On 2016-12-09, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 9 December 2016 10:31:19 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >>> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

You really are a shallow piece of work. Your petty and undeserved hatred of >>>the
man does not allow you to let him retire without another attempt at >>>nastiness.
I have never met him and so far as I know I have never met you but he is 100
times the excuse for a man that you are!
Tony

The nasty left really are parading their true nature aren't they. All good, it
will just push a few more undecideds towards the right.

Yes they certainly are, John Key will be remembered as a very good organiser

of

his caucus and party and a steady hand, with help, during som serious challenges.

Might also appear on on a Tui billboard.

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On 2016-12-08, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

On the CH3-CH2-OH Rich? Or do we have a Troll?

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On 2016-12-08, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

You really are a shallow piece of work. Your petty and undeserved hatred of

the

man does not allow you to let him retire without another attempt at

nastiness.

I have never met him and so far as I know I have never met you but he is 100 times the excuse for a man that you are!

And yet you, by your own admission say you have not not met him. Oh well,
the world was once considered flat.

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On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:58:26 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 9 December 2016 15:44:45 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:22:00 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 9 December 2016 08:04:36 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:

On Thursday, 8 December 2016 22:39:00 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

Or for an actual mainstream opinion instead of a whack-job's opinion:

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21711222-country-has-been-haven-prosperity-and-stability-under-remarkably-successful-prime

"The country has been a haven of prosperity and stability under a remarkably successful prime minister" - pretty much sums it up.

Key walks out on top, on his own terms, unlike almost every other departing PM who has been carried out as a political corpse. Key won 3 elections on the trot, sent Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe packing. Could have hung around to see Angry Andy

crushed next year but he's got better things to do.

He has many things in his legacy but the one that the likes of Dickbot will never get over is this: they never could put a scratch on him.

And this one shows a couple of people who always were and always will be superior human beings to you, Dickbot:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/87393084/jake-millar-how-john-key-changed-my-life

That is a good story JohnO, and indeed it does indicate that he
learned from his experience with the girl from McGheehan Close where
it all went wrong. While not an achievement for the country as a
whole, it is noteworthy in being the first achievement other than
winning three elections that has been identified in this thread - well
done on not following the troll behaviour of others and giving
something positive instead of just attacking another poster!

You really are a weasily little shit aren't you?

As has been widely discussed - lead country through GFC and earthquakes.

They were in government, but they did not"lead" in anything to the
benefit of the country - we were in a very good financial position at
the 2008 election, which English acknowledged in early 2009. We have
not recovered any more quickly thatn other nations who were in much
less favourable a financial position.

National did essentially nothing except rack up debt, not pay anyting
into supporting NZ Super, allowed tax rules to remain favourable
towards property after it became evident that this was grossly
distrting markets, sold off 49% of many state owned enterprises before
values fully revcovered, l;eading us to now pay much more to overseas
investors than we received; not supported Kiwibank so that overseas
banks made massive profits through lack of effective competition. What
do you think they did that was mertitorious - other than sitting in
the seat of government and benefitting personally at the expense of
the taxpayer.

Christchurch was bungled - inadequate policy setting by government
leading to duplication of work by EQC and insurers (and then by
propoerty owners as well); massive cantract awarded to Fletchers with inadequate controls - poor work has been the result, and timetables
for work completion managed to fit with Fletchers supply chain. They
have effectively admitted that some of their decisions relating to red
zone proporties were unfair - and the problems of vacant land and
uninsured have not been addressed, nor has the problem of the lack of
an effective non-nbank finance industry (again the Aussir banks have
taken huge dividends out of the country . . .

So that one is a fail.

Lead welfare reform including meaningful benefit increases for first time in years. Lead country from Labour's decade of deficits through to surpluses. Welare changes have generally been disastrous for beneficiaries. The

benefit increases earlier this year wet to only a small proportion of beneficiaries, and most did not get $25 per week. The following
article is more typical of the sort of attitude to beneficiaries - and
is one of the reasons that WINZ offices have to have fuyll time
security guards to "help" people! http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87347930/aggressive-prosecution-focus-at-msd-preceded-womans-death-inquest-told

But most of all: Got rid of Labour and kept it out for 3 terms so far! Destroyed the NZ political careers of Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe.

I acknowledged that winning 3 elections is an accomplishment

Even Don Brash complains that the National-led coalition government
since 2008 has not met any of the major promises they made . .

