• Re: LOL at spin in MSM reporting.

    From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:06:16
    On 12/15/2016 11:02 AM, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood". http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else? 3
    of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.

    The Horrid wants me to get their paper free for X number of weeks.
    Why should I add to their dying tree publication circulating lies ?????

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 14:02:58
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood". http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:38:31
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:06:16 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 12/15/2016 11:02 AM, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.

    The Horrid wants me to get their paper free for X number of weeks.
    Why should I add to their dying tree publication circulating lies ?????

    The Dom-post are also making the same offer in their circulation area
    - we discussed it and decided it was not worth the work of pcking it
    up each morning and getting rid of the waste paper.

    The problem however is that falling circulation is leading to
    desperate cost-cutting measures in the media, with a tendency to rely
    on (cheaper) opinion rather than fact, and "reporters" (not many
    qualify as journalists any more) who have their own (and the owners)
    political biasses to push - leading down to the appalling Audrey
    referred to above, who is nevertheless more subtle than the more
    appalling Paul Henry and Mike Hosking on TV - thankfully one of those
    is going.

    It suits the government to keep real argument off the front pages, and
    it also suits them to have the lazy mantra of "balance" giving equal
    time and credibility to charlatans and con-merchants as to genuine
    experts and professionals

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 15:26:42
    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 11:38:39 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:06:16 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 12/15/2016 11:02 AM, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else?
    3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.

    The Horrid wants me to get their paper free for X number of weeks.
    Why should I add to their dying tree publication circulating lies ?????

    The Dom-post are also making the same offer in their circulation area
    - we discussed it and decided it was not worth the work of pcking it
    up each morning and getting rid of the waste paper.

    The problem however is that falling circulation is leading to
    desperate cost-cutting measures in the media, with a tendency to rely
    on (cheaper) opinion rather than fact, and "reporters" (not many
    qualify as journalists any more) who have their own (and the owners) political biasses to push - leading down to the appalling Audrey

    Wow, Dickot is making sense today - clearly one of the substitutes is operating
    the account.

    referred to above, who is nevertheless more subtle than the more
    appalling Paul Henry and Mike Hosking on TV - thankfully one of those
    is going.

    Neither Hosking nor Henry claim to be journalists or reporters.,


    It suits the government to keep real argument off the front pages, and
    it also suits them to have the lazy mantra of "balance" giving equal
    time and credibility to charlatans and con-merchants as to genuine
    experts and professionals

    That's rather meaningless. Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

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  • From greybeard@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, December 15, 2016 15:14:12
    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood". http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else? 3
    of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building already.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, December 15, 2016 18:08:42
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building already.

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

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  • From BR@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, December 15, 2016 17:24:23
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:38:31 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    The problem however is that falling circulation is leading to
    desperate cost-cutting measures in the media, with a tendency to rely
    on (cheaper) opinion rather than fact, and "reporters" (not many
    qualify as journalists any more) who have their own (and the owners) >political biasses to push - leading down to the appalling Audrey
    referred to above, who is nevertheless more subtle than the more
    appalling Paul Henry and Mike Hosking on TV - thankfully one of those
    is going.

    It's somewhat ironic that you should post the above when so much of
    the stuff you quote here is cut and pasted from those very
    publications.

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to buggeroff@spammer.com on Thursday, December 15, 2016 18:02:41
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 17:24:23 +1300, BR <buggeroff@spammer.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:38:31 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    The problem however is that falling circulation is leading to
    desperate cost-cutting measures in the media, with a tendency to rely
    on (cheaper) opinion rather than fact, and "reporters" (not many
    qualify as journalists any more) who have their own (and the owners) >>political biasses to push - leading down to the appalling Audrey
    referred to above, who is nevertheless more subtle than the more
    appalling Paul Henry and Mike Hosking on TV - thankfully one of those
    is going.

    It's somewhat ironic that you should post the above when so much of
    the stuff you quote here is cut and pasted from those very
    publications.

