"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt.
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
"Pooh" wrote in message >news:3e0ac2dd-f4b1-8dc9-498f-09c2603528e2@hotmail.com...
On 9/02/2017 2:04 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
yup. BBC Knowledge from memory. I'm a big fan of Tony.
Your bible quote could be what Job was on about. They've found evidence
of human habitation at the bottom of the Black sea. But that may have
been brought on by the flooding the covered the area around the Dogger
Bank in the North sea. This area to has evidence of humans inhabiting
what is now the sea floor. I find it all facinating considering there is >evidence of sea level rise and glacier retreat going back at least
10,000 years and several ports that were carved out by the Romans 2000+
years ago are now underwater.
The problem with current climate change beliefs is they only have a few
years worth of accurate figures and seem to be ignoring the wealth of >evidence from geological sites around the world.
Pooh
The Atlantic coming through the Pillars of Hercules (Straits of Gibraltar) >must have been quite a sight too.
But that would be well before any civilized humans were around.
The Aral Sea is now apparently dry. I wonder what legends may be around
about that in a few thousand years.
The Channel is quite recent too. Just as well it's there. Saved us from >invasion by France, Spain or Germany.
After France fell we expected invasion any day, but Hitler missed his
chance.
Many of the old legends would have had natural causes. The miraculous >crossing of the Red Sea must have been a large tsunami.
The miracle was the exact timing, water receding allowing the Children of >Israel to cross, then the wave returning to drown Pharaoh's army.
If it started in Indonesia it would have taken several hours to arrive. The >crossing is thought to have occurred at one of the small branches in the >north of the Red Sea, not the main sea itself.
And at the battle of Mortimer's Cross (Wars of the Roses) three suns were >seen in the sky, foretelling a York victory.
Today we know they were "sundogs", an atmospheric event.
If our civilization is destroyed by a nuclear war or volcanic event, I
wonder what legends will be around in five thousand years or so.
Planes, giant cruise ships, cars, all the marvels of electricity like TV,
war weapons, medical procedures we now take for granted like heart >transplants, men on the moon?
As our remaining descendants scratch a living from a depleted and polluted >Earth they will pass on their legends and marvel. Could it have been true?
Geopelia
"Pooh" wrote in message >news:3e0ac2dd-f4b1-8dc9-498f-09c2603528e2@hotmail.com...
On 9/02/2017 2:04 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
yup. BBC Knowledge from memory. I'm a big fan of Tony.
Your bible quote could be what Job was on about. They've found evidence
of human habitation at the bottom of the Black sea. But that may have
been brought on by the flooding the covered the area around the Dogger
Bank in the North sea. This area to has evidence of humans inhabiting
what is now the sea floor. I find it all facinating considering there is >evidence of sea level rise and glacier retreat going back at least
10,000 years and several ports that were carved out by the Romans 2000+
years ago are now underwater.
The problem with current climate change beliefs is they only have a few
years worth of accurate figures and seem to be ignoring the wealth of >evidence from geological sites around the world.
Pooh
The Atlantic coming through the Pillars of Hercules (Straits of Gibraltar) >must have been quite a sight too.
But that would be well before any civilized humans were around.
The Aral Sea is now apparently dry. I wonder what legends may be around
about that in a few thousand years.
The Channel is quite recent too. Just as well it's there. Saved us from >invasion by France, Spain or Germany.
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:56:41 +1300, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message
news:3e0ac2dd-f4b1-8dc9-498f-09c2603528e2@hotmail.com...
On 9/02/2017 2:04 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if >>> it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
yup. BBC Knowledge from memory. I'm a big fan of Tony.
Your bible quote could be what Job was on about. They've found evidence
of human habitation at the bottom of the Black sea. But that may have
been brought on by the flooding the covered the area around the Dogger
Bank in the North sea. This area to has evidence of humans inhabiting
what is now the sea floor. I find it all facinating considering there is
evidence of sea level rise and glacier retreat going back at least
10,000 years and several ports that were carved out by the Romans 2000+
years ago are now underwater.
The problem with current climate change beliefs is they only have a few
years worth of accurate figures and seem to be ignoring the wealth of
evidence from geological sites around the world.
Pooh
The Atlantic coming through the Pillars of Hercules (Straits of Gibraltar) >> must have been quite a sight too.
