On 5/02/2016 10:20 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:34:07 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 5/02/2016 6:21 p.m., Tony wrote:

Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:

The veteran centre-left economist and long-time Listener columnist,
Brian
Easton, has come out saying New Zealand should sign the TPP.

http://pundit.co.nz/content/can-we-afford-not-to-adopt-the-tppa

A breath of fresh air, intelligence trumps political dogma.
Tony

They all think that apart from the odd particularly thick MP -
admittedly they've got a few. But really it's just a way to attack
National. Like everything they do, it will backfire.

What are you on about, Fred? I didn't see Brian Eastons article as
trying to attack anyone - or are you trying to claim that Tony was
attacking National?

'They' obviously does not refer to Easton. You have a severe comprehension problem. It refers to the fuckwits who swallow this sort of bullshit from Labour and the increasingly hopeless Andrew Little. Tell us who will be
the leader for the next election. that's far more interesting than wanking
on about Easton.

On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:53:55 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

The veteran centre-left economist and long-time Listener columnist, Brian >>Easton, has come out saying New Zealand should sign the TPP.

http://pundit.co.nz/content/can-we-afford-not-to-adopt-the-tppa

You appear not to have read the article, which finishes:

By now there are so many imponderables that there is insufficient room
in a column to pursue them all in a balanced way. My guess is that,
given the way we are trapped by the wider international issues, the
cautious advice is to proceed on the path of implementing the
legislation for the TPPA, making as much international progress
elsewhere. We can then review whether we really want to go ahead with
the implementation. Legislation can always be reversed, agreements
abrogated, although if the government changes its mind it is better
that some other partner pulls the plug. Much of what is due to happen
will be less ceremonial than this Thursday.

We do not know what progress there has been in even thinking of the
necessary legislation now that the ceremonial of Thurday is behind us
- as Brian Easton says, "We can then review whether we really want to
go ahead with the implementation."

Given that at the time the article was written it was clear that the government was not prepared to listen to concerns from others, and
intended to sign, that seems tome to be making the best of the
situation - it is looking for a way forward that may allow us to avoid
the loss of sovereignty, higher paharmaceutical costs, less effective copyright laws, etc.

Brian Easton does _not_ say that New Zealand should adopt the TPPA,
but it does recognise that this stage was inevitable.

On 5/02/2016 10:20 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:34:07 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 5/02/2016 6:21 p.m., Tony wrote:

Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:

The veteran centre-left economist and long-time Listener columnist, Brian >>>>> Easton, has come out saying New Zealand should sign the TPP.

http://pundit.co.nz/content/can-we-afford-not-to-adopt-the-tppa

A breath of fresh air, intelligence trumps political dogma.
Tony

They all think that apart from the odd particularly thick MP -
admittedly they've got a few. But really it's just a way to attack
National. Like everything they do, it will backfire.

What are you on about, Fred? I didn't see Brian Eastons article as
trying to attack anyone - or are you trying to claim that Tony was
attacking National?

'They' obviously does not refer to Easton. You have a severe
comprehension problem. It refers to the fuckwits who swallow this sort
of bullshit from Labour and the increasingly hopeless Andrew Little.
Tell us who will be the leader for the next election. that's far more >interesting than wanking on about Easton.

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 23:21:45 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:

The veteran centre-left economist and long-time Listener columnist, Brian >>>>Easton, has come out saying New Zealand should sign the TPP.

http://pundit.co.nz/content/can-we-afford-not-to-adopt-the-tppa

A breath of fresh air, intelligence trumps political dogma.
Tony

Indeed Brian Easton is intelligent - he did not advocate long term >>acceptance of the TPPA - but he recognised that the ceremonial signing
was a step that does not necessarily commit us to the agreement long
term - we do now have an opportunity to assess the legislation that
would be necessary, and also assess the impact of the agreement,
possibly leading to withdrawal within the political framework we then
find we are in.

A carefully nuanced contribution, pointing out the complications while >>concentrating on what can be and now needs to be done.

