On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 00:19:53 +1300, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>
wrote:

"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.XrPG8$QsHnAgBg@ue.ph...

"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Pooh" wrote in message news:58507789.9050900@hotmail.com...

On 14/12/2016 10:48 a.m., JohnO wrote:

Labour is losing David Shearer, and gaining one Laila Harre. You know who >>>> she is? The political whore who took Kim Dotcom's money and helped him >>>> attempt to pervert a NZ election. The one who jumps around political
parties like a game of hopscotch (through four of them by my count).

Nice catch there Labour. Really showing how 'in touch' you are with Joe >>>> and Jane Voter.

I see it as just another nail in Labours coffin. The poisonous bitch
will no doubt be quite happy digging a deeper hole for Labour in the
name of wee Richie's and Angry Andy's 'progress'!

Good riddance to the useless domineering pricks!

Pooh

We need a good opposition party. That's how democracy works best. Plenty of >>>discussion.

With Labour on its last legs perhaps National will split into two groups >>>later on.
The Greens make some useful points, but would anyone want them as a >>>government?

But don't ask me, two more elections will probably see me out.

Geopelia

We hope it will be much longer than that Geopelia!
Tony

Two more elections will see me at ninety three. But I'll carry on voting as >>long as I'm around.
Anyone who doesn't vote deserves the government they get.
Some Americans who didn't vote must be regretting it now.

The Americans must be realising that they are not as much of a
democracy as they thought - they are effectively a confederation of >individual states, with systems that ensure that votes do not have
equal value for the election of President, Senate and House of >Representatives. Their system effectively disenfranchise those who do
not support either Republican or Democrat; the few independents do not >control any of the three parts of government.

Australia is similarly a confederation of States for their Senate, and
FPP for the house is subject to the problems that system showed in New >Zealand - we are now more democratic, but the change to MMP has meant
that thee have only been brief periods when one party could govern
alone - National has needed partners for nearly all of their period in >government from 2008. Our media doesn't seem to understand that
however.

In Australia, the Liberals have ot governed alone for very many years
- they have a stable partnership with the Country Party. Here National
have a semi-stable relationship with ACT and Peter Dunne - both being
elected with help from National, but their partnership with the Moari
is not as stable, and they cannot rely on that party to continue in >coalition. Labour have had coalition with a number of splinter
parties, but their Memorandum of Understanding with tthe Green Party
has recognised the growth in support for that party - who are no
longer a single issue party, and who have shown the ability to support >policies which have been adopted by National, and who National have
sought accompdations with to try to develop an understanding as a
possible future partner.

At present, Labour and the Greens are a bit like the Liberal/Country >coalition in Australia - a vote for either is a vote for a coalition >government.

Neither National or Labour are likely to be able to govern
without support from one of the Greens or NZ First - or even possibly
both.

Various commentators have speculated that National polling will have
shown them that the next election will be very hard for them to win,
and that this is the reason for John Key resigning. Despite hype and
lies from trolls like Pooh above, National know that they have a
chance but far from a certainty of being in government ater the next
election - they know that they face not only a strong opposition in
Labour and the Green Party,

but that they cannot rely on any of their
current support parties - except possibly ACT for one MP - to be there
for them after that election.

Increasingly National is seen as having governed for the far right,
despite friendly and soothing rhetoric from John Key ,

and problems in
housing, employment, wages, health, education, crime and debt - all
worse than when National came into office -

support for a change in
government is increasing. National may well go to election early in
the hope they can go before it becomes a rout.

"Pooh" wrote in message news:58507789.9050900@hotmail.com...

On 14/12/2016 10:48 a.m., JohnO wrote:

Labour is losing David Shearer, and gaining one Laila Harre. You know
who she is? The political whore who took Kim Dotcom's money and helped
him attempt to pervert a NZ election. The one who jumps around
political parties like a game of hopscotch (through four of them by my
count).

Nice catch there Labour. Really showing how 'in touch' you are with
Joe and Jane Voter.

I see it as just another nail in Labours coffin. The poisonous bitch
will no doubt be quite happy digging a deeper hole for Labour in the
name of wee Richie's and Angry Andy's 'progress'!

Good riddance to the useless domineering pricks!

Pooh

We need a good opposition party. That's how democracy works best. Plenty
of discussion.

With Labour on its last legs perhaps National will split into two groups later on.
The Greens make some useful points, but would anyone want them as a government?

But don't ask me, two more elections will probably see me out.

