• Lack of respect - a problem of our time

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, February 20, 2016 07:18:33
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/wellington/tim-fookes-morning-show/opinion/tims-take-alternative-flag-flying-insulting/.VscGcl_wjJE.facebook

    Spin has become expected, but the lying and disrespect for our
    traditions

    While I suspect there is no offence against legislation http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0047/latest/whole.html
    and in particular:
    11 Offences involving New Zealand Flag
    (1)
    Every person commits an offence against this Act who,—
    (a)
    without lawful authority, alters the New Zealand Flag by the placement
    thereon of any letter, emblem, or representation:
    (b)
    in or within view of any public place, uses, displays, destroys, or
    damages the New Zealand Flag in any manner with the intention of
    dishonouring it.
    (2)
    In this section the New Zealand Flag means any flag of the design
    depicted in Schedule 1 or of any other design that so closely
    resembles it as to be likely to cause any person to believe that it is
    the design depicted in that schedule.
    (3)
    In any prosecution for an offence against this section the onus of
    proving that any alteration of the New Zealand Flag was lawfully
    authorised shall be on the defendant.
    ——————
    What the Prime Mnister is doing could be seen as coming close to
    offending in terms of 11 (1)(a) of the act, but I suspect not enough
    for a conviction.

    The use of an latenative emblem _by_ a Minister of the Crown and
    representing it as a symbol of New Zealand was almost certainly not
    thought to be even a possiblility when the legislation was written.

    The arrogance and contempt for our traditions is sad however.

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:03:18
    On 20/02/2016 7:18 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:



    Yes but it's only your problem. You shouldn't be suprised that no-one
    respects you.

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:48:11
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 07:18:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:


    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/wellington/tim-fookes-morning-show/opinion/tims-take-alternative-flag-flying-insulting/.VscGcl_wjJE.facebook

    Spin has become expected, but the lying and disrespect for our
    traditions

    While I suspect there is no offence against legislation >http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0047/latest/whole.html
    and in particular:
    11 Offences involving New Zealand Flag
    (1)
    Every person commits an offence against this Act who,—
    (a)
    without lawful authority, alters the New Zealand Flag by the placement >thereon of any letter, emblem, or representation:
    (b)
    in or within view of any public place, uses, displays, destroys, or
    damages the New Zealand Flag in any manner with the intention of
    dishonouring it.
    (2)
    In this section the New Zealand Flag means any flag of the design
    depicted in Schedule 1 or of any other design that so closely
    resembles it as to be likely to cause any person to believe that it is
    the design depicted in that schedule.
    (3)
    In any prosecution for an offence against this section the onus of
    proving that any alteration of the New Zealand Flag was lawfully
    authorised shall be on the defendant.
    ——————
    What the Prime Mnister is doing could be seen as coming close to
    offending in terms of 11 (1)(a) of the act, but I suspect not enough
    for a conviction.

    The use of an latenative emblem _by_ a Minister of the Crown and >representing it as a symbol of New Zealand was almost certainly not
    thought to be even a possiblility when the legislation was written.

    The arrogance and contempt for our traditions is sad however.

    You are paranoid over Key .
    So much so it is unhealthy.

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to Liberty on Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:52:32
    On 20/02/2016 10:48 a.m., Liberty wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 07:18:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:


    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/wellington/tim-fookes-morning-show/opinion/tims-take-alternative-flag-flying-insulting/.VscGcl_wjJE.facebook

    Spin has become expected, but the lying and disrespect for our
    traditions

    While I suspect there is no offence against legislation
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0047/latest/whole.html
    and in particular:
    11 Offences involving New Zealand Flag
    (1)
    Every person commits an offence against this Act who,—
    (a)
    without lawful authority, alters the New Zealand Flag by the placement
    thereon of any letter, emblem, or representation:
    (b)
    in or within view of any public place, uses, displays, destroys, or
    damages the New Zealand Flag in any manner with the intention of
    dishonouring it.
    (2)
    In this section the New Zealand Flag means any flag of the design
    depicted in Schedule 1 or of any other design that so closely
    resembles it as to be likely to cause any person to believe that it is
    the design depicted in that schedule.
    (3)
    In any prosecution for an offence against this section the onus of
    proving that any alteration of the New Zealand Flag was lawfully
    authorised shall be on the defendant.
    ——————
    What the Prime Mnister is doing could be seen as coming close to
    offending in terms of 11 (1)(a) of the act, but I suspect not enough
    for a conviction.