A refreshing change to those that are against the TTP without beginning to >understand it and don't give a damn about the country!
Tony

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 09:02:13 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 5/02/2016 10:20 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:34:07 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 5/02/2016 6:21 p.m., Tony wrote:

Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:

The veteran centre-left economist and long-time Listener columnist, Brian
Easton, has come out saying New Zealand should sign the TPP.

http://pundit.co.nz/content/can-we-afford-not-to-adopt-the-tppa

A breath of fresh air, intelligence trumps political dogma.
Tony

They all think that apart from the odd particularly thick MP -
admittedly they've got a few. But really it's just a way to attack
National. Like everything they do, it will backfire.

What are you on about, Fred? I didn't see Brian Eastons article as
trying to attack anyone - or are you trying to claim that Tony was
attacking National?

'They' obviously does not refer to Easton. You have a severe
comprehension problem. It refers to the fuckwits who swallow this sort
of bullshit from Labour and the increasingly hopeless Andrew Little.
Tell us who will be the leader for the next election. that's far more
interesting than wanking on about Easton.

You (and Liberty) are the ones that are confused, Fred. Quite a few of
those protesting abouthe TPP will not agree with Easton either,
because, like many of those supporting the TPPA they do not want to
think about what is or should come next. Wheoever the leaders of
political parties are next year will need to deal with our new
situation - whether you were for or against the TPPA, the preliminary
steps have now been taken.

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 09:02:13 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 5/02/2016 10:20 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:34:07 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 5/02/2016 6:21 p.m., Tony wrote:

Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:

The veteran centre-left economist and long-time Listener columnist, >>>>>> Brian
Easton, has come out saying New Zealand should sign the TPP.

http://pundit.co.nz/content/can-we-afford-not-to-adopt-the-tppa

A breath of fresh air, intelligence trumps political dogma.
Tony

They all think that apart from the odd particularly thick MP -
admittedly they've got a few. But really it's just a way to attack
National. Like everything they do, it will backfire.

What are you on about, Fred? I didn't see Brian Eastons article as
trying to attack anyone - or are you trying to claim that Tony was
attacking National?

'They' obviously does not refer to Easton. You have a severe
comprehension problem. It refers to the fuckwits who swallow this sort
of bullshit from Labour and the increasingly hopeless Andrew Little.
Tell us who will be the leader for the next election. that's far more >>interesting than wanking on about Easton.

You (and Liberty) are the ones that are confused, Fred. Quite a few of
those protesting abouthe TPP will not agree with Easton either,
because, like many of those supporting the TPPA they do not want to
think about what is or should come next. Wheoever the leaders of
political parties are next year will need to deal with our new
situation - whether you were for or against the TPPA, the preliminary
steps have now been taken.

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:27:43 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 23:21:45 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:

Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:

The veteran centre-left economist and long-time Listener columnist, Brian >>>>>>Easton, has come out saying New Zealand should sign the TPP.

http://pundit.co.nz/content/can-we-afford-not-to-adopt-the-tppa

A breath of fresh air, intelligence trumps political dogma.
Tony

Indeed Brian Easton is intelligent - he did not advocate long term >>>>acceptance of the TPPA - but he recognised that the ceremonial signing >>>>was a step that does not necessarily commit us to the agreement long >>>>term - we do now have an opportunity to assess the legislation that >>>>would be necessary, and also assess the impact of the agreement, >>>>possibly leading to withdrawal within the political framework we then >>>>find we are in.

A carefully nuanced contribution, pointing out the complications while >>>>concentrating on what can be and now needs to be done.

A refreshing change to those that are against the TTP without beginning to >>>understand it and don't give a damn about the country!
Tony

And a refreshing change from those that blindly support it just
because it has the word "Trade"in the title and because John Key says
it is OK.

Liberty was however wrong to take it as support (or otherwise) for the
TPPA by Brian Easton.

Not really, he supports the negotiations. But feel free to play on words. >Helen Clark did however support the NZ TTP membership.
Tony