So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! >http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
So how was it a few years ago?
Well we do have a report from MSD from a couple of years ago regarding
drug tests for beneficiaries >https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/official-information-responses/290416-beneficiary-statistics.pdf
Out of 31,791 Referrals for drug testable positions - and of those, 55
had a sanction applied to their benefit (ie their benefit was reduced
- presumably these are, consistent with the advice from Blll English,
not successful in their job application.
Now 55 "druggies" out of 33,791 may sound like a high number to those >concerned about any drugs, but t compares with 15,000 "sanctions"
applied for other reasons - clearly drugs werent much of an iossue for >employment back in 2015.
So what has gone wrong? In two years, we have gone from a very small
problem to one that has employers talking to the PM about their
problems with applicants failing drug tests twice a week!
Now of course the employers may not be taling about beneficiaries
applyng for jobs, but if that is the case it does make you wonder why >beneficiaries should be so much better than non-beneficiaries about
applying for a job and failing a drug test - I'd be happy for someone
to tell me why that would beso, but on teh face of it it seems that
the last two years have seen a major declne in the ability of job
applicants to avoid being tested while under the influence of drugs -
and that indicates a major failure of government drug programmes, WINZ
/ MSD policies.
Its good of Bill English to acknowledge failure - it may encourage
some, including opposition parties - to provide him with assistance
on the policy front - clearly he has not been getting good advice
since becoming PM, but such an admission of failure is novel from this >government - I'm fairly sure Key would have hidden / fudges / straight
out lied. What a difference a few mnths make - but there seems to be
no indication that National has any plans or ideas to reverse the
negative trend under their governance, other than to keep immigrants
flowing in . . . .
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>They (America) and the Government must have learned from you and your Labour party who do exactly that with "poverty" fables in this country.
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >>increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! >>http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
So how was it a few years ago?
Well we do have a report from MSD from a couple of years ago regarding
drug tests for beneficiaries >>https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/official-information-responses/290416-beneficiary-statistics.pdf
Out of 31,791 Referrals for drug testable positions - and of those, 55
had a sanction applied to their benefit (ie their benefit was reduced
- presumably these are, consistent with the advice from Blll English,
not successful in their job application.
Now 55 "druggies" out of 33,791 may sound like a high number to those >>concerned about any drugs, but t compares with 15,000 "sanctions"
applied for other reasons - clearly drugs werent much of an iossue for >>employment back in 2015.
So what has gone wrong? In two years, we have gone from a very small >>problem to one that has employers talking to the PM about their
problems with applicants failing drug tests twice a week!
Now of course the employers may not be taling about beneficiaries
applyng for jobs, but if that is the case it does make you wonder why >>beneficiaries should be so much better than non-beneficiaries about >>applying for a job and failing a drug test - I'd be happy for someone
to tell me why that would beso, but on teh face of it it seems that
the last two years have seen a major declne in the ability of job >>applicants to avoid being tested while under the influence of drugs -
and that indicates a major failure of government drug programmes, WINZ
/ MSD policies.
Its good of Bill English to acknowledge failure - it may encourage
some, including opposition parties - to provide him with assistance
on the policy front - clearly he has not been getting good advice
since becoming PM, but such an admission of failure is novel from this >>government - I'm fairly sure Key would have hidden / fudges / straight
out lied. What a difference a few mnths make - but there seems to be
no indication that National has any plans or ideas to reverse the
negative trend under their governance, other than to keep immigrants >>flowing in . . . .
And looking back to a little earlier the testing regime was said to
be a success! >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11184479
So now we have a prime minister making immigration policy on the basis
of a few employers anecdotal stories . . . as in America . . .
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! >http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for[snip]
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >>increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! >>http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as
you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
And how many are Australians who also are free to live and work here?I am sure you can look that up, but to get back to the drug issue,
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for[snip]
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net
increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad!
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as
you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for[snip]
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year >>the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >>increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories >>about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! >>http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as
you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information
available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
So how was it a few years ago?
Well we do have a report from MSD from a couple of years ago regarding
drug tests for beneficiaries https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/official-information-responses/290416-beneficiary-statistics.pdf
Out of 31,791 Referrals for drug testable positions - and of those, 55
had a sanction applied to their benefit (ie their benefit was reduced
- presumably these are, consistent with the advice from Blll English,
not successful in their job application.
