In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway improvementsbecause he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-callidiotic pronouncement.
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made this
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like MaterialTurei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway improvementsbecause he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-callidiotic pronouncement.
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made this
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like MaterialTurei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway improvements because he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made this idiotic pronouncement.
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like Material Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
On 1/9/2017 1:49 PM, JohnO wrote:
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway improvements because he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made this idiotic pronouncement.
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like Material Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
Well speaking of losers I've come across some-one who says that Helun
was the best thing to happen to us and we know what she thought of them
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:49:37 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>because he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
wrote:
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway improvements
this idiotic pronouncement.https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made
Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like Material
So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the
benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held by Greenie dingbats.
With the benefot of time since 2008, we do however know that
generally, vehicle traffic has not increased at the rate projected in
2008
- indeed some of the motorway projects dfeveloped after that time
started with optimistic assumptions about future use (necessary to
attain a projected positive return on investment) that have turned out
to be wrong as well.
Where Russell Norman was correct (at least in the views of many
Aucklanders) is in saying : "We need to rapidly and urgently invest in
decent public transport in our cities, towns and provinces. It is
expensive but no more so than building useless new motorway projects."
We are now seeing significant congestion on Auckland motorways, with transport to and from Auckland Airport being particularly bad in the
eyes of regular users like some journalists - and at the same time
Auckland airport is itself nearing capacity.
Perhaps JohnO you could look for an "expert" who supports the current government in not spending any significant amounts of money on public transport?
On 09/01/2017 01:49 PM, JohnO wrote:
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway
improvements because he believed our petrol price today would be $10
per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman
made this idiotic pronouncement.
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like
Material Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
With any sort of luck it won't happen before Wussel gets his flag back. Anyway it's not 2018 yet. Trump could see the place blown up before then.
On Monday, 9 January 2017 21:09:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:49:37 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway improvements because he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made this idiotic pronouncement.
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like Material Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the
benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held by Greenie dingbats.
There, I corrected it for you.
I doubt anyone else believed in $10/l petrol.
With the benefot of time since 2008, we do however know that
generally, vehicle traffic has not increased at the rate projected in
2008
Bullshit. Traffic is awful and getting noticeably worse as population grows.
- indeed some of the motorway projects dfeveloped after that time
started with optimistic assumptions about future use (necessary to
attain a projected positive return on investment) that have turned out
to be wrong as well.
Where Russell Norman was correct (at least in the views of many
Aucklanders) is in saying : "We need to rapidly and urgently invest in
Stop moving the goal posts you dishonest wanker.
is sinking into the CRL alone. Idiot.decent public transport in our cities, towns and provinces. It is
expensive but no more so than building useless new motorway projects."
We are now seeing significant congestion on Auckland motorways, with
transport to and from Auckland Airport being particularly bad in the
eyes of regular users like some journalists - and at the same time
Auckland airport is itself nearing capacity.
Perhaps JohnO you could look for an "expert" who supports the current
government in not spending any significant amounts of money on public
transport?
The government is "not spending any significant amounts of money on public transport"?
What fucking planet do you live on? Have you no idea how much the government
On Monday, 9 January 2017 21:09:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:49:37 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway improvements because he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made this idiotic pronouncement.
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like Material Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the
benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held by Greenie dingbats.
There, I corrected it for you.
I doubt anyone else believed in $10/l petrol.And yet again you do not even try to address the issue of whether the
results. Apart from Auckland, traffic on many ofhte routes that
With the benefot of time since 2008, we do however know that
generally, vehicle traffic has not increased at the rate projected in
2008
Bullshit. Traffic is awful and getting noticeably worse as population grows. You dissembling idiot - try looking at projections then and actual
- indeed some of the motorway projects dfeveloped after that time
started with optimistic assumptions about future use (necessary to
attain a projected positive return on investment) that have turned out
to be wrong as well.
Where Russell Norman was correct (at least in the views of many
Aucklanders) is in saying : "We need to rapidly and urgently invest in
Stop moving the goal posts you dishonest wanker.
decent public transport in our cities, towns and provinces. It is
expensive but no more so than building useless new motorway projects."
We are now seeing significant congestion on Auckland motorways, with
transport to and from Auckland Airport being particularly bad in the
eyes of regular users like some journalists - and at the same time
Auckland airport is itself nearing capacity.