    Bill.
    Any comments about Audrey Young are usually in reponse to others
    posting her breathless (and often thoughtless) unwarranted praise for
    some failure of government; I cannot recall quoting Henry or Hosking -
    are you projecting your own behaviour?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 22:40:53
    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else?
    3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building already.

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.


    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, December 15, 2016 23:03:57
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. >> >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else?
    3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really? Read this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's
    fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well : http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:09:47
    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. >> >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone
    else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building
    already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one
    of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together and make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well : http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Friday, December 16, 2016 08:21:21
    On 12/16/2016 8:09 AM, JohnO wrote:


    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is having a
    whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start moving rocks.

    That cocky would really have something to moan about if Liebor were
    running the show...
    and just why shouldn't the minister in charge of fixing disasters get
    tetchy with the bystanders when they're proving to be pisswits ?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to george on Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:28:48
    On Friday, 16 December 2016 08:21:27 UTC+13, george wrote:
    On 12/16/2016 8:09 AM, JohnO wrote:


    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is having a
    whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start moving rocks.

    That cocky would really have something to moan about if Liebor were
    running the show...
    and just why shouldn't the minister in charge of fixing disasters get
    tetchy with the bystanders when they're proving to be pisswits ?

    Even so, Brownlie shouldn't have risen to the bait.

    But there are still aftershocks, there's still huge risks with rocks tumbling down hills etc. Sorting it out all is dangerous, expensive work and it needs to
    be done right.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 16, 2016 09:42:53
    On 15/12/2016 5:24 p.m., BR wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:38:31 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    The problem however is that falling circulation is leading to
    desperate cost-cutting measures in the media, with a tendency to rely
    on (cheaper) opinion rather than fact, and "reporters" (not many
    qualify as journalists any more) who have their own (and the owners)
    political biasses to push - leading down to the appalling Audrey
    referred to above, who is nevertheless more subtle than the more
    appalling Paul Henry and Mike Hosking on TV - thankfully one of those
    is going.

    It's somewhat ironic that you should post the above when so much of
    the stuff you quote here is cut and pasted from those very
    publications.

    Bill.


    Exposes Richie's hypocrisy and love of bullshit nicely .

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 16, 2016 09:48:18
    On 15/12/2016 6:08 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else? 3
    of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building already.

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!


    The difference Rich is that McCully is leaving after doing some very
    good work for New Zealand. Whereas the rats abandoning the lefty ship
    haven't achieved squat or even proved themselves worthy of the title opposition!

    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115


    Shearer off to win the war in Somalia. Guess he's a good choice to go
    and do the impossible on behalf of a bunch of losers who're incapable of organising a piss up in a brewery.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 16, 2016 09:53:38
    On 15/12/2016 11:03 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. >>>>> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else?
    3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    Another deliberate "typo" from the ever lying Rich me thinks. Or just a typical inability to follow a thread?


    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really? Read this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842


    I'd rather believe what I observed on TVOne News Rich.

    <further biased and comprehension-less bullshit from Rich snipped>



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well : http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .


    Considering most of what you get comes from thestranded, polity,
    norightturn and Labour I'm not surprised Rich. however, in the real
    world things are more reasonable than most of your posts.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 16, 2016 09:43:55
    On 15/12/2016 6:02 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 17:24:23 +1300, BR <buggeroff@spammer.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:38:31 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    The problem however is that falling circulation is leading to
    desperate cost-cutting measures in the media, with a tendency to rely
    on (cheaper) opinion rather than fact, and "reporters" (not many
    qualify as journalists any more) who have their own (and the owners)
    political biasses to push - leading down to the appalling Audrey
    referred to above, who is nevertheless more subtle than the more
    appalling Paul Henry and Mike Hosking on TV - thankfully one of those
    is going.

    It's somewhat ironic that you should post the above when so much of
    the stuff you quote here is cut and pasted from those very
    publications.

    Bill.
    Any comments about Audrey Young are usually in reponse to others
    posting her breathless (and often thoughtless) unwarranted praise for
    some failure of government; I cannot recall quoting Henry or Hosking -
    are you projecting your own behaviour?