    The use of an latenative emblem _by_ a Minister of the Crown and
    representing it as a symbol of New Zealand was almost certainly not
    thought to be even a possiblility when the legislation was written.

    The arrogance and contempt for our traditions is sad however.

    You are paranoid over Key .
    So much so it is unhealthy.

    Not just Key - the entire National party.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to Fred on Saturday, February 20, 2016 13:12:49
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 10:52:32 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2016 10:48 a.m., Liberty wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 07:18:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/wellington/tim-fookes-morning-show/opinion/tims-take-alternative-flag-flying-insulting/.VscGcl_wjJE.facebook

    Spin has become expected, but the lying and disrespect for our
    traditions

    While I suspect there is no offence against legislation
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0047/latest/whole.html
    and in particular:
    11 Offences involving New Zealand Flag
    (1)
    Every person commits an offence against this Act who,—
    (a)
    without lawful authority, alters the New Zealand Flag by the placement
    thereon of any letter, emblem, or representation:
    (b)
    in or within view of any public place, uses, displays, destroys, or
    damages the New Zealand Flag in any manner with the intention of
    dishonouring it.
    (2)
    In this section the New Zealand Flag means any flag of the design
    depicted in Schedule 1 or of any other design that so closely
    resembles it as to be likely to cause any person to believe that it is
    the design depicted in that schedule.
    (3)
    In any prosecution for an offence against this section the onus of
    proving that any alteration of the New Zealand Flag was lawfully
    authorised shall be on the defendant.
    ——————
    What the Prime Mnister is doing could be seen as coming close to
    offending in terms of 11 (1)(a) of the act, but I suspect not enough
    for a conviction.

    The use of an latenative emblem _by_ a Minister of the Crown and
    representing it as a symbol of New Zealand was almost certainly not
    thought to be even a possiblility when the legislation was written.

    The arrogance and contempt for our traditions is sad however.

    You are paranoid over Key .
    So much so it is unhealthy.

    Not just Key - the entire National party.
    I think blaming the whole National Party is a bit strong, Fred, this
    may shed light on the leading culprits http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11592540

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, February 20, 2016 13:27:15
    On 20/02/2016 1:12 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 10:52:32 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2016 10:48 a.m., Liberty wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 07:18:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/wellington/tim-fookes-morning-show/opinion/tims-take-alternative-flag-flying-insulting/.VscGcl_wjJE.facebook

    Spin has become expected, but the lying and disrespect for our
    traditions

    While I suspect there is no offence against legislation
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0047/latest/whole.html
    and in particular:
    11 Offences involving New Zealand Flag
    (1)
    Every person commits an offence against this Act who,—
    (a)
    without lawful authority, alters the New Zealand Flag by the placement >>>> thereon of any letter, emblem, or representation:
    (b)
    in or within view of any public place, uses, displays, destroys, or
    damages the New Zealand Flag in any manner with the intention of
    dishonouring it.
    (2)
    In this section the New Zealand Flag means any flag of the design
    depicted in Schedule 1 or of any other design that so closely
    resembles it as to be likely to cause any person to believe that it is >>>> the design depicted in that schedule.
    (3)
    In any prosecution for an offence against this section the onus of
    proving that any alteration of the New Zealand Flag was lawfully
    authorised shall be on the defendant.
    ——————
    What the Prime Mnister is doing could be seen as coming close to
    offending in terms of 11 (1)(a) of the act, but I suspect not enough
    for a conviction.

    The use of an latenative emblem _by_ a Minister of the Crown and
    representing it as a symbol of New Zealand was almost certainly not
    thought to be even a possiblility when the legislation was written.

