On 2017-01-09, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/10/2017 9:02 AM, Sam wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:08:48 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/9/2017 4:37 PM, Sam wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/88221418/donald-trump-does-uturn-on-russian-hacking-advice-may-take-action--chief-of-staff
Why did he deny the obvious when some of the smartest people in the US >>>> told him what was happening.
I still think he is out of control. Not fit to be a President of
anything bigger than a bordello.

Are they the same smart people who didn't think Trump had a chance at
the presidency ?????
It's happened build a bridge

I don't see the point of what you are saying. He is ignoring experts
and he has done that before and had to change things that he said he
would do.

Those 'experts' are the problem in the US.
That's why he's rebuilding the White House staff so the old is cleaned
out and with control of the Senate and the House I expect the next 100
days to be not quite radical but shall we say interesting..
Remember Trump wasn't supposed to get the Republican nomination and as
for President no way.
You had all those actors telling us that.
Fortunately the US is a democracy.
As I wrote build a bridge

I find all this anti Trump talk rather interesting and a reflection upon the faith faith in the US of A's electorial system. It was followed, no one has called foul on it going through the due process and yet they get all upset
that they have been trumped.

Sorry people, but Donald J Trump is only a few days from becomming your President. Accept the fact, and give him a fair go.

Time will be the judge.

Now what will happen to the Whithouse Twitter account?

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On 2017-01-09, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:19:55 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Remember Trump wasn't supposed to get the Republican nomination and as
for President no way.

Well, some would have said so. However he did.


[snip]

election, but the USA is more a confederation of states than a true
democracy -

What the heck is a true democracy, as in what is untrue one?

In the US of A all adults get a vote to elect the President. You can say
that in ones view method of electing the President is flawed, but that is a debate for the people of the US of A to work though should they wish to do
so.

You had all those actors telling us that.
Fortunately the US is a democracy.

See above - New Zealand is much closer to any democratic ideal with
our MMP system, although the minimum 5% for a party vote is a flaw . .
.

What bus the heck out of me is that I can not vote for or against anyone in
the Cabinet (well ones which probably will be).

I would argue that electorites are the flaw. They act in much the same way
as a state. However an MP can not represent all of the countries people. Too many people.

Remember also that Australia has a two House system. And the Governer
General needed to bang a few heads together.

As I wrote build a bridge

The Republicans hold a majrity in both the house and Senate - it is up
to the President to build bridges with them to get legislation he
wants through. I suspect that they will publicly support the
President, but that he will find that some legislation has details
that may not be in total accordance with his wishes . . . - an early
test will be what replaces the medical insurance system known as
Romneycare or Obamacare . . . For example under their previous system
is you had cancer a person that had insurance would be covered for
treatment for that illness, but if you were deemed to have recovered insurance would be cancelled, and you would be uninsured for any
further illness . . .

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On 10 Jan 2017 04:31:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2017-01-09, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/10/2017 9:02 AM, Sam wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:08:48 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/9/2017 4:37 PM, Sam wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/88221418/donald-trump-does-uturn-on-russian-hacking-advice-may-take-action--chief-of-staff
Why did he deny the obvious when some of the smartest people in the US >>>>> told him what was happening.
I still think he is out of control. Not fit to be a President of
anything bigger than a bordello.

Are they the same smart people who didn't think Trump had a chance at
the presidency ?????
It's happened build a bridge

I don't see the point of what you are saying. He is ignoring experts
and he has done that before and had to change things that he said he
would do.

Those 'experts' are the problem in the US.
That's why he's rebuilding the White House staff so the old is cleaned
out and with control of the Senate and the House I expect the next 100
days to be not quite radical but shall we say interesting..
Remember Trump wasn't supposed to get the Republican nomination and as
for President no way.
You had all those actors telling us that.
Fortunately the US is a democracy.
As I wrote build a bridge

I find all this anti Trump talk rather interesting and a reflection upon the >faith faith in the US of A's electorial system. It was followed, no one has >called foul on it going through the due process and yet they get all upset >that they have been trumped.

Why should I have faith in the US of A's electoral system?

Sorry people, but Donald J Trump is only a few days from becomming your >President. Accept the fact, and give him a fair go.

He is not becoming my President - and since this is nz.general I
suspect he is not becoming the President of most postrs to this group!

Time will be the judge.

Of what?

Now what will happen to the Whithouse Twitter account?