Now 55 "druggies" out of 33,791 may sound like a high number to those concerned about any drugs, but t compares with 15,000 "sanctions"
applied for other reasons - clearly drugs werent much of an iossue for employment back in 2015.
So what has gone wrong? In two years, we have gone from a very small
problem to one that has employers talking to the PM about their
problems with applicants failing drug tests twice a week!
Now of course the employers may not be taling about beneficiaries
applyng for jobs, but if that is the case it does make you wonder why beneficiaries should be so much better than non-beneficiaries about
applying for a job and failing a drug test - I'd be happy for someone
to tell me why that would beso, but on teh face of it it seems that
the last two years have seen a major declne in the ability of job
applicants to avoid being tested while under the influence of drugs -
and that indicates a major failure of government drug programmes, WINZ
/ MSD policies.
Its good of Bill English to acknowledge failure - it may encourage
some, including opposition parties - to provide him with assistance
on the policy front - clearly he has not been getting good advice
since becoming PM, but such an admission of failure is novel from this government - I'm fairly sure Key would have hidden / fudges / straight
out lied. What a difference a few mnths make - but there seems to be
no indication that National has any plans or ideas to reverse the
negative trend under their governance, other than to keep immigrants
flowing in . . . .
On 2/28/2017 8:09 PM, Crash wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for[snip]
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net
increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad!
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as
you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Drugs in industry are a problem and one that has a solution.
You want a job, keep your job or do anything with your employment DONT
DO DRUGS..
Turn up on time to start work, be interested in your job and make
yourself not indispensable but as near as you can make it..
On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:23:50 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for[snip]
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net
increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad!
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as
you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information
available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
In other words, Crash, Dickbot can't answer and lacks the skill required to be even be lead by the nose towards the answer.
On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:23:50 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:be even be lead by the nose towards the answer.
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for[snip]
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net
increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad!
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as
you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information
available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
In other words, Crash, Dickbot can't answer and lacks the skill required to
On 2017-02-28, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:be even be lead by the nose towards the answer.
On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:23:50 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for >>>>> jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year >>>>> the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >>>>> increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories >>>>> about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad![snip]
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as >>>> you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information
available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
In other words, Crash, Dickbot can't answer and lacks the skill required to
Maybe but in both cases the figures, stats, show that their point of view is not supported by the figures. Or each thinks that the other is a fool, and both have the sense not to argue with them as then all would know there
would be two fools.
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:24:45 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>be even be lead by the nose towards the answer.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:23:50 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for >>>>> jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year >>>>> the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >>>>> increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories >>>>> about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad![snip]
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as >>>> you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information
available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
In other words, Crash, Dickbot can't answer and lacks the skill required to
It has nothing to do with Bill English and his fantasies over why
imigrants are preferred by some employers, and that this is caused by
NZ applicants being on drugs.
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:24:45 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:23:50 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for[snip]
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year >>> >>the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net
increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad!
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as
you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information
available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
In other words, Crash, Dickbot can't answer and lacks the skill required to be even be lead by the nose towards the answer.
It has nothing to do with Bill English and his fantasies over why
imigrants are preferred by some employers, and that this is caused by
NZ applicants being on drugs.
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:23:59 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for >>>>jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year >>>>the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >>>>increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories >>>>about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! >>>>http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html[snip]
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people >>>can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis' >>>willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as >>>you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ >>>citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information >>available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
Rich - I am asking you. You made claims in your original post and I
asked you a question to validate your claim. Over to you (again).
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for[snip]
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year >>>the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >>>increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories >>>about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! >>>http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as
you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information
available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad! http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
So how was it a few years ago?
Well we do have a report from MSD from a couple of years ago regarding
drug tests for beneficiaries https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/official-information-responses/290416-beneficiary-statistics.pdf
Out of 31,791 Referrals for drug testable positions - and of those, 55
had a sanction applied to their benefit (ie their benefit was reduced
- presumably these are, consistent with the advice from Blll English,
not successful in their job application.
Now 55 "druggies" out of 33,791 may sound like a high number to those concerned about any drugs, but t compares with 15,000 "sanctions"
applied for other reasons - clearly drugs werent much of an iossue for employment back in 2015.