Try again, JohnO - can you think of _any_ major achivements of the
National / John Key led governments other than winning elections?

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On 9/12/2016 5:58 p.m., Gordon wrote:

On 2016-12-09, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 9/12/2016 1:23 p.m., JohnO wrote:

On Friday, 9 December 2016 10:31:19 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >>>> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

You really are a shallow piece of work. Your petty and undeserved hatred of the
man does not allow you to let him retire without another attempt at nastiness.
I have never met him and so far as I know I have never met you but he is 100
times the excuse for a man that you are!
Tony

The nasty left really are parading their true nature aren't they. All good,

it will just push a few more undecideds towards the right.

We should be giving Rich sympathy for his chronic stupidity folk. It
can't be easy for the marxist muppet watching National give Labour a
lesson in strong governance.

Okay, it is the silly season. But without an opposition how the hell can any Government be said to give a lesson in strong governace?

By demonstrating the ineptitude and stupidity of that lack of opposition
by transiting from one leader to another without an non-democratic
circus staffed only by clowns as Labour did before being lumbered by the
unions with the useless Labour goon angry Andy.

Pooh

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On 8/12/2016 10:39 PM, Rich80105 wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

What is the point in posting that when he's now not a threat to you.
It's just feeling your paranoia.
I'm sure you'll be able to direct your waffle at English and Bennett
now, the new winning team, which may derive some satisfaction for you.

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On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:21:09 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 8/12/2016 10:39 PM, Rich80105 wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

What is the point in posting that when he's now not a threat to you.

John Key has never been a threat to me personally. He has
under-performed for New Zealand, and that is a shame, but
understanding the extent and reasons for the failure of the
Key/English government are a good reason to reflect on the need for a
change at the next election. Key's failures are a failure of the whole government.

It's just feeling your paranoia.
I'm sure you'll be able to direct your waffle at English and Bennett
now, the new winning team, which may derive some satisfaction for you.

Lets hope they do win a few things for New Zealand - English has
implied a continuation of previous policies (always unstated of
course, so that they don;t have to be accuntable), but English is
regarded as the architect of many decisions from the past 8 years
which have failed to provide the success which was once reaonable
expected from a Key-led government.

Apart from being re-elected, New Zealand has not only not seen those
major promises met, but has slipped in so many ways - and now we wind
ourselves after 8 years with Key and English at the helm not able to
identify any significant achievements other than scoring the political
game. Can you identify any significant successes, Fred?

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On 10/12/2016 6:00 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:21:09 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 8/12/2016 10:39 PM, Rich80105 wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

What is the point in posting that when he's now not a threat to you.

John Key has never been a threat to me personally. He has
under-performed for New Zealand, and that is a shame, but
understanding the extent and reasons for the failure of the
Key/English government are a good reason to reflect on the need for a
change at the next election. Key's failures are a failure of the whole government.

It's just feeling your paranoia.
I'm sure you'll be able to direct your waffle at English and Bennett
now, the new winning team, which may derive some satisfaction for you.

Lets hope they do win a few things for New Zealand - English has
implied a continuation of previous policies (always unstated of
course, so that they don;t have to be accuntable), but English is
regarded as the architect of many decisions from the past 8 years
which have failed to provide the success which was once reaonable
expected from a Key-led government.

Apart from being re-elected, New Zealand has not only not seen those
major promises met, but has slipped in so many ways - and now we wind ourselves after 8 years with Key and English at the helm not able to
identify any significant achievements other than scoring the political
game. Can you identify any significant successes, Fred?

Where do you get this garbage from Rich? Guess it's because you don't
have to be accuntable for your own actions as so many of the left believe.

Pooh

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On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 18:00:45 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:21:09 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 8/12/2016 10:39 PM, Rich80105 wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

What is the point in posting that when he's now not a threat to you.

John Key has never been a threat to me personally. He has
under-performed for New Zealand, and that is a shame, but
understanding the extent and reasons for the failure of the
Key/English government are a good reason to reflect on the need for a
change at the next election. Key's failures are a failure of the whole >government.

It's just feeling your paranoia.
I'm sure you'll be able to direct your waffle at English and Bennett
now, the new winning team, which may derive some satisfaction for you.

Lets hope they do win a few things for New Zealand - English has
implied a continuation of previous policies (always unstated of
course, so that they don;t have to be accuntable), but English is
regarded as the architect of many decisions from the past 8 years
which have failed to provide the success which was once reaonable
expected from a Key-led government.