Geopelia

"Pooh" wrote in message news:58507789.9050900@hotmail.com...

On 14/12/2016 10:48 a.m., JohnO wrote:

Labour is losing David Shearer, and gaining one Laila Harre. You know
who she is? The political whore who took Kim Dotcom's money and helped
him attempt to pervert a NZ election. The one who jumps around
political parties like a game of hopscotch (through four of them by my
count).

Nice catch there Labour. Really showing how 'in touch' you are with
Joe and Jane Voter.

I see it as just another nail in Labours coffin. The poisonous bitch
will no doubt be quite happy digging a deeper hole for Labour in the
name of wee Richie's and Angry Andy's 'progress'!

Good riddance to the useless domineering pricks!

Pooh

We need a good opposition party. That's how democracy works best. Plenty
of discussion.

With Labour on its last legs perhaps National will split into two groups later on.
The Greens make some useful points, but would anyone want them as a government?

But don't ask me, two more elections will probably see me out.

Geopelia

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 00:19:53 +1300, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>
wrote:

"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.XrPG8$QsHnAgBg@ue.ph...

"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Pooh" wrote in message news:58507789.9050900@hotmail.com...

On 14/12/2016 10:48 a.m., JohnO wrote:

Labour is losing David Shearer, and gaining one Laila Harre. You know who >>>> she is? The political whore who took Kim Dotcom's money and helped him >>>> attempt to pervert a NZ election. The one who jumps around political
parties like a game of hopscotch (through four of them by my count).

Nice catch there Labour. Really showing how 'in touch' you are with Joe >>>> and Jane Voter.

I see it as just another nail in Labours coffin. The poisonous bitch
will no doubt be quite happy digging a deeper hole for Labour in the
name of wee Richie's and Angry Andy's 'progress'!

Good riddance to the useless domineering pricks!

Pooh

We need a good opposition party. That's how democracy works best. Plenty of >>> discussion.

With Labour on its last legs perhaps National will split into two groups >>> later on.
The Greens make some useful points, but would anyone want them as a
government?

But don't ask me, two more elections will probably see me out.

Geopelia

We hope it will be much longer than that Geopelia!
Tony

Two more elections will see me at ninety three. But I'll carry on voting as >> long as I'm around.
Anyone who doesn't vote deserves the government they get.
Some Americans who didn't vote must be regretting it now.

The Americans must be realising that they are not as much of a
democracy as they thought - they are effectively a confederation of individual states, with systems that ensure that votes do not have
equal value for the election of President, Senate and House of Representatives. Their system effectively disenfranchise those who do
not support either Republican or Democrat; the few independents do not control any of the three parts of government.

Australia is similarly a confederation of States for their Senate, and
FPP for the house is subject to the problems that system showed in New Zealand - we are now more democratic, but the change to MMP has meant
that thee have only been brief periods when one party could govern
alone - National has needed partners for nearly all of their period in government from 2008. Our media doesn't seem to understand that
however.

In Australia, the Liberals have ot governed alone for very many years
- they have a stable partnership with the Country Party. Here National
have a semi-stable relationship with ACT and Peter Dunne - both being
elected with help from National, but their partnership with the Moari
is not as stable, and they cannot rely on that party to continue in coalition. Labour have had coalition with a number of splinter
parties, but their Memorandum of Understanding with tthe Green Party
has recognised the growth in support for that party - who are no
longer a single issue party, and who have shown the ability to support policies which have been adopted by National, and who National have
sought accompdations with to try to develop an understanding as a
possible future partner.

At present, Labour and the Greens are a bit like the Liberal/Country coalition in Australia - a vote for either is a vote for a coalition government. Neither National or Labour are likely to be able to govern without support from one of the Greens or NZ First - or even possibly
both.

Various commentators have speculated that National polling will have
shown them that the next election will be very hard for them to win,
and that this is the reason for John Key resigning. Despite hype and
lies from trolls like Pooh above, National know that they have a
chance but far from a certainty of being in government ater the next
election - they know that they face not only a strong opposition in
Labour and the Green Party, but that they cannot rely on any of their
current support parties - except possibly ACT for one MP - to be there
for them after that election.

Increasingly National is seen as having governed for the far right,
despite friendly and soothing rhetoric from John Key , and problems in housing, employment, wages, health, education, crime and debt - all
worse than when National came into office - support for a change in government is increasing. National may well go to election early in
the hope they can go before it becomes a rout.