Read and weep Rich : http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert

Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.


Pooh

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On Monday, 12 December 2016 11:37:44 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich : http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert

Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

Pooh

Angry Andy's been rejected twice by the wise voters in New Plymouth. I wouldn't
be surprised if he parachuted himself into the safe Labour Mt Albert seat. Even
Angry Andy couldn't lose that one.

... could he?

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On 12/12/2016 1:45 p.m., JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 12 December 2016 11:37:44 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert

Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.


Pooh

Angry Andy's been rejected twice by the wise voters in New Plymouth. I

wouldn't be surprised if he parachuted himself into the safe Labour Mt Albert seat. Even Angry Andy couldn't lose that one.

... could he?

Going by his performance overall I wouldn't take ANY bets on that!

Pooh

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On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich : http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert

Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

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On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert


Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington
Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different
electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New
Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .
. .

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:12:43 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert


Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington
Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New
Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .
. .

Envy noted.

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On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 10:40:54 UTC+13, HitAnyKey wrote:

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:12:43 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert


Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current >>> clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .
. .

Envy noted.

Not to mention hypocrisy from Dickbot - he's happy for unions to install Angry Andy but upset by National's tidy, efficient, transparent and democratic process.

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert


Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington
Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New
Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

Wing-nuts? Really Rich?

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .

You mean like giving unions preferential votes? Or by selecting people based
on the plumbing between their legs and not their merit?
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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On 13/12/2016 10:12 AM, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert


Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington
Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New
Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .
. .

Why would English stand in an electorate? Or Little for that matter.
It seems ridiculous to me that now we have MMP that a P.M or finance
minister should take on the duties of an electorate MP. They have
enough to do.

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On 13/12/2016 5:07 p.m., Fred wrote:

On 13/12/2016 10:12 AM, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert



Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current >>>> clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington
Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different
electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New
Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .
. .

Why would English stand in an electorate? Or Little for that matter.
It seems ridiculous to me that now we have MMP that a P.M or finance
minister should take on the duties of an electorate MP. They have
enough to do.

What I don't like about that is the people don't get to make the choice.
Sure they've been given safe seats in the past which isn't a lot better.
but all they are in Nationals case is party hacks there at the party's
behest. Whereas in Labour case they're beholden to the unions not the
party. With MMP maybe the list MP for the area can do the electorate
duty's normally expected from the MP who holds the seat.

Pooh

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On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 17:38:55 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:07:39 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 13/12/2016 10:12 AM, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert


Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current >>>> clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington
Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different
electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New
Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .
. .

Why would English stand in an electorate? Or Little for that matter.
It seems ridiculous to me that now we have MMP that a P.M or finance >minister should take on the duties of an electorate MP. They have
enough to do.

Exactly.

Fred's point holds for ministers. They have large and complex government departments to stay on top of.

It doesn't hold for opposition MPs. They might be a spokesperson or shadow minister for some ministry but in reality the job is all talk and no responsibility. They don't have hundreds or thousands of employees effectively under their responsibility.

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:07:39 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 13/12/2016 10:12 AM, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert


Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current >>>> clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington
Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different
electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New
Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .
. .

Why would English stand in an electorate? Or Little for that matter.
It seems ridiculous to me that now we have MMP that a P.M or finance
minister should take on the duties of an electorate MP. They have
enough to do.

Exactly.

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On 13/12/2016 10:12 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:23:38 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 12/12/2016 11:38 AM, Pooh wrote:

Read and weep Rich :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/87452730/andrew-little-would-be-mad-not-to-run-in-mt-albert


Though I wonder if he'd win the seat by as big a margin as the current
clown. I doubt it going by angry Andy's past performance. Of course
there could be a strong union presence that'd help the turkey.

He won't run in Mt. Albert. He'd look ridiculous with a lower margin
than Goff had.

It would be about as sensible as Bill English standing in Wellington
Central - after all he has been a resident there for many years, and
if Richard Prebble of ACT (and before him in the slightly different electorate of Wellington-Karori) Pauline Gardiner of National
(although she saw the light and defected from National to United New
Zealand . . .), could win the seat, why not Bill English? .

Back on topic please Dumbo! we're talking about a useless union stooge
standing in a safe Labour seat. not the PM (who has held a seat for a
very long time.

After all, in the eyes of the wing-nuts only electorate MPs have
"really" been elected . . .

Whereas wing-nuts like you believe that list MP are selected by the
electorate rather than the party! Hell you even believe that because
he's the union choice his utterances are holy writ!

But then democracy is not really meant for senior Nats - not when you
can have a stage-managed annointment process to distract the media .
. .

Stage management is something the wing-nuts you slaver over are famous
for Rich. you know the wing-nuts that spent bloody near a month tiki
touring the country at the taxpayers expense so the unions could tell
them who they wanted leading the undemocratic, rabid rabble that is the
New Zealand Labour party!

Pooh

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