• Re: *Actual* rape culture

    From Allistar@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:17:00
    JohnO wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11833009

    Malaysian MP says victims could marry their rapists - even if they are children

    This is standard biblical doctrine. As with most immorality in the old and
    new testaments it is disturbing and disgusting.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, April 05, 2017 16:04:54
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11833009

    Malaysian MP says victims could marry their rapists - even if they are children

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Allistar on Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:49:46
    On 4/6/2017 11:17 AM, Allistar wrote:
    JohnO wrote:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11833009

    Malaysian MP says victims could marry their rapists - even if they are
    children

    This is standard biblical doctrine. As with most immorality in the old and new testaments it is disturbing and disgusting.

    Actually being Malaysian that would be the Koran and nothing to do with
    the bable

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, April 06, 2017 13:46:13
    george152 wrote:

    On 4/6/2017 11:17 AM, Allistar wrote:
    JohnO wrote:


    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11833009

    Malaysian MP says victims could marry their rapists - even if they are
    children

    This is standard biblical doctrine. As with most immorality in the old
    and new testaments it is disturbing and disgusting.

    Actually being Malaysian that would be the Koran and nothing to do with
    the bable

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29, old testament. Very much a Christian teaching and
    Islamic too. It astounds me that people are gullible enough to think that morality comes from religion.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Allistar on Wednesday, April 05, 2017 19:09:06
    On Thursday, 6 April 2017 13:46:19 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    george152 wrote:

    On 4/6/2017 11:17 AM, Allistar wrote:
    JohnO wrote:


    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11833009

    Malaysian MP says victims could marry their rapists - even if they are >>> children

    This is standard biblical doctrine. As with most immorality in the old
    and new testaments it is disturbing and disgusting.

    Actually being Malaysian that would be the Koran and nothing to do with
    the bable

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29, old testament. Very much a Christian teaching and Islamic too. It astounds me that people are gullible enough to think that morality comes from religion.

    Old testament from 1400 years ago really has nothing to do with the beliefs of modern Christians just as thousand year old English law has nothing to do with us today.

    It's really quite silly to keep bringing this up. It's an historical relic.



    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, April 06, 2017 14:32:11
    JohnO wrote:

    On Thursday, 6 April 2017 13:46:19 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    george152 wrote:

    On 4/6/2017 11:17 AM, Allistar wrote:
    JohnO wrote:


    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11833009

    Malaysian MP says victims could marry their rapists - even if they
    are children

    This is standard biblical doctrine. As with most immorality in the old
    and new testaments it is disturbing and disgusting.

    Actually being Malaysian that would be the Koran and nothing to do with
    the bable

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29, old testament. Very much a Christian teaching and
    Islamic too. It astounds me that people are gullible enough to think that
    morality comes from religion.

    Old testament from 1400 years ago really has nothing to do with the
    beliefs of modern Christians just as thousand year old English law has nothing to do with us today.

    It's really quite silly to keep bringing this up. It's an historical
    relic.

    It depends on whether one thinks this is a command from a god or not. If it
    is then it shows what a nasty piece of shit this god is. Supposedly this god
    is not supposed to change its mind. It just seems like a fickle and
    capricious (and fictional) arsehole. If it isn't a command from a deity then why follow any of it? How does one decide which bits to follow and which
    bits not to?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Allistar on Wednesday, April 05, 2017 19:44:40
    On Thursday, 6 April 2017 14:32:17 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    JohnO wrote:

    On Thursday, 6 April 2017 13:46:19 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    george152 wrote:

    On 4/6/2017 11:17 AM, Allistar wrote:
    JohnO wrote:


    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11833009 >> >>>
    Malaysian MP says victims could marry their rapists - even if they
    are children

    This is standard biblical doctrine. As with most immorality in the old >> >> and new testaments it is disturbing and disgusting.

    Actually being Malaysian that would be the Koran and nothing to do with >> > the bable

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29, old testament. Very much a Christian teaching and
    Islamic too. It astounds me that people are gullible enough to think that >> morality comes from religion.

    Old testament from 1400 years ago really has nothing to do with the
    beliefs of modern Christians just as thousand year old English law has nothing to do with us today.

    It's really quite silly to keep bringing this up. It's an historical
    relic.

    It depends on whether one thinks this is a command from a god or not.


    I believe the story goes that it is what Moses said said to the Israelites.

    If it
    is then it shows what a nasty piece of shit this god is. Supposedly this god is not supposed to change its mind. It just seems like a fickle and capricious (and fictional) arsehole. If it isn't a command from a deity then why follow any of it? How does one decide which bits to follow and which
    bits not to?

    As I said, there's no point worrying about the literal reading of a 1400 year old speech.


    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, April 06, 2017 15:43:46
    JohnO wrote:

    On Thursday, 6 April 2017 14:32:17 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    JohnO wrote:

    On Thursday, 6 April 2017 13:46:19 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    george152 wrote:

    On 4/6/2017 11:17 AM, Allistar wrote:
    JohnO wrote:



    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11833009

    Malaysian MP says victims could marry their rapists - even if they
    are children

    This is standard biblical doctrine. As with most immorality in the
    old and new testaments it is disturbing and disgusting.

    Actually being Malaysian that would be the Koran and nothing to do
    with the bable

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29, old testament. Very much a Christian teaching
    and Islamic too. It astounds me that people are gullible enough to
    think that morality comes from religion.

    Old testament from 1400 years ago really has nothing to do with the
    beliefs of modern Christians just as thousand year old English law has
    nothing to do with us today.

    It's really quite silly to keep bringing this up. It's an historical
    relic.

    It depends on whether one thinks this is a command from a god or not.


    I believe the story goes that it is what Moses said said to the
    Israelites.

    If it
    is then it shows what a nasty piece of shit this god is. Supposedly this
    god is not supposed to change its mind. It just seems like a fickle and
    capricious (and fictional) arsehole. If it isn't a command from a deity
    then why follow any of it? How does one decide which bits to follow and
    which bits not to?

    As I said, there's no point worrying about the literal reading of a 1400
    year old speech.

    ...or of *any* of these religious books.

    The point is that modern people get nutty ideas like a victim marrying her rapist from such religious texts. That's why many monuments have been
    destroyed in the middle east in the last decade - because of the second commandment. It's why women are treated like second class citizens in many parts of the world.

    This is why people will fly planes into buildings: because they believe that
    an afterlife is a literal truth. It doesn't matter how mild your belief in
    this nonsense is it's all differing amounts of the same social disease.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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