Does Mr or Miss Whithouse have some problems with his or her twitter
account?

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On 2017-01-09, Sam <open-minded@fairness.here> wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/88221418/donald-trump-does-uturn-on-russian-hacking-advice-may-take-action--chief-of-staff
Why did he deny the obvious when some of the smartest people in the US
told him what was happening.
I still think he is out of control. Not fit to be a President of
anything bigger than a bordello.

Good to see that Donald is doing as many in power before him have done, U-turned on a topic.

Donald to date has been a great deal more in your face than the existing
group. Or recent past.

It is nopt what Donald says so much as what he does. Like the 44 presidents before him.

President Trump will rattle many a cage, but then when things are broken
fixing them requires action.

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On 10 Jan 2017 04:45:40 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2017-01-09, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:19:55 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Remember Trump wasn't supposed to get the Republican nomination and as >>>for President no way.

Well, some would have said so. However he did.

[snip]

election, but the USA is more a confederation of states than a true
democracy -

What the heck is a true democracy, as in what is untrue one?

There are many ideals of democracy, but the USA has a state system in
which the election of members of the Senate and Congress may differe
between states, be subject to gerrymanders electorates to a greater or
lesser extent, and in which votes in some parts of the State or
between States may have greater weight in decisions by those bodies.
Your call, but in my view New Zealand has a system closer to my ideal.

In the US of A all adults get a vote to elect the President.

No none of them do - they vote for members of the electoral college,
most of whome are directed to vote a certain way. Again electoral
college votes hold greater weight for some states than those of others
on a per head of population basis. If each Republican or Democrat
electoral college vote were to be counted as a vote for Trump or
Clinton, then Clinton would have received more votes than Trump.

You can say
that in ones view method of electing the President is flawed, but that is a >debate for the people of the US of A to work though should they wish to do >so.

I do, and it is.

You had all those actors telling us that.
Fortunately the US is a democracy.

See above - New Zealand is much closer to any democratic ideal with
our MMP system, although the minimum 5% for a party vote is a flaw . .
.

What bus the heck out of me is that I can not vote for or against anyone in >the Cabinet (well ones which probably will be).

Surely you do not expect to be able to elect cabinet ministers in the
USA!

Why would you want to cripple a government by not allowing changes to
ministers during a term. Prior to an election no party can be sure who
will be in government (including support parties), and they may well
wish to change cabinet positions either at the start of their term or
durng the term. We have a representative democracy - getting voters to determine largely operational issues such as members of cabinet would
not change the need to parliamentary votes to pass new legislation.

I would argue that electorites are the flaw. They act in much the same way
as a state. However an MP can not represent all of the countries people. Too >many people.

Remember also that Australia has a two House system. And the Governer
General needed to bang a few heads together.

As I wrote build a bridge

The Republicans hold a majrity in both the house and Senate - it is up
to the President to build bridges with them to get legislation he
wants through. I suspect that they will publicly support the
President, but that he will find that some legislation has details
that may not be in total accordance with his wishes . . . - an early
test will be what replaces the medical insurance system known as
Romneycare or Obamacare . . . For example under their previous system
is you had cancer a person that had insurance would be covered for
treatment for that illness, but if you were deemed to have recovered
insurance would be cancelled, and you would be uninsured for any
further illness . . .

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On 1/10/2017 5:31 PM, Gordon wrote:

I find all this anti Trump talk rather interesting and a reflection upon the faith faith in the US of A's electorial system. It was followed, no one has called foul on it going through the due process and yet they get all upset that they have been trumped.

Sorry people, but Donald J Trump is only a few days from becomming your President. Accept the fact, and give him a fair go.

Time will be the judge.

Now what will happen to the Whithouse Twitter account?

I'd say that Twitter will be his only unbiased contact with the American people.
The MSM is so biased against him that they've made themselves redundant

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On 9/01/2017 5:50 p.m., Tony wrote:

george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/9/2017 4:37 PM, Sam wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/88221418/donald-trump-does-uturn-on-russian-hacking-advice-may-take-action--chief-of-staff
Why did he deny the obvious when some of the smartest people in the US
told him what was happening.
I still think he is out of control. Not fit to be a President of
anything bigger than a bordello.

Are they the same smart people who didn't think Trump had a chance at
the presidency ?????
It's happened build a bridge

No they are not the same people as you should very well know!
The security people in any reasonable country never comment on politics, as

you

should very well know!
Tony

I'd just like to know exactly WHO these smartest people in the USA were.