    The arrogance and contempt for our traditions is sad however.

    You are paranoid over Key .
    So much so it is unhealthy.

    Not just Key - the entire National party.
    I think blaming the whole National Party is a bit strong, Fred, this
    may shed light on the leading culprits http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11592540

    I'm suprised you read the childish crap that 'journalist' comes up with.
    But it is unhealthy to be paranoid against the entire National party.
    Your problem - if you choose to do nothing about it other than to spin
    every written word you ever read, then sobeit. Help is available.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to Fred on Saturday, February 20, 2016 13:53:54
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:27:15 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2016 1:12 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 10:52:32 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2016 10:48 a.m., Liberty wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 07:18:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:


    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/wellington/tim-fookes-morning-show/opinion/tims-take-alternative-flag-flying-insulting/.VscGcl_wjJE.facebook

    Spin has become expected, but the lying and disrespect for our
    traditions

    While I suspect there is no offence against legislation
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0047/latest/whole.html >>>>> and in particular:
    11 Offences involving New Zealand Flag
    (1)
    Every person commits an offence against this Act who,—
    (a)
    without lawful authority, alters the New Zealand Flag by the placement >>>>> thereon of any letter, emblem, or representation:
    (b)
    in or within view of any public place, uses, displays, destroys, or
    damages the New Zealand Flag in any manner with the intention of
    dishonouring it.
    (2)
    In this section the New Zealand Flag means any flag of the design
    depicted in Schedule 1 or of any other design that so closely
    resembles it as to be likely to cause any person to believe that it is >>>>> the design depicted in that schedule.
    (3)
    In any prosecution for an offence against this section the onus of
    proving that any alteration of the New Zealand Flag was lawfully
    authorised shall be on the defendant.
    ——————
    What the Prime Mnister is doing could be seen as coming close to
    offending in terms of 11 (1)(a) of the act, but I suspect not enough >>>>> for a conviction.

    The use of an latenative emblem _by_ a Minister of the Crown and
    representing it as a symbol of New Zealand was almost certainly not >>>>> thought to be even a possiblility when the legislation was written.

    The arrogance and contempt for our traditions is sad however.

    You are paranoid over Key .
    So much so it is unhealthy.

    Not just Key - the entire National party.
    I think blaming the whole National Party is a bit strong, Fred, this
    may shed light on the leading culprits
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11592540

    I'm suprised you read the childish crap that 'journalist' comes up with.
    You may be surprised at how widely I do read, Fred.

    But it is unhealthy to be paranoid against the entire National party.

    Which of course I am not - as I said to blame the whole NAtional party
    for the Flag issue as you may have been suggesting would be wrong; in
    fact I believe there are a number of National MPs who are appalled at
    the waste of money and political capital from the poorly run campaign.

    Your problem - if you choose to do nothing about it other than to spin
    every written word you ever read, then sobeit. Help is available.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Fred on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:49:53
    "Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:na7vp8$skm$1@dont-email.me...
    On 20/02/2016 7:18 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:



    Yes but it's only your problem. You shouldn't be suprised that no-one respects you.


    Even though I oppose the corporate emblem that Key is pushing Richies widdle grizzle is just more bullshit from the loopiest member of the loopy left:)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Fred on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:52:01
    "Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:na8bnm$a28$1@dont-email.me...
    On 20/02/2016 1:12 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 10:52:32 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2016 10:48 a.m., Liberty wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 07:18:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/wellington/tim-fookes-morning-show/opinion/tims-take-alternative-flag-flying-insulting/.VscGcl_wjJE.facebook