Apart from being re-elected, New Zealand has not only not seen those
major promises met, but has slipped in so many ways - and now we wind >ourselves after 8 years with Key and English at the helm not able to
identify any significant achievements other than scoring the political
game. Can you identify any significant successes, Fred?

It looks like the Nat-supporters are running from this one - they
cannot think of any significant achievements by the government since
2008 - except of course getting re-elected - they have played the game
well for their own benefit seems to be the accepted commentary on
those years.

Now we are heading forward with a new / old prime minister, and a new
minister of fincne - who it seems are retaining the old spin - English
says that there are a lot of things to be paid for before tax cuts can
be considered, but Steven Joyce is sounding much more positive - so
whatever happens they can say it has all been signalled well in
advance. On other matters government policy is, as it has been since
November 2008, unclear or non-existent - although they have picked up
a weak version of Labour policies for building a few houses.

National are visibly falling apart.

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On Sunday, 11 December 2016 21:43:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 18:00:45 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:21:09 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 8/12/2016 10:39 PM, Rich80105 wrote:

But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/

What is the point in posting that when he's now not a threat to you.

John Key has never been a threat to me personally. He has
under-performed for New Zealand, and that is a shame, but
understanding the extent and reasons for the failure of the
Key/English government are a good reason to reflect on the need for a >change at the next election. Key's failures are a failure of the whole >government.

It's just feeling your paranoia.
I'm sure you'll be able to direct your waffle at English and Bennett >>now, the new winning team, which may derive some satisfaction for you.

Lets hope they do win a few things for New Zealand - English has
implied a continuation of previous policies (always unstated of
course, so that they don;t have to be accuntable), but English is
regarded as the architect of many decisions from the past 8 years
which have failed to provide the success which was once reaonable
expected from a Key-led government.

Apart from being re-elected, New Zealand has not only not seen those
major promises met, but has slipped in so many ways - and now we wind >ourselves after 8 years with Key and English at the helm not able to >identify any significant achievements other than scoring the political >game. Can you identify any significant successes, Fred?

It looks like the Nat-supporters are running from this one - they

No Dickbot. Unlike you, normal people don't post seven times on a Saturday, replying to their own propaganda. On a weekend, normal people take their kids to sports, play golf, mow lawns, do the Christmas shopping and hang out with friends and family.

This is just a classic example of how Labour, and people like you, Dickbot, are
completely out of touch with normal people and why Labour can't poll a number better than 28% - be it a general election or the mainstream polls.

Labour are a minority group, consisting of minority special interests, being dictated to by unions that are an anachronism of the early 20th century and before.

cannot think of any significant achievements by the government since
2008 - except of course getting re-elected - they have played the game

Don't be stupid Dickbot (unlikely). Several people have already posted other things that you should be grateful for: increased benefits (unlike Labour), steered the country out of the decade of deficits inherited from Labour, out of
the GFC, out of the
earthquakes, through the global dairy downturn. And despite all of those difficulties, New Zealand now has one of the best performing economies in the OECD. We have a government running a surplus, and unemployment is low and falling further. New Zealand
is getting a national network of fibre based high speed internet services that is the envy of countries like Australia. We have a very strong tourism sector. We have a world renown film industry. Health has never been so well funded nor produced so many
measurable outputs. There are a large number of massive transport infrastructure projects under way with more to come. People are welcoming new roading improvements and don't want Labour coming in with the Greens being the tail wagging the dog as they
cancel these sort of projects.

well for their own benefit seems to be the accepted commentary on
those years.

Now we are heading forward with a new / old prime minister, and a new minister of fincne - who it seems are retaining the old spin - English
says that there are a lot of things to be paid for before tax cuts can
be considered, but Steven Joyce is sounding much more positive - so
whatever happens they can say it has all been signalled well in
advance. On other matters government policy is, as it has been since
November 2008, unclear or non-existent - although they have picked up
a weak version of Labour policies for building a few houses.

National are visibly falling apart.

Yeah sure, that's right. One leadership change (unforced) in the last ten years
and consistently polling at or near 50%. Meanwhile labour have had four leadership changes forced on them in that time and consistently poll less than 30%. They're shedding
MPs and members, and their brand is so toxic that they have candidates campaigning without Labour branding on their hoardings.

Who's falling apart again Dickbot?

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