But that would be well before any civilized humans were around.
The Aral Sea is now apparently dry. I wonder what legends may be around
about that in a few thousand years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea
"The shrinking of the Aral Sea has been called "one of the planet's
worst environmental disasters".[9][10] The region's once-prosperous
fishing industry has been essentially destroyed, bringing unemployment
and economic hardship. The Aral Sea region is also heavily polluted,
with consequential serious public health problems."
Hopefully the legends will tell of the near disaster caused by an
unthinking government whose irrigation projects caused a disaster,
which was recovered by a lot of hard work onmoney - ilustrating why it
is important to look after our rivers!
(New Zealand is heading for a disaster of its own with our government encouraging disastrous irrigation plans that are already wrecking many
of our rivers.)
The Channel is quite recent too. Just as well it's there. Saved us from
invasion by France, Spain or Germany.
That's about 500,000 amd 250,000 years ago in two masssive floods due
to ice-dams breaking. Probably not influenced by man.
After France fell we expected invasion any day, but Hitler missed his
chance.
Many of the old legends would have had natural causes. The miraculous
crossing of the Red Sea must have been a large tsunami.
The miracle was the exact timing, water receding allowing the Children of
Israel to cross, then the wave returning to drown Pharaoh's army.
If it started in Indonesia it would have taken several hours to arrive. The >> crossing is thought to have occurred at one of the small branches in the
north of the Red Sea, not the main sea itself.
And at the battle of Mortimer's Cross (Wars of the Roses) three suns were
seen in the sky, foretelling a York victory.
Today we know they were "sundogs", an atmospheric event.
If our civilization is destroyed by a nuclear war or volcanic event, I
wonder what legends will be around in five thousand years or so.
Planes, giant cruise ships, cars, all the marvels of electricity like TV,
war weapons, medical procedures we now take for granted like heart
transplants, men on the moon?
As our remaining descendants scratch a living from a depleted and polluted >> Earth they will pass on their legends and marvel. Could it have been true? >>
Geopelia
"Rich80105" wrote in message news:4kmt9c95d3vr7sql0jfemridamam1dlp12@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:56:41 +1300, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message
news:3e0ac2dd-f4b1-8dc9-498f-09c2603528e2@hotmail.com...
On 9/02/2017 2:04 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if >>> it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
yup. BBC Knowledge from memory. I'm a big fan of Tony.
Your bible quote could be what Job was on about. They've found evidence
of human habitation at the bottom of the Black sea. But that may have
been brought on by the flooding the covered the area around the Dogger
Bank in the North sea. This area to has evidence of humans inhabiting
what is now the sea floor. I find it all facinating considering there is
evidence of sea level rise and glacier retreat going back at least
10,000 years and several ports that were carved out by the Romans 2000+
years ago are now underwater.
The problem with current climate change beliefs is they only have a few
years worth of accurate figures and seem to be ignoring the wealth of
evidence from geological sites around the world.
Pooh
The Atlantic coming through the Pillars of Hercules (Straits of
Gibraltar)
must have been quite a sight too.
But that would be well before any civilized humans were around.
The Aral Sea is now apparently dry. I wonder what legends may be around
about that in a few thousand years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea
"The shrinking of the Aral Sea has been called "one of the planet's
worst environmental disasters".[9][10] The region's once-prosperous
fishing industry has been essentially destroyed, bringing unemployment
and economic hardship. The Aral Sea region is also heavily polluted,
with consequential serious public health problems."
Hopefully the legends will tell of the near disaster caused by an
unthinking government whose irrigation projects caused a disaster,
which was recovered by a lot of hard work onmoney - ilustrating why it
is important to look after our rivers!
(New Zealand is heading for a disaster of its own with our government encouraging disastrous irrigation plans that are already wrecking many
of our rivers.)
Let us hope that our government has more sense than Russia's Communist government.
The Caspian is bigger than the Aral Sea.. Let's hope that is allowed to survive.
And New Zealand probably has more rainfall than lands around the Aral Sea.
The Channel is quite recent too. Just as well it's there. Saved us from
invasion by France, Spain or Germany.
That's about 500,000 amd 250,000 years ago in two masssive floods due
to ice-dams breaking. Probably not influenced by man.
