• Re: "Special rules" prevented police investigating a crime

    From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, March 23, 2017 17:04:11
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the >Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.

    Having assured the public that he had done no such thing, he made a
    second assurance that he would co-operate fully with any police >investigation. Then he didn't.

    As he tells it, after taking legal advice he declined "an invitation"
    to make a statement.

    "As is my right," he adds.

    So it is. We might add, however, that police were confronted by
    special rules for seeking a warrant to search a politician's property
    and were unable to obtain one.

    Their own documents hardly suggest they were issuing Barclay some >out-of-politeness RSVP invitation to top up an investigation already >proceeding to their satisfaction. They had fruitlessly tried to speak
    with him.

    So a 10-month investigation resulted in no prosecution, Barclay has
    been re-selected as the party's candidate for the upcoming election
    and Prime Minister Bill English disappointingly repeats the by-now
    fatuous line that this was essentially only ever an employment matter,
    now resolved, and we should all move on.

    Let's not.
    ____________________________________________

    It is hard to see why he is able to hide behind "special rules" in a
    matter unrelated to his being a politician - we should know more about
    the apparent ability to hide from a crime in this way - was he
    protected by English - who is now seen to have lied about it being an >employment matter . . .
    At least he didn't sign a painting he didn't paint!

    Tony

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, March 24, 2017 10:52:14
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.

    Having assured the public that he had done no such thing, he made a
    second assurance that he would co-operate fully with any police
    investigation. Then he didn't.

    As he tells it, after taking legal advice he declined "an invitation"
    to make a statement.

    "As is my right," he adds.

    So it is. We might add, however, that police were confronted by
    special rules for seeking a warrant to search a politician's property
    and were unable to obtain one.

    Their own documents hardly suggest they were issuing Barclay some out-of-politeness RSVP invitation to top up an investigation already
    proceeding to their satisfaction. They had fruitlessly tried to speak
    with him.

    So a 10-month investigation resulted in no prosecution, Barclay has
    been re-selected as the party's candidate for the upcoming election
    and Prime Minister Bill English disappointingly repeats the by-now
    fatuous line that this was essentially only ever an employment matter,
    now resolved, and we should all move on.

    Let's not.
    ____________________________________________

    It is hard to see why he is able to hide behind "special rules" in a
    matter unrelated to his being a politician - we should know more about
    the apparent ability to hide from a crime in this way - was he
    protected by English - who is now seen to have lied about it being an employment matter . . .

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to nor...@googlegroups.com on Thursday, March 23, 2017 16:01:17
    On Friday, 24 March 2017 10:04:17 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the >Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.

    Having assured the public that he had done no such thing, he made a
    second assurance that he would co-operate fully with any police >investigation. Then he didn't.

    As he tells it, after taking legal advice he declined "an invitation"
    to make a statement.

    "As is my right," he adds.

    So it is. We might add, however, that police were confronted by
    special rules for seeking a warrant to search a politician's property
    and were unable to obtain one.

    Their own documents hardly suggest they were issuing Barclay some >out-of-politeness RSVP invitation to top up an investigation already >proceeding to their satisfaction. They had fruitlessly tried to speak
    with him.

    So a 10-month investigation resulted in no prosecution, Barclay has
    been re-selected as the party's candidate for the upcoming election
    and Prime Minister Bill English disappointingly repeats the by-now
    fatuous line that this was essentially only ever an employment matter,
    now resolved, and we should all move on.

    Let's not.
    ____________________________________________

    It is hard to see why he is able to hide behind "special rules" in a
    matter unrelated to his being a politician - we should know more about
    the apparent ability to hide from a crime in this way - was he
    protected by English - who is now seen to have lied about it being an >employment matter . . .
    At least he didn't sign a painting he didn't paint!

    Tony

    Or be the subject of a complaint of sexual assault involving a swiss ball and a
    cabinet minister's house.

    But hey, it's OK when the left do it. Apparently.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Tony on Friday, March 24, 2017 15:43:45
    On 24/03/2017 10:04 a.m., Tony wrote:
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the
    Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.

    Having assured the public that he had done no such thing, he made a
    second assurance that he would co-operate fully with any police
    investigation. Then he didn't.

    As he tells it, after taking legal advice he declined "an invitation"
    to make a statement.

    "As is my right," he adds.

    So it is. We might add, however, that police were confronted by
    special rules for seeking a warrant to search a politician's property
    and were unable to obtain one.

    Their own documents hardly suggest they were issuing Barclay some
    out-of-politeness RSVP invitation to top up an investigation already
    proceeding to their satisfaction. They had fruitlessly tried to speak
    with him.

    So a 10-month investigation resulted in no prosecution, Barclay has
    been re-selected as the party's candidate for the upcoming election
    and Prime Minister Bill English disappointingly repeats the by-now
    fatuous line that this was essentially only ever an employment matter,
    now resolved, and we should all move on.