So what has gone wrong? In two years, we have gone from a very small
problem to one that has employers talking to the PM about their
problems with applicants failing drug tests twice a week!
Now of course the employers may not be taling about beneficiaries
applyng for jobs, but if that is the case it does make you wonder why beneficiaries should be so much better than non-beneficiaries about
applying for a job and failing a drug test - I'd be happy for someone
to tell me why that would beso, but on teh face of it it seems that
the last two years have seen a major declne in the ability of job
applicants to avoid being tested while under the influence of drugs -
and that indicates a major failure of government drug programmes, WINZ
/ MSD policies.
Its good of Bill English to acknowledge failure - it may encourage
some, including opposition parties - to provide him with assistance
on the policy front - clearly he has not been getting good advice
since becoming PM, but such an admission of failure is novel from this government - I'm fairly sure Key would have hidden / fudges / straight
out lied. What a difference a few mnths make - but there seems to be
no indication that National has any plans or ideas to reverse the
negative trend under their governance, other than to keep immigrants
flowing in . . . .
On Thu, 02 Mar 2017 20:34:00 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:23:59 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:11:32 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for >>>>> jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year >>>>> the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net >>>>> increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories >>>>> about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad![snip]
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
In the article you cite Bill English is quoted only as saying "One of
the hurdles these days is passing a drug test, a lot of young people
can't pass that test." and "If you go around the country you'll hear
all sorts of stories, some good, some not so good about Kiwis'
willingness and ability to do the jobs that are available."
There are other quotes about potential solutions - but no admission as >>>> you claim. The article itself is fairly shallow with no evidence of
any supporting statistics to make a point. Bill English's comments
are also fairly shallow.
Rich, of the 77,000 net immigrant gain, how many are returning NZ
citizens (which is a vote of confidence in the NZ economy and they
cannot be declined permission to return)? How many are refugees
(which you would berate the Nats for if they were not accepted)?
Try statistics New Zealand and Immigration New Zealand. With your
technical skills and the governments openness to making information
available I am sure you will have no trouble - do tell us what you
learn . . .
Rich - I am asking you. You made claims in your original post and I
asked you a question to validate your claim. Over to you (again).
I made no claim about returning New Zealanders - it is not relevant to
the point I was making - if you think it was relevant look up the
numbers yourself and explain your argument..
Rich80105 wrote:
So employers ae having big problems with New Zealanders applying for
jobs and failing drug tests - and it is so bad that over the last year
the government enabled a huge number of immigrants taking us to a net
increase forthe year of 77,000. English is getting anecdotal stories
about these druggies every week - its clearly getting bad!
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/bill-english-blames-unemployment-on-drug-tests.html
So how was it a few years ago?
Well we do have a report from MSD from a couple of years ago regarding
drug tests for beneficiaries
https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/official-information-responses/290416-beneficiary-statistics.pdf
Out of 31,791 Referrals for drug testable positions - and of those, 55
had a sanction applied to their benefit (ie their benefit was reduced
- presumably these are, consistent with the advice from Blll English,
not successful in their job application.
Now 55 "druggies" out of 33,791 may sound like a high number to those
concerned about any drugs, but t compares with 15,000 "sanctions"
applied for other reasons - clearly drugs werent much of an iossue for
employment back in 2015.
So what has gone wrong? In two years, we have gone from a very small
problem to one that has employers talking to the PM about their
problems with applicants failing drug tests twice a week!
Now of course the employers may not be taling about beneficiaries
applyng for jobs, but if that is the case it does make you wonder why
beneficiaries should be so much better than non-beneficiaries about
applying for a job and failing a drug test - I'd be happy for someone
to tell me why that would beso, but on teh face of it it seems that
the last two years have seen a major declne in the ability of job
applicants to avoid being tested while under the influence of drugs -
and that indicates a major failure of government drug programmes, WINZ
/ MSD policies.
Its good of Bill English to acknowledge failure - it may encourage
some, including opposition parties - to provide him with assistance
on the policy front - clearly he has not been getting good advice
since becoming PM, but such an admission of failure is novel from this
government - I'm fairly sure Key would have hidden / fudges / straight
out lied. What a difference a few mnths make - but there seems to be
no indication that National has any plans or ideas to reverse the
negative trend under their governance, other than to keep immigrants
flowing in . . . .
Are you suggesting that the more people abusing drugs is a failure of the government. Really?
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