(rest snipped for length)
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached. Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. All explained.
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached. Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. All explained.
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and,
lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the
waters were abated from off the earth.
Geopelia
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson. >>>> Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how >>>> it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate >>>> change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if >>>> it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached. >>> Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. All >>> explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This shows >> very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious belief. >> At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll
find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence
showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit this >Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the cock >> bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour and
returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they come
from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, >> in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters
were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:08:31 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony
Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate
change and how it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit >>>>> hard for the farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But
certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those who >>>>> think rather than respond to the current crap issuing from many on the >>>>> left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as >>>>> if it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was >>>> isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all.
All explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This
shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious >>> belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and >>> they'll find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence >>showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit
this Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the
cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour
and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they
come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and,
lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the
waters were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
Look up "allegory", Allistar.
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:08:31 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote: >>>>>> "Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony
Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate >>>>>> change and how it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit >>>>>> hard for the farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But
certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those who >>>>>> think rather than respond to the current crap issuing from many on the >>>>>> left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as >>>>>> if it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was >>>>> isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. >>>>> All explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This
shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious >>>> belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and >>>> they'll find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence >>>showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when >>>> heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by >>>> heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit >>>this Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the
cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour
and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they
come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's >>>> bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, >>>> lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the
waters were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
Look up "allegory", Allistar.
Many people don't treat it as allegory, they think it's a factual record of >history.
All the flood myth does it show what an absolute cunt this god character is. >Some people think it deserves to be loved and revered. How bizarre! And >mostly because people are not grown up enough to accept the reality and >inevitability of death.
"Allistar" wrote in message news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if >>> it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious belief.
At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll
find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo,
in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters
were abated from off the earth.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:05:39 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:08:31 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote: >>>>>>> "Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony
Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate >>>>>>> change and how it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit >>>>>>> hard for the farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But
certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those >>>>>>> who think rather than respond to the current crap issuing from many >>>>>>> on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, >>>>>>> as if it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med >>>>>> was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. >>>>>> All explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people >>>>> think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This >>>>> shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in
religious belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you >>>>> tell them and they'll find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence >>>>showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when >>>>> heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by >>>>> heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit >>>>this Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the >>>>> cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour >>>>> and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they >>>>> come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch.
Noah's bird would have been one of the original species. Collared
dove? Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, >>>>> lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the >>>>> waters were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
Look up "allegory", Allistar.
Many people don't treat it as allegory, they think it's a factual record
of history.
All the flood myth does it show what an absolute cunt this god character >>is. Some people think it deserves to be loved and revered. How bizarre!
And mostly because people are not grown up enough to accept the reality
and inevitability of death.
Would you ban fiction because some believe the stories are true?
I would rather have children taught universal princples such as
fairness, tolerance, empathy, caring, and the value of simple
politeness than live in your judgemental, authoritarian and uncaring
world, Allistar.
"Allistar" wrote in message news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if >>> it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious belief.
At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll
find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo,
in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters
were abated from off the earth.
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and,
lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the
waters were abated from off the earth.
Geopelia
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:05:39 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:08:31 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote: >>>>>>> "Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony
Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate >>>>>>> change and how it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit >>>>>>> hard for the farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But
certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those >>>>>>> who think rather than respond to the current crap issuing from many >>>>>>> on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, >>>>>>> as if it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med >>>>>> was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. >>>>>> All explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people >>>>> think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This >>>>> shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in
religious belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you >>>>> tell them and they'll find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence >>>>showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when >>>>> heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by >>>>> heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit >>>>this Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the >>>>> cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour >>>>> and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they >>>>> come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch.
Noah's bird would have been one of the original species. Collared
dove? Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, >>>>> lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the >>>>> waters were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
Look up "allegory", Allistar.
Many people don't treat it as allegory, they think it's a factual record
of history.
All the flood myth does it show what an absolute cunt this god character >>is. Some people think it deserves to be loved and revered. How bizarre!
And mostly because people are not grown up enough to accept the reality
and inevitability of death.
Would you ban fiction because some believe the stories are true?
I would rather have children taught universal princples such as
fairness, tolerance, empathy, caring, and the value of simple
politeness than live in your judgemental, authoritarian and uncaring
world, Allistar.