    Let's not.
    ____________________________________________

    It is hard to see why he is able to hide behind "special rules" in a
    matter unrelated to his being a politician - we should know more about
    the apparent ability to hide from a crime in this way - was he
    protected by English - who is now seen to have lied about it being an
    employment matter . . .
    At least he didn't sign a painting he didn't paint!

    Tony


    Or get the law changed to stop a charge of theft as a servant ;)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Friday, March 24, 2017 15:44:50
    On 24/03/2017 11:01 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Friday, 24 March 2017 10:04:17 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the
    Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.

    Having assured the public that he had done no such thing, he made a
    second assurance that he would co-operate fully with any police
    investigation. Then he didn't.

    As he tells it, after taking legal advice he declined "an invitation"
    to make a statement.

    "As is my right," he adds.

    So it is. We might add, however, that police were confronted by
    special rules for seeking a warrant to search a politician's property
    and were unable to obtain one.

    Their own documents hardly suggest they were issuing Barclay some
    out-of-politeness RSVP invitation to top up an investigation already
    proceeding to their satisfaction. They had fruitlessly tried to speak
    with him.

    So a 10-month investigation resulted in no prosecution, Barclay has
    been re-selected as the party's candidate for the upcoming election
    and Prime Minister Bill English disappointingly repeats the by-now
    fatuous line that this was essentially only ever an employment matter,
    now resolved, and we should all move on.

    Let's not.
    ____________________________________________

    It is hard to see why he is able to hide behind "special rules" in a
    matter unrelated to his being a politician - we should know more about
    the apparent ability to hide from a crime in this way - was he
    protected by English - who is now seen to have lied about it being an
    employment matter . . .
    At least he didn't sign a painting he didn't paint!

    Tony

    Or be the subject of a complaint of sexual assault involving a swiss ball and
    a cabinet minister's house.

    But hey, it's OK when the left do it. Apparently.


    Not to mention getting immigrants to paint your house to guarantee they
    get into NZ :)

    Pooh

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, March 24, 2017 17:12:04
    On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:01:17 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 24 March 2017 10:04:17 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the
    Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.

    Having assured the public that he had done no such thing, he made a
    second assurance that he would co-operate fully with any police
    investigation. Then he didn't.

    As he tells it, after taking legal advice he declined "an invitation"
    to make a statement.

    "As is my right," he adds.

    So it is. We might add, however, that police were confronted by
    special rules for seeking a warrant to search a politician's property
    and were unable to obtain one.

    Their own documents hardly suggest they were issuing Barclay some
    out-of-politeness RSVP invitation to top up an investigation already
    proceeding to their satisfaction. They had fruitlessly tried to speak
    with him.

    So a 10-month investigation resulted in no prosecution, Barclay has
    been re-selected as the party's candidate for the upcoming election
    and Prime Minister Bill English disappointingly repeats the by-now
    fatuous line that this was essentially only ever an employment matter,
    now resolved, and we should all move on.

    Let's not.
    ____________________________________________

    It is hard to see why he is able to hide behind "special rules" in a
    matter unrelated to his being a politician - we should know more about
    the apparent ability to hide from a crime in this way - was he
    protected by English - who is now seen to have lied about it being an
    employment matter . . .
    At least he didn't sign a painting he didn't paint!

    Tony

    Or be the subject of a complaint of sexual assault involving a swiss ball and a cabinet minister's house.

    But hey, it's OK when the left do it. Apparently.

    Yet again the nat-bots try to deflect from a Nat-lie by claimings its
    all OK because someone else did something they didn't like a long time
    ago . . .

    Whatever those incidents were JohnO, are you and Tony claiming that
    they somehow excuse Bill English from lying now? His lies are
    certainly not as bad as our soldiers killing civilians - but tdoes
    that make lying acceptable to you? If so, why?

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, March 23, 2017 23:20:27
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:01:17 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 24 March 2017 10:04:17 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the
    Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.

    Having assured the public that he had done no such thing, he made a
    second assurance that he would co-operate fully with any police
    investigation. Then he didn't.

    As he tells it, after taking legal advice he declined "an invitation"
    to make a statement.

    "As is my right," he adds.

    So it is. We might add, however, that police were confronted by
    special rules for seeking a warrant to search a politician's property
    and were unable to obtain one.

    Their own documents hardly suggest they were issuing Barclay some
    out-of-politeness RSVP invitation to top up an investigation already
    proceeding to their satisfaction. They had fruitlessly tried to speak
    with him.

    So a 10-month investigation resulted in no prosecution, Barclay has
    been re-selected as the party's candidate for the upcoming election
    and Prime Minister Bill English disappointingly repeats the by-now
    fatuous line that this was essentially only ever an employment matter,
    now resolved, and we should all move on.