    Yet another comprehension fail from Rich.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Friday, December 16, 2016 09:56:07
    On 16/12/2016 8:28 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Friday, 16 December 2016 08:21:27 UTC+13, george wrote:
    On 12/16/2016 8:09 AM, JohnO wrote:


    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start moving rocks.

    That cocky would really have something to moan about if Liebor were
    running the show...
    and just why shouldn't the minister in charge of fixing disasters get
    tetchy with the bystanders when they're proving to be pisswits ?

    Even so, Brownlie shouldn't have risen to the bait.

    But there are still aftershocks, there's still huge risks with rocks tumbling
    down hills etc. Sorting it out all is dangerous, expensive work and it needs to
    be done right.


    Facts the factless Rich will be failing to comprehend like the comprehensionless lying marxist muppet he is:)

    Pooh

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Pooh on Thursday, December 15, 2016 13:01:46
    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. >> >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone
    else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building
    already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    That was posted by Greybeard, not me, you fucking idiot.

    But it's a common moniker for Goff, and a humorous one at that.


    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one
    of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really? Read this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well : http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 16, 2016 15:45:57
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together and make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's
    fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully: http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)

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  • From HitAnyKey@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 16, 2016 03:04:53
    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:45:57 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard
    <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm? c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm? c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe.
    Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the
    building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he
    is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism.
    That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill- english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is
    having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous
    amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start
    moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch- earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together
    and make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's
    fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a
    send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/ article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?
    c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully: http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)

    Oh, I get it. You want Ministers to interfere in operational matters
    when it suits your agenda (as in Pike River), but you pillory them when
    they press a point that doesn't suit your agenda.

    But I suppose you could argue that, in speaking with forked tongue, at
    least you are consistent. After a fashion.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, December 15, 2016 18:47:34
    On Friday, 16 December 2016 15:45:58 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >> >> wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing*
    apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone
    else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building
    already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a >> >> waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's
    one of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is having a
    whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together and
    make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's
    fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully: http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)

    As I said, off topic, irrelevant and nasty diversion. But I understand - I know
    you can't help yourself.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, December 15, 2016 20:59:16
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>> >> wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing*
    apparently.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone >>> >> >>else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently
    not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building
    already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a >>> >> waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one >>> >of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but >>> >Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is having a >>whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous amount of work has
    to be done before they go blundering in and start moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together and >>make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's
    fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928 >>
    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully: >http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)
    What a horrible piece of pretend journalism, the people that produce this tripe should be on the "dole queue". Come to think of it; they probably are.
    Tony

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to HitAnyKey on Thursday, December 15, 2016 19:54:20
    On Friday, 16 December 2016 16:06:18 UTC+13, HitAnyKey wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:45:57 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard
    <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm? c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm? c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe.
    Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the
    building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he
    is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism.
    That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill- english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is
    having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous
    amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start
    moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch- earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together
    and make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon >>> of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's >>> fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a
    send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/ article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm? c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get >>> a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully: http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)

    Oh, I get it. You want Ministers to interfere in operational matters
    when it suits your agenda (as in Pike River), but you pillory them when
    they press a point that doesn't suit your agenda.

    But I suppose you could argue that, in speaking with forked tongue, at
    least you are consistent. After a fashion.

    Dickbot's doing great work here - reminding everyone how nasty spiteful and vindictive the tiny little left wing echo chamber has become.

    The days of an inclusive, broad church Labour are now gone forever.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to nobody@nowhere.com on Friday, December 16, 2016 16:23:54
    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 03:04:53 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:45:57 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard
    <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm? >c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* >apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm? >c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe.
    Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? >Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the
    building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he
    is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism.
    That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the public >service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill- >english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is
    having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous
    amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start
    moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch- >earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together
    and make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon >>>> of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's >>>> fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a
    send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/ >article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm? >c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get >>>> a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully:
    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)

    Oh, I get it. You want Ministers to interfere in operational matters
    when it suits your agenda (as in Pike River), but you pillory them when
    they press a point that doesn't suit your agenda.