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached.
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it >> had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. Allexplained.
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if >>> it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
"Allistar" wrote in message news:0bednVOtH7JSxzbFnZ2dnUU7-XudnZ2d@giganews.com...
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson. >>>> Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how >>>> it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate >>>> change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth,
as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all.
All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This
shows
very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious
belief.
At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll
find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence
showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit this Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the
cock
bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour and
returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they come
from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and,
lo,
in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters
were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
"Allistar" wrote in message news:0bednVOtH7JSxzbFnZ2dnUU7-XudnZ2d@giganews.com...
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson. >>>> Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how >>>> it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate >>>> change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth,
as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all.
All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This
shows
very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious
belief.
At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll
find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence
showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit
this
Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the
cock
bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour and
returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they come
from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and,
lo,
in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters
were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if >>> it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think
the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll find
it
difficult to dismiss later in life.
"Pooh" wrote in message news:3f2de9bb-3a4c-522e-5a4c-24b5408f986e@hotmail.com...
On 21/02/2017 3:41 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message news:0bednVOtH7JSxzbFnZ2dnUU7-XudnZ2d@giganews.com...
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson. >>>> Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how >>>> it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate >>>> change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth,
as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was >>> isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all.
All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This
shows
very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious
belief.
At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll >> find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit
this
Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the
cock
bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour and >> returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they come >> from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and,
lo,
in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters
were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
I find it interesting that Genesis starts: In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth. Pretty accurate when you read the current scientific description of the big bang. Though personally I'd ditch the reference to God :)
Pooh
Everything must have started somewhere. Even if it all arose from just one atom, that atom must have begun somewhere.
But was some conscious Being involved? That seems to be as good an explanation as anything. Pure energy? Perhaps.
I wonder if anything can ever be proved.
And are we humans the final result, or will some other creature evolve to take over?
"Pooh" wrote in message news:3f2de9bb-3a4c-522e-5a4c-24b5408f986e@hotmail.com...
On 21/02/2017 3:41 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0bednVOtH7JSxzbFnZ2dnUU7-XudnZ2d@giganews.com...
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony
Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate
change and how it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit >>>>> hard for the farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But
certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those who >>>>> think rather than respond to the current crap issuing from many on the >>>>> left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth,
as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was >>>> isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all.
All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This
shows
very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious
belief.
At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and they'll >>> find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence
showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit
this
Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the
cock
bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour
and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they
come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and,
lo,
in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters
were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
I find it interesting that Genesis starts: In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth. Pretty accurate when you read the current scientific description of the big bang. Though personally I'd ditch the reference to God :)
Pooh
Everything must have started somewhere. Even if it all arose from just one atom, that atom must have begun somewhere.
But was some conscious Being involved? That seems to be as good an explanation as anything.
Pure energy? Perhaps.--
I wonder if anything can ever be proved.
And are we humans the final result, or will some other creature evolve to take over?
"Allistar" wrote in message news:WqSdnSYlQujR8jbFnZ2dnUU7-TnNnZ2d@giganews.com...
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:05:39 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:08:31 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
news:0JCdnfEPuryoFzfFnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote: >>>>>>>> "Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony
Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate >>>>>>>> change and how it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a >>>>>>>> bit hard for the farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But >>>>>>>> certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those >>>>>>>> who think rather than respond to the current crap issuing from many >>>>>>>> on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, >>>>>>>> as if it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med >>>>>>> was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. >>>>>>> All explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people >>>>>> think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This >>>>>> shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in
religious belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you >>>>>> tell them and they'll find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence >>>>>showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV,
when heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused >>>>>> by heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit >>>>>this Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the >>>>>> cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour >>>>>> and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be >>>>>> available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they >>>>>> come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch.
Noah's bird would have been one of the original species. Collared
dove? Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening;
and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that >>>>>> the waters were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
Look up "allegory", Allistar.
Many people don't treat it as allegory, they think it's a factual record >>>of history.
All the flood myth does it show what an absolute cunt this god character >>>is. Some people think it deserves to be loved and revered. How bizarre! >>>And mostly because people are not grown up enough to accept the reality >>>and inevitability of death.
