, a new study says.

    The University of Otago study, which is based on Census data, said one in >> > 100 were homeless in 2013, compared with one in 120 in 2006 and one in 130 >> > in 2001."

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11650103

    So, there's deterioration regardless of which bunch of bunglers is in the >> > Beehive.

    1 in 100 homeless? That's 40,000 people. I find that difficult to believe.

    Perhaps so, but many found it no less difficult to believe - and still do - >that our current prime minster had been caught wilfully, knowingly and and >systematically ripping off the taxpayer by officially claiming rental costs on >his own property in which he and his family were living. Even more incredible >for some, this smirkingly sanctimonius piece of work was at that same time not >only, of all people, **finance minister** of New Zealand but, as New Zealand's >shameless arch-hypocrite without peer, also preaching belt-tightening and >personal responsibility to the general populace.

    I
    see it's because they class someone living in a motel or a crowded house as >> "homeless" which is a stretch of the definition.

    The sooner people flee to the regions the better. Aucklands biggest problem >> is too many Aucklanders.


    Auckland's problem is New Zealand's problem: institutional lassitude making >for self-excusing incompetence reflected in a mirage economy resulting from 40 >years of stagnant productivity and chronic under-performance.



    Remember, this is the way "envy of the world" New Zealand runs its housing >> > policy, not that housing policy is by any means the government's sole
    achilles heel, is it?
    --
    Hmm - started about the time of the Lange government I believe - no government since has been able to completely correct it. The Auckland copuncil has been culpably negligent but then what would any of us expect?

    Tony

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