    Let's not.
    ____________________________________________

    It is hard to see why he is able to hide behind "special rules" in a
    matter unrelated to his being a politician - we should know more about
    the apparent ability to hide from a crime in this way - was he
    protected by English - who is now seen to have lied about it being an
    employment matter . . .
    At least he didn't sign a painting he didn't paint!

    Tony

    Or be the subject of a complaint of sexual assault involving a swiss ball and >>a cabinet minister's house.

    But hey, it's OK when the left do it. Apparently.

    Yet again the nat-bots try to deflect from a Nat-lie by claimings its
    all OK because someone else did something they didn't like a long time
    ago . . .

    Whatever those incidents were JohnO, are you and Tony claiming that
    they somehow excuse Bill English from lying now? His lies are
    certainly not as bad as our soldiers killing civilians - but tdoes
    that make lying acceptable to you? If so, why?
    What lies - you still provide no evidence!
    I repeat - what lies? You horrible little twister of the truth!
    Tony

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  • From BR@3:770/3 to All on Friday, March 24, 2017 19:51:54
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:52:14 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the >Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.


    Has anyone asked journalist Bradley Ambrose for a comment?

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to buggeroff@spammer.com on Friday, March 24, 2017 23:25:59
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:51:54 +1300, BR <buggeroff@spammer.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:52:14 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the >>Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.


    Has anyone asked journalist Bradley Ambrose for a comment?

    Bill.
    The Nats were quick enough to talk about provacy then, but now
    Eng,iosh lies by saying this is not a matter of privacy or an alleged
    offence, but "only an employment matter." - nothing to see, time to
    move on - look over there!

    An MP should not be ablet o hide behind privacy to which he is
    entitled as an MP when there is an investigation in relatin to a crime
    that MP has possibly committed. I don;t know if this could be referred
    to the privileges committee - if so it would be interesting to see
    what weasel words were used by the majority on that committee to get
    him out of the mess that he has made. Certainly his electorate is not impressed, but it may test the extent to which voters in
    Clutha-Southand would vote for a dog if it was the National candidate.

    We never did find out why Northland had a suddent change of candidate,
    did we . . .

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, March 25, 2017 18:45:20
    On 24/03/2017 4:12 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:01:17 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 24 March 2017 10:04:17 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >>> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/90728035/unhelpful-barclay-faces-fresh-reproach

    EDITORIAL: It wasn't "an employment matter" that Todd Barclay didn't
    want to discuss with police.

    It was a police matter. Not the same thing at all.

    Police didn't want to go over the niceties of employment law with the
    Clutha-Southland MP. They were investigating whether he had illegally
    taped the private conversations of a longserving electorate staff
    member, Glenys Dickson, prior to her departure.

    Having assured the public that he had done no such thing, he made a
    second assurance that he would co-operate fully with any police
    investigation. Then he didn't.

    As he tells it, after taking legal advice he declined "an invitation"
    to make a statement.

    "As is my right," he adds.

    So it is. We might add, however, that police were confronted by
    special rules for seeking a warrant to search a politician's property
    and were unable to obtain one.

    Their own documents hardly suggest they were issuing Barclay some
    out-of-politeness RSVP invitation to top up an investigation already
    proceeding to their satisfaction. They had fruitlessly tried to speak
    with him.

    So a 10-month investigation resulted in no prosecution, Barclay has
    been re-selected as the party's candidate for the upcoming election
    and Prime Minister Bill English disappointingly repeats the by-now
    fatuous line that this was essentially only ever an employment matter, >>>> now resolved, and we should all move on.

    Let's not.
    ____________________________________________

    It is hard to see why he is able to hide behind "special rules" in a
    matter unrelated to his being a politician - we should know more about >>>> the apparent ability to hide from a crime in this way - was he
    protected by English - who is now seen to have lied about it being an
    employment matter . . .
    At least he didn't sign a painting he didn't paint!

    Tony

    Or be the subject of a complaint of sexual assault involving a swiss ball and a cabinet minister's house.

    But hey, it's OK when the left do it. Apparently.

    Yet again the nat-bots try to deflect from a Nat-lie by claimings its
    all OK because someone else did something they didn't like a long time
    ago . . .

    Whatever those incidents were JohnO, are you and Tony claiming that
    they somehow excuse Bill English from lying now? His lies are
    certainly not as bad as our soldiers killing civilians - but tdoes
    that make lying acceptable to you? If so, why?

    BULLSHIT! Your lack of comprehension and glorification of your great and glorious Labour party blind you to the reality of Hager's dirty
    politics. At least your glorious leader is showing some sense in the
    matter. Besides why don't you want to discuss Labours many sins. Do you
    realise all that'll do is destroy what little faith you have in the ever
    more moronic marxist like you on the left?

    Pooh

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