Bill English has turned down an independent investigation of the
claims in the Hager / Stephenson book, but that will not make the
questions raised go away. For a start the SAS soldier or soldiers who
talked to the authors, and to The Herald, are effectively
whistleblowers who are entitled to protection, and to be heard. They
have been ignored and find themselves in just the position that
whistleblower was supposed to protect them from. The wider SAS can
also feel aggrieved by not having an opportunity to refute claims if
they are untrue, or seeing them properly considered and lessons
learned if they are true. That is a grave disservice to those htat
fight on our behalf.

There may well be an investigation by another body into the aspects of
what actually happened that night, but there are still questions about
what happened in what appears to many to potentially be an attempted
cover-up.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11832645

which includes:
"Government agencies, military or not, really should not be able to
get away with misleading their ministers."

The article was also posted to Pundit, where comments are still
visible (including one National supporter attempting to troll)

It is important that the shifting position of the NZDF is clarified -
this raid was approved by politicians, and it is important that they
receive accurate and complete information


It is apparent that Wayne Mapp at least was not well informed, and he
raised the legitimate query as to what now needs to be dome regarding
the civiians that were killed

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On 8/04/2017 11:16 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

Bill English has turned down an independent investigation of the
claims in the Hager / Stephenson book, but that will not make the
questions raised go away. For a start the SAS soldier or soldiers who
talked to the authors, and to The Herald, are effectively
whistleblowers who are entitled to protection, and to be heard. They
have been ignored and find themselves in just the position that
whistleblower was supposed to protect them from. The wider SAS can
also feel aggrieved by not having an opportunity to refute claims if
they are untrue, or seeing them properly considered and lessons
learned if they are true. That is a grave disservice to those htat
fight on our behalf.

There may well be an investigation by another body into the aspects of
what actually happened that night, but there are still questions about
what happened in what appears to many to potentially be an attempted cover-up.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11832645

which includes:
"Government agencies, military or not, really should not be able to
get away with misleading their ministers."

The article was also posted to Pundit, where comments are still
visible (including one National supporter attempting to troll)

It is important that the shifting position of the NZDF is clarified -
this raid was approved by politicians, and it is important that they
receive accurate and complete information

It is apparent that Wayne Mapp at least was not well informed, and he
raised the legitimate query as to what now needs to be dome regarding
the civiians that were killed

The biggest question in many minds Rich is: Are Hager and Stephenson the unwitting dupes of a Taliban smear campaign. Or is the book just the two bastards exacting revenge on the MoD with the aid of Taliban provocateurs?

Because it reeks of a revenge attack by one of them!

Pooh

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