It starts with Neo-liberalism:
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:However we have one of the best performing economies in the world. Must be luck in the absence of a real political opposition.
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
ways to manage an economy, and we can see the efidence of the
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling >inequality, reduced services in health and education and social
welfare, housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now
lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments
would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and
were adopted by previous governments.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and
vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Would that you were correct, Tony. As it is the last 8 years have
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:However we have one of the best performing economies in the world. Must be luck
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
ways to manage an economy, and we can see the efidence of the
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling >>inequality, reduced services in health and education and social
welfare, housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now
lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments >>would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and
were adopted by previous governments.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and
vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
in the absence of a real political opposition.
Tony
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 03:21:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYour use of sarcasm is getting tiresome - flim flam is your stock in trade, that and lying and abusing people with the use of sarcastic rhetoric.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Would that you were correct, Tony. As it is the last 8 years have
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:However we have one of the best performing economies in the world. Must be >>luck
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
ways to manage an economy, and we can see the efidence of the
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling >>>inequality, reduced services in health and education and social
welfare, housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now
lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments >>>would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and >>>were adopted by previous governments.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and
vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
in the absence of a real political opposition.
Tony
given us high debt, GDP growth almost entirely from a housing bubble, >increased poverty, lower ownership of our land and companies, higher
profits going to overseas owners, lower services for health,
education, clogged roads and little progress on rail, a select few
profiting from crony capitalism, a shattered reputation for clean and
green, polluted water and exposure to diseases of poverty, and a
government that lies about our financial position. Flim flam may be
all you need, but voters want a bit of substance - most are worse off
from a period under National.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 03:21:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYour use of sarcasm is getting tiresome - flim flam is your stock in trade, >that and lying and abusing people with the use of sarcastic rhetoric.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Would that you were correct, Tony. As it is the last 8 years have
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:However we have one of the best performing economies in the world. Must be >>>luck
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better >>>>ways to manage an economy, and we can see the efidence of the >>>>neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling >>>>inequality, reduced services in health and education and social >>>>welfare, housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and >>>>government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now >>>>lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments >>>>would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and >>>>were adopted by previous governments.
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and >>>>vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
in the absence of a real political opposition.
Tony
given us high debt, GDP growth almost entirely from a housing bubble, >>increased poverty, lower ownership of our land and companies, higher >>profits going to overseas owners, lower services for health,
education, clogged roads and little progress on rail, a select few >>profiting from crony capitalism, a shattered reputation for clean and >>green, polluted water and exposure to diseases of poverty, and a
government that lies about our financial position. Flim flam may be
all you need, but voters want a bit of substance - most are worse off
from a period under National.
This government is streets ahead of the last one and that is why it has served >8 years and it is recognised world wide as a success. What I said is right - we
have one of the best performing economies in the world and the last labour >governmentt did not lay the foundation for that, in fact they screwed it up.
Tony
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
ways to manage an economy,
and we can see the efidence of the
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling inequality,
reduced services in health and education and social
welfare,
housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now
lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments
would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and
were adopted by previous governments.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and
vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 23:27:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 03:21:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYour use of sarcasm is getting tiresome - flim flam is your stock in trade, >>that and lying and abusing people with the use of sarcastic rhetoric.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Would that you were correct, Tony. As it is the last 8 years have
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:However we have one of the best performing economies in the world. Must be >>>>luck
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better >>>>>ways to manage an economy, and we can see the efidence of the >>>>>neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling >>>>>inequality, reduced services in health and education and social >>>>>welfare, housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and >>>>>government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now >>>>>lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments >>>>>would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and >>>>>were adopted by previous governments.
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and >>>>>vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
in the absence of a real political opposition.
Tony
given us high debt, GDP growth almost entirely from a housing bubble, >>>increased poverty, lower ownership of our land and companies, higher >>>profits going to overseas owners, lower services for health,
education, clogged roads and little progress on rail, a select few >>>profiting from crony capitalism, a shattered reputation for clean and >>>green, polluted water and exposure to diseases of poverty, and a >>>government that lies about our financial position. Flim flam may be
all you need, but voters want a bit of substance - most are worse off >>>from a period under National.
This government is streets ahead of the last one and that is why it has >>served
8 years and it is recognised world wide as a success. What I said is right - >>we
have one of the best performing economies in the world and the last labour >>governmentt did not lay the foundation for that, in fact they screwed it up. >>
Tony
Yet another fact-free opinion piece, with no suport for the asertions,
and no reference to the facts your are attempting to refute. It
recalls the period just after John Key resigned, when all the National
Party and the press could come up with as achievements from his period
as Prime Minister was that he had a knack of lying convincingly. The
facts are that in all the areas I referred to above, Nw Zealand is in
a worse position now than when the National-led government took office
in 2008. At that time Bill English acknowledged that Labour had left
the country in a strong financial position which helped with his
initial task of borrowing to support the Aussie banks . . .