Would you ban fiction because some believe the stories are true?
No, what a bizarre question.
I would rather have children taught universal princples such as
fairness, tolerance, empathy, caring, and the value of simple
politeness than live in your judgemental, authoritarian and uncaring
world, Allistar.
I'll ignore the ad-hominem attack. You can do better than that Rich.
Teaching virtues and morality doesn't require teaching superstitious nonsense. No god is required to teach people to treat others well. (Especially a god that's capricious, cruel, violent and jealous. And fictitious).
If the Bible is to be used as a source of morality because it's supposed
to represent truth then what of the many(!!) immoral teachings and ideas? Slavery. Stoning. Genocide. The subjugation of women. Forcing someone to marry their rapist. I bet Sunday schools don't mention those things. Of course, it's all untrue. But it's sadly amusing how people treat it like a smorgasbord, taking the bits they like and ignoring the bits they don't.
It's as if they have an innate sense of morality that differs from the cruelty found in the Bible. Wake up people!
...........
Oh dear, I seem to have stirred up a hornets' nest.
I was merely commenting that the alleged behaviour of a dove was what a
real dove would have done.
Anyone here keeping free flight doves? Have you observed their behaviour after rain?
(And would you call a dove in a flock a "bird of peace"?)
There have been many floods throughout history, and with climate change
there are likely to be many more.
It seems there is a layer of clay around those parts that must have been deposited by a large flood.
We now take all creation stories as myths, knowing so much about the evolution of life on this planet, including the various human species.
If we are to learn morality from the Bible surely we would prefer the teachings of Jesus to the much earlier ideas of Moses.
(St Paul? I wonder)--
My generation (born 1920s) were brought up on the King James Bible. If anything seems relevant I mention it.
That doesn't mean I believe it literally.
We grew up with Homer's works too, but don't take our morals from those either.
And most of us knew the death of Socrates in the Jowett translation. Is
that ever taught in schools these days?
It should be.
Why would we want to learn morality from the Bible? The central message of Christianity is deeply immoral.I notice that she's managed to ignore the Epic of Gilgamesh that is one
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Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:05:39 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:08:31 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
geopelia wrote:
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Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote: >>>>>>>> "Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony
Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate >>>>>>>> change and how it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a >>>>>>>> bit hard for the farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But >>>>>>>> certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those >>>>>>>> who think rather than respond to the current crap issuing from many >>>>>>>> on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, >>>>>>>> as if it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med >>>>>>> was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. >>>>>>> All explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people >>>>>> think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This >>>>>> shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in
religious belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you >>>>>> tell them and they'll find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence >>>>>showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV,
when heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused >>>>>> by heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit >>>>>this Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the >>>>>> cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour >>>>>> and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be >>>>>> available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they >>>>>> come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch.
Noah's bird would have been one of the original species. Collared
dove? Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening;
and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that >>>>>> the waters were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
Look up "allegory", Allistar.
Many people don't treat it as allegory, they think it's a factual record >>>of history.
All the flood myth does it show what an absolute cunt this god character >>>is. Some people think it deserves to be loved and revered. How bizarre! >>>And mostly because people are not grown up enough to accept the reality >>>and inevitability of death.
Would you ban fiction because some believe the stories are true?
No, what a bizarre question.
I would rather have children taught universal princples such as
fairness, tolerance, empathy, caring, and the value of simple
politeness than live in your judgemental, authoritarian and uncaring
world, Allistar.
I'll ignore the ad-hominem attack. You can do better than that Rich.
Teaching virtues and morality doesn't require teaching superstitious nonsense. No god is required to teach people to treat others well. (Especially a god that's capricious, cruel, violent and jealous. And fictitious).
If the Bible is to be used as a source of morality because it's supposed
to represent truth then what of the many(!!) immoral teachings and ideas? Slavery. Stoning. Genocide. The subjugation of women. Forcing someone to marry their rapist. I bet Sunday schools don't mention those things. Of course, it's all untrue. But it's sadly amusing how people treat it like a smorgasbord, taking the bits they like and ignoring the bits they don't.
It's as if they have an innate sense of morality that differs from the cruelty found in the Bible. Wake up people!
...........
Oh dear, I seem to have stirred up a hornets' nest.