Perhaps JohnO you could look for an "expert" who supports the current
government in not spending any significant amounts of money on public
transport?
The government is "not spending any significant amounts of money on public >transport"?
What fucking planet do you live on? Have you no idea how much the government is sinking into the CRL alone. Idiot.
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 19:54:05 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>improvements because he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
wrote:
On Monday, 9 January 2017 21:09:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:49:37 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway
this idiotic pronouncement.
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made
Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like Material
So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the
benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held by Greenie dingbats.
There, I corrected it for you.
You dishonest and unethical little shit, JohnO.
For the record, what I said was not what you have dishonestly quoted
above, but:
"So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held."
I doubt anyone else believed in $10/l petrol.And yet again you do not even try to address the issue of whether the
opinion of the CSIRO was worth considering at that time, or offer any evidence of your current view . . .
With the benefot of time since 2008, we do however know that
generally, vehicle traffic has not increased at the rate projected in
2008
Bullshit. Traffic is awful and getting noticeably worse as population grows. You dissembling idiot - try looking at projections then and actualresults. Apart from Auckland, traffic on many ofhte routes that
National spent a lot of money on has been lower than was projected
when the road projects were approved.
is sinking into the CRL alone. Idiot.- indeed some of the motorway projects dfeveloped after that time
started with optimistic assumptions about future use (necessary to
attain a projected positive return on investment) that have turned out
to be wrong as well.
Where Russell Norman was correct (at least in the views of many
Aucklanders) is in saying : "We need to rapidly and urgently invest in
Stop moving the goal posts you dishonest wanker.
decent public transport in our cities, towns and provinces. It is
expensive but no more so than building useless new motorway projects."
We are now seeing significant congestion on Auckland motorways, with
transport to and from Auckland Airport being particularly bad in the
eyes of regular users like some journalists - and at the same time
Auckland airport is itself nearing capacity.
Perhaps JohnO you could look for an "expert" who supports the current
government in not spending any significant amounts of money on public
transport?
The government is "not spending any significant amounts of money on public >transport"?
What fucking planet do you live on? Have you no idea how much the government
In comparison with additional spending on roads, additional spending
on public transport is not significant.
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 19:54:05 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>Building roads is cheaper per KM than building railways, it is less destructive on the geography because railways can't have real gradients and need to be very straight, railways will in the near future be more damaging to the environment because we cannot afford to electrify all of them. Most cars will fairly soon be electric, using electricity derived from sustainable resources (something we are very well endowed with), no doubt large vehicles will eventually follow. Your hypothesis is faulty, we should spend money on the most intelligent options and that is currently roads like the new expressway north of Kapiti, Transmission gully and the Levin extension and the long overdue improvements in Auckland - in due course we will have to drive a wide road through Wellingon to remove the bottleneck there. Public transport is yesterday's "greenie" idiocy and until serious improvements in technology evolve (generations from now) will remain so. And don't forget that in a country that is at risk of earthquake serious damage it is dramatically easier to provide alternative road routes than it is to provide the railway equivalent and railways are more easily damaged than roads and much more expensive and much slower to repair (see Kaikoura and Gisborne for evidence of that).
wrote:
On Monday, 9 January 2017 21:09:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:49:37 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway improvements >>> >because he believed our petrol price today would be $10 per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices-decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman made >>> >this idiotic pronouncement.
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like Material >>> >Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy PM?
So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the
benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held by Greenie dingbats.
There, I corrected it for you.
You dishonest and unethical little shit, JohnO.
For the record, what I said was not what you have dishonestly quoted
above, but:
"So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the >benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held."
I doubt anyone else believed in $10/l petrol.And yet again you do not even try to address the issue of whether the
opinion of the CSIRO was worth considering at that time, or offer any >evidence of your current view . . .
results. Apart from Auckland, traffic on many ofhte routes that
With the benefot of time since 2008, we do however know that
generally, vehicle traffic has not increased at the rate projected in
2008
Bullshit. Traffic is awful and getting noticeably worse as population grows. >You dissembling idiot - try looking at projections then and actual
National spent a lot of money on has been lower than was projected
when the road projects were approved.
- indeed some of the motorway projects dfeveloped after that time
started with optimistic assumptions about future use (necessary to
attain a projected positive return on investment) that have turned out
to be wrong as well.