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 03:21:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Would that you were correct, Tony. As it is the last 8 years have
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:However we have one of the best performing economies in the world. Must be luck
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
ways to manage an economy, and we can see the efidence of the
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling
inequality, reduced services in health and education and social
welfare, housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now
lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments
would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and
were adopted by previous governments.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and
vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
in the absence of a real political opposition.
Tony
given us high debt, GDP growth almost entirely from a housing bubble, increased poverty, lower ownership of our land and companies, higher
profits going to overseas owners, lower services for health,
education, clogged roads and little progress on rail, a select few
profiting from crony capitalism, a shattered reputation for clean and
green, polluted water and exposure to diseases of poverty, and a
government that lies about our financial position. Flim flam may be
all you need, but voters want a bit of substance - most are worse off
from a period under National.
On Friday, 7 April 2017 21:56:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:continue to regurgitate this lie.
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
ways to manage an economy,
Where? The NZ economy is envied by governments around the world.
and we can see the efidence of the
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling
inequality,
"Inequality" is not increasing. You've been shown this many times, but
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-social-indicators/Home/Standard%20of%20living/income-inequality.aspxpower and having to address a) Labour's structural "decade of deficits" and b) Christchurch earthquakes. Since then the economy has been carefully managed into structural
reduced services in health and education and social
welfare,
Complete lie. There are far more services available now than 9 years ago.
housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now
Public debit only had a sharp increase on the current government coming to
lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments
would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and
were adopted by previous governments.
Complete bullshit.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and
vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
Blah blah blah.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:without
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 23:27:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 03:21:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYour use of sarcasm is getting tiresome - flim flam is your stock in trade, >>> that and lying and abusing people with the use of sarcastic rhetoric.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Would that you were correct, Tony. As it is the last 8 years have
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:However we have one of the best performing economies in the world. Must be
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better >>>>>> ways to manage an economy, and we can see the efidence of the
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling >>>>>> inequality, reduced services in health and education and social
welfare, housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now >>>>>> lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments >>>>>> would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and >>>>>> were adopted by previous governments.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and >>>>>> vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
luck
in the absence of a real political opposition.
Tony
given us high debt, GDP growth almost entirely from a housing bubble,
increased poverty, lower ownership of our land and companies, higher
profits going to overseas owners, lower services for health,
education, clogged roads and little progress on rail, a select few
profiting from crony capitalism, a shattered reputation for clean and
green, polluted water and exposure to diseases of poverty, and a
government that lies about our financial position. Flim flam may be
all you need, but voters want a bit of substance - most are worse off
from a period under National.
This government is streets ahead of the last one and that is why it has
served
8 years and it is recognised world wide as a success. What I said is right -
we
have one of the best performing economies in the world and the last labour >>> governmentt did not lay the foundation for that, in fact they screwed it up.
Tony
Yet another fact-free opinion piece, with no suport for the asertions,
and no reference to the facts your are attempting to refute. It
recalls the period just after John Key resigned, when all the National
Party and the press could come up with as achievements from his period
as Prime Minister was that he had a knack of lying convincingly. The
facts are that in all the areas I referred to above, Nw Zealand is in
a worse position now than when the National-led government took office
in 2008. At that time Bill English acknowledged that Labour had left
the country in a strong financial position which helped with his
initial task of borrowing to support the Aussie banks . . .
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/86084805/New-Zealand-tops-world-prosperity-index-again
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-zealand-ranked-number-one-place-in-world-live
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11647996
There is plenty more than that and all recent.
You are full of self-deception and have a complete inability to debate
lying.but
The rest of the world thinks we are doing just fine thank you very much!
Of course there are things that could be done better, that is always true,
we have done so much better than similar countries that you must have aproblem
with honesty to argue otherwise.
Tony
On Friday, 7 April 2017 21:56:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:continue to regurgitate this lie.
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
ways to manage an economy,
Where? The NZ economy is envied by governments around the world.
and we can see the efidence of the
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling
inequality,
"Inequality" is not increasing. You've been shown this many times, but
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-social-indicators/Home/Standard%20of%20living/income-inequality.aspxpower and having to address a) Labour's structural "decade of deficits" and b) Christchurch earthquakes. Since then the economy has been carefully managed into structural
reduced services in health and education and social
welfare,
Complete lie. There are far more services available now than 9 years ago.
housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now
Public debit only had a sharp increase on the current government coming to
lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments
would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and
were adopted by previous governments.
Complete bullshit.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and
vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
Blah blah blah.
On 7 Apr 2017 06:16:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2017-04-06, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The trouble I have is that it has gone on so long!. There are better
It starts with Neo-liberalism:
Um, Rich it is 2017, not the mid 80's.
We all know that, seems you might be having some trouble.
ways to manage an economy, and we can see the efidence of the
neo-liberal plague with the decline of the last 8 years - appalling inequality, reduced services in health and education and social
welfare, housing problems, sell-offs of land and companies and
government entities to foreigners, sharp increase in debt, and now
lying about surpluses by the government (leaving out major commitments
would be unacceptable under the requirements that apply to others, and
were adopted by previous governments.
Spin does not match substance - we are getting increasing spin and
vastly reduced substance from a spin-happy government.
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