I was merely commenting that the alleged behaviour of a dove was what a
real dove would have done.
Anyone here keeping free flight doves? Have you observed their behaviour after rain?
(And would you call a dove in a flock a "bird of peace"?)
There have been many floods throughout history, and with climate change
there are likely to be many more.
It seems there is a layer of clay around those parts that must have been deposited by a large flood.
We now take all creation stories as myths, knowing so much about the evolution of life on this planet, including the various human species.
If we are to learn morality from the Bible surely we would prefer the teachings of Jesus to the much earlier ideas of Moses.
(St Paul? I wonder)--
My generation (born 1920s) were brought up on the King James Bible. If anything seems relevant I mention it.
That doesn't mean I believe it literally.
We grew up with Homer's works too, but don't take our morals from those either.
And most of us knew the death of Socrates in the Jowett translation. Is
that ever taught in schools these days?
It should be.
"Pooh" wrote in message news:3f2de9bb-3a4c-522e-5a4c-24b5408f986e@hotmail.com...
On 21/02/2017 3:41 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message news:0bednVOtH7JSxzbFnZ2dnUU7-XudnZ2d@giganews.com...
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
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Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony
Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and
how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put
climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth,
as if
it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was >>> isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was
breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all.
All
explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that people
think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual account. This
shows
very clearly the problem with indoctrinating children in religious
belief.
At a young age they'll believe nearly anything you tell them and
they'll
find it difficult to dismiss later in life.
.......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, when
heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused by
heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit
this
Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably the
cock
bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she".
One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy downpour
and
returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be
available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they
come
from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. Noah's
bird would have been one of the original species. Collared dove?
Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; and,
lo,
in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters
were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
I find it interesting that Genesis starts: In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth. Pretty accurate when you read the current scientific description of the big bang. Though personally I'd ditch the reference to God :)
Pooh
Everything must have started somewhere. Even if it all arose from just one atom, that atom must have begun somewhere.
But was some conscious Being involved? That seems to be as good an explanation as anything. Pure energy? Perhaps.
I wonder if anything can ever be proved.
And are we humans the final result, or will some other creature evolve to take over?
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geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
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Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:05:39 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:08:31 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
geopelia wrote:
"Allistar" wrote in message
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Roger Dewhurst wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony >>>>>>>>> Robinson. Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate >>>>>>>>> change and how it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a >>>>>>>>> bit hard for the farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But >>>>>>>>> certainly put climate change into a clearer perspective for those >>>>>>>>> who think rather than respond to the current crap issuing from >>>>>>>>> many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, >>>>>>>>> as if it had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med >>>>>>>> was
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was >>>>>>>> breached.
Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is >>>>>>>> all. All explained.
There are many localised flood legends. It beggars belief that
people think the flood myth as told in the Bible is a factual
account. This shows very clearly the problem with indoctrinating >>>>>>> children in religious belief. At a young age they'll believe nearly >>>>>>> anything you tell them and they'll find it difficult to dismiss
later in life. .......
Noah's Ark as the Bible tells the story probably isn't factual.
Probably? It's not. There is no evidence for it and a lot of evidence >>>>>>showing that it could not have happened.
Two of
every animal?
But there have been many localised floods recently, shown on TV, >>>>>>> when heavy rain falls for hours, or several days.
How much of Noah's flood is the memory of a real happening, caused >>>>>>> by heavy unexpected rain?
It's a story. A myth to show what a nasty and vindictive piece of shit >>>>>>this Yahweh character is.
And Noah's dove's behaviour is just what a dove will do. Probably >>>>>>> the cock bird, though "Columba" is feminine, translated as "she". >>>>>>> One of my ringnecks surprised me by flying off after a heavy
downpour and returning
with a twig in his beak. Nest material!
Ringneck doves breed when conditions are suitable and food will be >>>>>>> available, which is after rains in the semi desert places where they >>>>>>> come from.
(The ringneck was developed by humans, like the Bengalese finch. >>>>>>> Noah's bird would have been one of the original species. Collared >>>>>>> dove? Not necessarily a white bird.)
Genesis 8 : 11 KJV And the dove came in to him in the evening; >>>>>>> and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew >>>>>>> that the waters were abated from off the earth.
It's all make believe. People that think it's true need to grow up.