    Which of the articles referenced in that article do you disagree with? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2776 https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2010/06/vindictive.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/murray-mccully-never-learns.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/the-jones-appointment.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/murray-mccullys-taxpayer-funded-pissups.html
    https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/paying-for-mccullys-drinking.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/mccully-lied-to-cabinet.html

    (and of course there were numerous references to other articles in
    most of those)

    But I suppose you could argue that, in speaking with forked tongue, at
    least you are consistent. After a fashion.

    Speaking with a forked tongue? What are you trying to say? McCully's
    actions that have beenhighlighted have been largely indefensible - and
    in any ministry with an ounce of honour he would have been gone for
    any one of them. So much for "higher standards"!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Friday, December 16, 2016 00:26:34
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. >>> >>
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone
    else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently
    not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building
    already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one of >>the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour
    stab them in the back.

    Really? Read this: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's >fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well : >http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .
    I guess we should feel sorry for you because you cannot help but kick people when they cannot defend themselves. But I do not!
    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From HitAnyKey@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 16, 2016 08:15:51
    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:23:54 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 03:04:53 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:45:57 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard >><nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm? >>c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* >>apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm? >>c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. >>Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood
    too?
    Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the
    building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or >>>>> >> removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both,
    with some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was >>>>> >> apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he
    is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism.
    That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the
    public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill- >>english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?
    c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is
    having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous
    amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start
    moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch- >>earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one
    together
    and make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a
    smidgeon of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it
    is the truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before
    Sunday; he's fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a
    send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/ >>article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm? >>c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to
    get a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully:
    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)

    Oh, I get it. You want Ministers to interfere in operational matters
    when it suits your agenda (as in Pike River), but you pillory them when >>they press a point that doesn't suit your agenda.

    Which of the articles referenced in that article do you disagree with? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2776 https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2010/06/vindictive.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/murray-mccully-never-
    learns.html
    https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/the-jones-appointment.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/murray-mccullys-taxpayer-
    funded-pissups.html
    https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/paying-for-mccullys-
    drinking.html
    https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/mccully-lied-to-cabinet.html

    (and of course there were numerous references to other articles in most
    of those)

    But I suppose you could argue that, in speaking with forked tongue, at >>least you are consistent. After a fashion.

    Speaking with a forked tongue? What are you trying to say? McCully's
    actions that have beenhighlighted have been largely indefensible - and
    in any ministry with an ounce of honour he would have been gone for any
    one of them. So much for "higher standards"!

    Thank you for making my point.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, December 17, 2016 02:29:04
    On 16/12/2016 3:45 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing* apparently. >>>>>>> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe. Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too? Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate!

    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or
    removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with
    some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he is a >>>>> waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism. That's one
    of the many differences about National; they defend the public service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842

    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together and make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon
    of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's
    fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a send >>>>> off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11765928 >>
    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get
    a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully: http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)


    Written by another gormless marxist muppet like you Rich. And has about
    the same credibility as you because it tends to be like you and rely on bullshit. They like you lack comprehension of the real world and cower
    in their red tinted nightmare dreaming of a marxist world where everyone
    is well brainwashed in the lefts mindless rhetoric like you Rich.

    Pooh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, December 17, 2016 02:38:55
    On 16/12/2016 4:23 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 03:04:53 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:45:57 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:09:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:04:01 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:40:53 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:14:12 +1300, greybeard
    <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 15/12/16 11:02, JohnO wrote:
    Nats have 4 of 59 MPs (7%) retiring, and it's a "flood".
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?
    c_id=280&objectid=11767118

    Oh and Audrey, dear, 4 of 59 Nat MPs is 7% not 10%.