Where Russell Norman was correct (at least in the views of many
Aucklanders) is in saying : "We need to rapidly and urgently invest in
Stop moving the goal posts you dishonest wanker.
decent public transport in our cities, towns and provinces. It is
expensive but no more so than building useless new motorway projects."
We are now seeing significant congestion on Auckland motorways, with
transport to and from Auckland Airport being particularly bad in the
eyes of regular users like some journalists - and at the same time
Auckland airport is itself nearing capacity.
Perhaps JohnO you could look for an "expert" who supports the current
government in not spending any significant amounts of money on public
transport?
The government is "not spending any significant amounts of money on public >>transport"?
What fucking planet do you live on? Have you no idea how much the government >>is sinking into the CRL alone. Idiot.
In comparison with additional spending on roads, additional spending
on public transport is not significant.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 19:54:05 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>Building roads is cheaper per KM than building railways, it is less destructive on the geography because railways can't have real gradients
wrote:
On Monday, 9 January 2017 21:09:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:49:37 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
In 2008 Russell Norman would have canned the planned motorway
improvements because he believed our petrol price today would be $10
per litre!
https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/10-litre-petrol-prices- decade-wake-call
H/t kiwiblog.
Adjusted for inflation, petrol is now *cheaper* that when Dr Norman
made this idiotic pronouncement.
But what do you expect from a party that would have a clown like
Material Turei as leader and would-be cabinet minister if not deputy
PM?
So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the
benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held by Greenie dingbats.
There, I corrected it for you.
You dishonest and unethical little shit, JohnO.
For the record, what I said was not what you have dishonestly quoted
above, but:
"So you do not trust the CSIRO - perhaps it is easier for you with the >>benefit of hindsight, but I suspect that in 2008 the "expert" view of
the CSIRO was fairly widely held."
I doubt anyone else believed in $10/l petrol.And yet again you do not even try to address the issue of whether the >>opinion of the CSIRO was worth considering at that time, or offer any >>evidence of your current view . . .
You dissembling idiot - try looking at projections then and actual
With the benefot of time since 2008, we do however know that
generally, vehicle traffic has not increased at the rate projected in
2008
Bullshit. Traffic is awful and getting noticeably worse as population >>>grows.
results. Apart from Auckland, traffic on many ofhte routes that National >>spent a lot of money on has been lower than was projected when the road >>projects were approved.
- indeed some of the motorway projects dfeveloped after that time
started with optimistic assumptions about future use (necessary to
attain a projected positive return on investment) that have turned
out to be wrong as well.
Where Russell Norman was correct (at least in the views of many
Aucklanders) is in saying : "We need to rapidly and urgently invest
in
Stop moving the goal posts you dishonest wanker.
decent public transport in our cities, towns and provinces. It is
expensive but no more so than building useless new motorway
projects."
We are now seeing significant congestion on Auckland motorways, with
transport to and from Auckland Airport being particularly bad in the
eyes of regular users like some journalists - and at the same time
Auckland airport is itself nearing capacity.
Perhaps JohnO you could look for an "expert" who supports the current
government in not spending any significant amounts of money on public
transport?
The government is "not spending any significant amounts of money on >>>public transport"?
What fucking planet do you live on? Have you no idea how much the >>>government is sinking into the CRL alone. Idiot.
In comparison with additional spending on roads, additional spending on >>public transport is not significant.
and need to be very straight, railways will in the near future be more damaging to the environment because we cannot afford to electrify all of them. Most cars will fairly soon be electric, using electricity derived
from sustainable resources (something we are very well endowed with), no doubt large vehicles will eventually follow. Your hypothesis is faulty,
we should spend money on the most intelligent options and that is
currently roads like the new expressway north of Kapiti, Transmission
gully and the Levin extension and the long overdue improvements in
Auckland - in due course we will have to drive a wide road through
Wellingon to remove the bottleneck there. Public transport is
yesterday's "greenie" idiocy and until serious improvements in
technology evolve (generations from now) will remain so. And don't
forget that in a country that is at risk of earthquake serious damage it
is dramatically easier to provide alternative road routes than it is to provide the railway equivalent and railways are more easily damaged than roads and much more expensive and much slower to repair (see Kaikoura
and Gisborne for evidence of that).
But you don't have the courage to reply!
Tony
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