    Spin has become expected, but the lying and disrespect for our
    traditions

    While I suspect there is no offence against legislation
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0047/latest/whole.html >>>>> and in particular:
    11 Offences involving New Zealand Flag
    (1)
    Every person commits an offence against this Act who,—
    (a)
    without lawful authority, alters the New Zealand Flag by the placement >>>>> thereon of any letter, emblem, or representation:
    (b)
    in or within view of any public place, uses, displays, destroys, or
    damages the New Zealand Flag in any manner with the intention of
    dishonouring it.
    (2)
    In this section the New Zealand Flag means any flag of the design
    depicted in Schedule 1 or of any other design that so closely
    resembles it as to be likely to cause any person to believe that it is >>>>> the design depicted in that schedule.
    (3)
    In any prosecution for an offence against this section the onus of
    proving that any alteration of the New Zealand Flag was lawfully
    authorised shall be on the defendant.
    ——————
    What the Prime Mnister is doing could be seen as coming close to
    offending in terms of 11 (1)(a) of the act, but I suspect not enough >>>>> for a conviction.

    The use of an latenative emblem _by_ a Minister of the Crown and
    representing it as a symbol of New Zealand was almost certainly not >>>>> thought to be even a possiblility when the legislation was written.

    The arrogance and contempt for our traditions is sad however.

    You are paranoid over Key .
    So much so it is unhealthy.

    Not just Key - the entire National party.
    I think blaming the whole National Party is a bit strong, Fred, this
    may shed light on the leading culprits
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11592540

    I'm suprised you read the childish crap that 'journalist' comes up with.
    But it is unhealthy to be paranoid against the entire National party. Your problem - if you choose to do nothing about it other than to spin every written word you ever read, then sobeit. Help is available.

    Fred it's a comedy opinion piece. Much like all of Richies posts here. On'y good for a chuckle, though Rich needs a LOT more work on his comic delivery before it gets out of the sick making range it occupies currently.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:52:45
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:s4efcb9gnhvgotldgid2om4jqqlg14nn8l@4ax.com...
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:27:15 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2016 1:12 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 10:52:32 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2016 10:48 a.m., Liberty wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 07:18:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:


    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/wellington/tim-fookes-morning-show/opinion/tims-take-alternative-flag-flying-insulting/.VscGcl_wjJE.facebook

    Spin has become expected, but the lying and disrespect for our
    traditions

    While I suspect there is no offence against legislation
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0047/latest/whole.html >>>>>> and in particular:
    11 Offences involving New Zealand Flag
    (1)
    Every person commits an offence against this Act who,-
    (a)
    without lawful authority, alters the New Zealand Flag by the
    placement
    thereon of any letter, emblem, or representation:
    (b)
    in or within view of any public place, uses, displays, destroys, or >>>>>> damages the New Zealand Flag in any manner with the intention of
    dishonouring it.
    (2)
    In this section the New Zealand Flag means any flag of the design
    depicted in Schedule 1 or of any other design that so closely
    resembles it as to be likely to cause any person to believe that it >>>>>> is
    the design depicted in that schedule.
    (3)
    In any prosecution for an offence against this section the onus of >>>>>> proving that any alteration of the New Zealand Flag was lawfully
    authorised shall be on the defendant.
    ------
    What the Prime Mnister is doing could be seen as coming close to
    offending in terms of 11 (1)(a) of the act, but I suspect not enough >>>>>> for a conviction.

    The use of an latenative emblem _by_ a Minister of the Crown and
    representing it as a symbol of New Zealand was almost certainly not >>>>>> thought to be even a possiblility when the legislation was written. >>>>>>
    The arrogance and contempt for our traditions is sad however.

    You are paranoid over Key .
    So much so it is unhealthy.

    Not just Key - the entire National party.
    I think blaming the whole National Party is a bit strong, Fred, this
    may shed light on the leading culprits
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11592540

    I'm suprised you read the childish crap that 'journalist' comes up with.
    You may be surprised at how widely I do read, Fred.

    But it is unhealthy to be paranoid against the entire National party.

    Which of course I am not - as I said to blame the whole NAtional party
    for the Flag issue as you may have been suggesting would be wrong; in
    fact I believe there are a number of National MPs who are appalled at
    the waste of money and political capital from the poorly run campaign.

    Your problem - if you choose to do nothing about it other than to spin >>every written word you ever read, then sobeit. Help is available.

    Lying Labour tool!

    Pooh

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