    Greens have 2 of 14 MPs (14%) retiring and it's a *nothing*
    apparently.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?
    c_id=280&objectid=11767501


    Q: Who is retiring from Labour? Shearer, Cosgrove, Cunliffe.
    Anyone else? 3 of 31 really is about 10% Audrey. Is that not a flood too?
    Apparently not even remarkable enough to report on.


    Leaving out that Goof (another former leader) has left the
    building already.
    Another deliberate "typo" from you JohnO - you must be desperate! >>>>>>>
    And now we hear that McCully has received the message. Renewal or >>>>>>> removal of dead wood? I suspect most see it as a bit of both, with >>>>>>> some Ministers still faking being alive - Gerry Brownlee was
    apparently offended by being told by someone in Kaikoura that he
    is a
    waste of space; I'm sure it is a common view!

    Stop the lies. He was defending the NZTA from unfair criticism.
    That's one of the many differences about National; they defend the public
    service but Labour stab them in the back.

    Really?

    Yes. Really.

    Read this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/87590358/pm-bill-
    english-flies-to-earthquakehit-kaikoura?cid=facebook.post.87590358
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767842 >>>>
    Yes, already read it, this is what we are discussing you fool.

    So an understandably frustrated but altogether ignorant farmer is
    having a whinge that "nothing has happened" when in fact an enormous
    amount of work has to be done before they go blundering in and start
    moving rocks.


    Remind you of something? - if so it is probably this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-
    earthquake-2011/7656654/Brownlee-fed-up-with-moaning-residents

    and I suspect from putting the two together someone has put this
    together

    Well it would be par for the course for you to put one and one together
    and make three, Dickbot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czs3VgKUQAAKQA8.jpg

    (Its too well put together to be Whaleoil; sorry I don't know the
    author, but like all satire it appears to contain more than a smidgeon >>>>> of truth - in fact without having seen a denial perhaps it is the
    truth; Bill will have a few hard decisions to make before Sunday; he's >>>>> fishing in a very shallow pool . . . )



    Interesting responses though - not all will ge as sympathetic a
    send
    off as Shearer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/
    article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11766115

    and regarding Goff (see above), it seems he has started very well :
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?
    c_id=3&objectid=11765928

    Irrelevant diversion.


    I do not expect any of those National people leaving are likely to get >>>>> a positive mention in the press . . .


    Irrelevant (and nasty, spiteful) diversion.

    Just the facts, JOhnO - see for example re McCully:
    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/good-riddance.html

    (Yes it is an opinion piece, but supported by a lot of news articles)

    Oh, I get it. You want Ministers to interfere in operational matters
    when it suits your agenda (as in Pike River), but you pillory them when
    they press a point that doesn't suit your agenda.

    Which of the articles referenced in that article do you disagree with? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2776 https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2010/06/vindictive.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/murray-mccully-never-learns.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/the-jones-appointment.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/murray-mccullys-taxpayer-funded-pissups.html
    https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/paying-for-mccullys-drinking.html https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/mccully-lied-to-cabinet.html

    (and of course there were numerous references to other articles in
    most of those)

    But I suppose you could argue that, in speaking with forked tongue, at
    least you are consistent. After a fashion.

    Speaking with a forked tongue? What are you trying to say? McCully's
    actions that have beenhighlighted have been largely indefensible - and
    in any ministry with an ounce of honour he would have been gone for
    any one of them. So much for "higher standards"!


    One article from the Herald that yo were slamming as blindly supporting
    the government recently and six from the marxist muppets at norightturn!
    Hell Rich norightturn are as twisted as you. They (like you) are dumb
    enough to ignore all of Labours many faults and believe (like you)the
    tripe that comes from the likes of Hager (the marxist activist) and
    Angry Andy (the union goon). Guess it just highlights what a bunch of hypocritical sleazy dirty politics practising twats you and the left are
    Rich!

    Apart from which so typical of you cite crap that happened sixteen
    fucking years ago! Just shows the desperation of you, norightturn and
    the left to score a point and try and distract from chronic stupidity
    and antidemocratic stance!

    Pooh

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