Look up "allegory", Allistar.
Many people don't treat it as allegory, they think it's a factual record >>>>of history.
All the flood myth does it show what an absolute cunt this god character >>>>is. Some people think it deserves to be loved and revered. How bizarre! >>>>And mostly because people are not grown up enough to accept the reality >>>>and inevitability of death.
Would you ban fiction because some believe the stories are true?
No, what a bizarre question.
I would rather have children taught universal princples such as
fairness, tolerance, empathy, caring, and the value of simple
politeness than live in your judgemental, authoritarian and uncaring
world, Allistar.
I'll ignore the ad-hominem attack. You can do better than that Rich.
Teaching virtues and morality doesn't require teaching superstitious
nonsense. No god is required to teach people to treat others well.
(Especially a god that's capricious, cruel, violent and jealous. And
fictitious).
If the Bible is to be used as a source of morality because it's supposed
to represent truth then what of the many(!!) immoral teachings and ideas?
Slavery. Stoning. Genocide. The subjugation of women. Forcing someone to
marry their rapist. I bet Sunday schools don't mention those things. Of
course, it's all untrue. But it's sadly amusing how people treat it like
a smorgasbord, taking the bits they like and ignoring the bits they
don't. It's as if they have an innate sense of morality that differs from
the cruelty found in the Bible. Wake up people!
...........
Oh dear, I seem to have stirred up a hornets' nest.
The hornet's nest has been stirring since humanity invented the nonsense
of gods.
I was merely commenting that the alleged behaviour of a dove was what a
real dove would have done.
Anyone here keeping free flight doves? Have you observed their behaviour
after rain?
(And would you call a dove in a flock a "bird of peace"?)
There have been many floods throughout history, and with climate change
there are likely to be many more.
It seems there is a layer of clay around those parts that must have been
deposited by a large flood.
We now take all creation stories as myths, knowing so much about the
evolution of life on this planet, including the various human species.
If only people would take the rest of the various holy books as myth.
If we are to learn morality from the Bible surely we would prefer the
teachings of Jesus to the much earlier ideas of Moses.
Why would we want to learn morality from the Bible? The central message of Christianity is deeply immoral.
.............
What is immoral about it? What do you think the central message is?
"Love God and love thy neighbour" just about sums it up, from the Gospels. Writers of the Epistles have interpreted an early religion as they saw it.
The early Old Testament books come from a thousand years or more before.
Of course moral ideas have changed in that time.
Whether or not we believe Jesus was literally the Son of God doesn't
affect what he taught.
Churches have built a religion in various versions around him.
We are free to choose whichever we like, or none.
Do we believe literally in the Trinity today?
If we stopped a hundred people in the street now and asked "Is the Son of
one substance with the Father"
how many would have a clue what we were talking about?
On 20/02/2017 6:43 p.m., Roger Dewhurst wrote:it
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:04:29 PM UTC+13, geopelia wrote:
"Pooh" wrote in message news:o79ftj$njm$1@dont-email.me...
Just watched the second program of the series. Hosted by Tony Robinson.
Interesting that tonight they were talking about climate change and how
it forced mankind to make changes to adapt. Was a bit hard for the
farmers farming where the Black sea now lies. But certainly put climate
change into a clearer perspective for those who think rather than
respond to the current crap issuing from many on the left.
Pooh
Haven't seen that program, was it on Sky?
But here's an interesting thought.
Job 38 :8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if
isolated. Sea level rose and the Gibralta-North Africa gap was breached.had issued out of the womb?"
Could that be the filling of the Black Sea?
16000 years ago the sea level was about 100 metres lower. The Med was
explained.Massive floods and the basis of the Great Flood legend. That is all. All
Sorry Roger. It seems to have happened 5.33 million years ago. https://phys.org/news/2009-12-mediterranean-sea-years.html
Pooh
Why would we want to learn morality from the Bible? The central message of Christianity is deeply immoral.I notice that she's managed to ignore the Epic of Gilgamesh that is one
"george152" wrote in message news:EMCdnSVRqaWnoDPFnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@giganews.com...
On 2/23/2017 12:54 PM, Allistar wrote:
Why would we want to learn morality from the Bible? The centralI notice that she's managed to ignore the Epic of Gilgamesh that is one
message of
Christianity is deeply immoral.
of the foundation stones of her bible fables.
