• Do businesses really need government assistance to pay wages?

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:17:10
    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2017/02/the-living-wage-and-corporate-welfare.html

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, February 23, 2017 13:07:17
    Rich80105 wrote:

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2017/02/the-living-wage-and-corporate-welfare.html

    Welfare is not "government assistance for businesses". Businesses pay people what their services are worth based on market forces.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to Allistar on Thursday, February 23, 2017 07:13:09
    On 2017-02-23, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2017/02/the-living-wage-and-corporate-welfare.html

    Welfare is not "government assistance for businesses". Businesses pay people what their services are worth based on market forces.

    Yes, that is it maybe. The point of the article is that these business folks want the Government to *subsidise* the workers wages so that they can bigger profits.

    Can you see that Market forces are not being allowed to Govern? As if they every did.

    This is in effect a tax cut for the better off paid for by the vanishing
    middle class.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to Gordon on Friday, February 24, 2017 11:06:18
    Gordon wrote:

    On 2017-02-23, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2017/02/the-living-wage-and-corporate-welfare.html

    Welfare is not "government assistance for businesses". Businesses pay
    people what their services are worth based on market forces.

    Yes, that is it maybe. The point of the article is that these business
    folks want the Government to *subsidise* the workers wages so that they
    can bigger profits.

    A causal factor here is that people are willing to work for such low wages.
    If they weren't then business would have no choice bu to pay more. That's supply and demand. Currently there's a supply of people willing to work for
    the low wages. This is one of the key roles of unionisation, workers should unite and refuse to work for such low amounts.

    At the end of the day the work being done is trivial enough that it's very
    easy to find someone capable of doing it.

    Can you see that Market forces are not being allowed to Govern? As if they every did.

    There is no true free market while the government is involved.

    This is in effect a tax cut for the better off paid for by the vanishing middle class.

    I don't see it that way, the "better off paid" already pay far more than
    their fair share of taxes based on the services they use.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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