Pooh

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On 10/01/2017 10:06 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:19:55 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/10/2017 9:02 AM, Sam wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:08:48 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/9/2017 4:37 PM, Sam wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/88221418/donald-trump-does-uturn-on-russian-hacking-advice-may-take-action--chief-of-staff
Why did he deny the obvious when some of the smartest people in the US >>>>> told him what was happening.
I still think he is out of control. Not fit to be a President of
anything bigger than a bordello.

Are they the same smart people who didn't think Trump had a chance at
the presidency ?????
It's happened build a bridge

I don't see the point of what you are saying. He is ignoring experts
and he has done that before and had to change things that he said he
would do.

Those 'experts' are the problem in the US.
That's why he's rebuilding the White House staff so the old is cleaned
out and with control of the Senate and the House I expect the next 100
days to be not quite radical but shall we say interesting..

It has certainly been that - for example: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/united-states/news/article.cfm?l_id=110&objectid=11779445

Remember Trump wasn't supposed to get the Republican nomination and as
for President no way.

What are you talking about! Sure there were plenty that didn;t want
him as the Republican nominee, but he got through that parties
selection process without much difficulty - are you suggesting the nominations wasn;t proper? And sure there were a million or so people
more that voted for Clinton than for Trump as President in the
election, but the USA is more a confederation of states than a true
democracy - are you suggeting something improper happened? Get a life,
and build a bridge, george!

This from a loopy lefty quite happy to blindly support a party that
(like Rich) no idea of what democracy is.

You had all those actors telling us that.
Fortunately the US is a democracy.

See above - New Zealand is much closer to any democratic ideal with
our MMP system, although the minimum 5% for a party vote is a flaw . .
.

What do you think the limit should be Rich? 1% to give the loopier left
party's a seat in the house?

As I wrote build a bridge

The Republicans hold a majrity in both the house and Senate - it is up
to the President to build bridges with them to get legislation he
wants through. I suspect that they will publicly support the
President, but that he will find that some legislation has details
that may not be in total accordance with his wishes . . . - an early
test will be what replaces the medical insurance system known as
Romneycare or Obamacare . . . For example under their previous system
is you had cancer a person that had insurance would be covered for
treatment for that illness, but if you were deemed to have recovered insurance would be cancelled, and you would be uninsured for any
further illness . . .

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On 10/01/2017 6:20 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On 10 Jan 2017 04:31:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2017-01-09, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/10/2017 9:02 AM, Sam wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:08:48 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/9/2017 4:37 PM, Sam wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/88221418/donald-trump-does-uturn-on-russian-hacking-advice-may-take-action--chief-of-staff
Why did he deny the obvious when some of the smartest people in the US >>>>>> told him what was happening.
I still think he is out of control. Not fit to be a President of
anything bigger than a bordello.

Are they the same smart people who didn't think Trump had a chance at >>>>> the presidency ?????
It's happened build a bridge

I don't see the point of what you are saying. He is ignoring experts
and he has done that before and had to change things that he said he
would do.

Those 'experts' are the problem in the US.
That's why he's rebuilding the White House staff so the old is cleaned
out and with control of the Senate and the House I expect the next 100
days to be not quite radical but shall we say interesting..
Remember Trump wasn't supposed to get the Republican nomination and as
for President no way.
You had all those actors telling us that.
Fortunately the US is a democracy.
As I wrote build a bridge

I find all this anti Trump talk rather interesting and a reflection upon the >> faith faith in the US of A's electorial system. It was followed, no one has >> called foul on it going through the due process and yet they get all upset >> that they have been trumped.

Why should I have faith in the US of A's electoral system?

simply because it's a much better balanced system than your glorious
Labour party's system for electing leaders Rich.

Sorry people, but Donald J Trump is only a few days from becomming your
President. Accept the fact, and give him a fair go.

He is not becoming my President - and since this is nz.general I
suspect he is not becoming the President of most postrs to this group!

Well done Rich. You spotted the obvious:)

Time will be the judge.

Of what?

Now what will happen to the Whithouse Twitter account?

Does Mr or Miss Whithouse have some problems with his or her twitter
account?

Oh dear. The groups chronic misspeller is playing spelling Nazi. You
Rich are a stupid hypocrite.

Pooh

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