.......
Not my Bible fables. I'm just commenting.
I'm interested in how much of Genesis and Exodus might have a historical foundation. Egypt was a thriving civilization around that time.
Destruction of Sodom? Volcanic eruption?
Crossing of the Red Sea? large tsunami?
Plagues of Egypt, darkness, thunder and hail? Thera eruption? (Do the tourists visiting Santorini know about that?)
I'll look up Gilgamesh. Thank you. I've heard of him of course.
Do we take Homer seriously today? Not the Odyssey, but the account of
the battles in the Iliad?
I wonder how many people going to Gallipoli for the commemoration pause
to think of that other battle just across the straits.
Which battle will still be remembered a thousand years from now?
As for morality, we can learn some sort of morality from just about any story.
But as morality depends on one's own particular culture, it's safest to believe as one's neighbours do.
We are three generations past World War Two. I wonder what morality
would be like now if Hitler had won.
On 3/03/2017 4:13 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"george152" wrote in message
news:EMCdnSVRqaWnoDPFnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@giganews.com...
On 2/23/2017 12:54 PM, Allistar wrote:
Why would we want to learn morality from the Bible? The centralI notice that she's managed to ignore the Epic of Gilgamesh that is one
message of
Christianity is deeply immoral.
of the foundation stones of her bible fables.
.......
Not my Bible fables. I'm just commenting.
I'm interested in how much of Genesis and Exodus might have a historical
foundation. Egypt was a thriving civilization around that time.
Destruction of Sodom? Volcanic eruption?
Crossing of the Red Sea? large tsunami?
Plagues of Egypt, darkness, thunder and hail? Thera eruption? (Do the
tourists visiting Santorini know about that?)
I'll look up Gilgamesh. Thank you. I've heard of him of course.
Do we take Homer seriously today? Not the Odyssey, but the account of
the battles in the Iliad?
I wonder how many people going to Gallipoli for the commemoration pause
to think of that other battle just across the straits.
Which battle will still be remembered a thousand years from now?
As for morality, we can learn some sort of morality from just about any
story.
But as morality depends on one's own particular culture, it's safest to
believe as one's neighbours do.
We are three generations past World War Two. I wonder what morality
would be like now if Hitler had won.
Many of the stories in the old Testament are accounts of actual events
and modern excavations have backed them up.
The downside is they also--
tend to be slanted as so many of today's news stories are :)
Pooh
Pooh wrote:ALL so called religious writing's are dangerous Allistar and should be approached with the same caution as you would approach a cobra :)
On 3/03/2017 4:13 p.m., geopelia wrote:
"george152" wrote in message
news:EMCdnSVRqaWnoDPFnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@giganews.com...
On 2/23/2017 12:54 PM, Allistar wrote:
Why would we want to learn morality from the Bible? The centralI notice that she's managed to ignore the Epic of Gilgamesh that is one
message of
Christianity is deeply immoral.
of the foundation stones of her bible fables.
.......
Not my Bible fables. I'm just commenting.
I'm interested in how much of Genesis and Exodus might have a historical >>> foundation. Egypt was a thriving civilization around that time.
Destruction of Sodom? Volcanic eruption?
Crossing of the Red Sea? large tsunami?
Plagues of Egypt, darkness, thunder and hail? Thera eruption? (Do the
tourists visiting Santorini know about that?)
I'll look up Gilgamesh. Thank you. I've heard of him of course.
Do we take Homer seriously today? Not the Odyssey, but the account of
the battles in the Iliad?
I wonder how many people going to Gallipoli for the commemoration pause
to think of that other battle just across the straits.
Which battle will still be remembered a thousand years from now?
As for morality, we can learn some sort of morality from just about any
story.
But as morality depends on one's own particular culture, it's safest to
believe as one's neighbours do.
We are three generations past World War Two. I wonder what morality
would be like now if Hitler had won.
Many of the stories in the old Testament are accounts of actual events
and modern excavations have backed them up.
Sure. That in no way lends weight to the rest of those fables. The Bible is the most dangerous book ever written. The sooner it's treated like other fiction the better.
The downside is they also
tend to be slanted as so many of today's news stories are :)
Pooh
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