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  • Re: What an incompetent opposition we have

    From Fred@3:770/3 to Tony on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 17:05:14
    On 30/11/2016 4:31 PM, Tony wrote:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87049997/high-profile-defection-of-nick-leggett-to-national-will-rock-labour
    It is very unlikely he will unseat Faafoi, who is very popular in a very
    strong
    Labour electorate but why can Labour not hold onto people like this? Is it because the party is no longer viable or is it because they still have not found a leader that gets close to Helen Clark's calibre?
    Tony


    Both.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 21:31:03
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87049997/high-profile-defection-of-nick-leggett-to-national-will-rock-labour
    It is very unlikely he will unseat Faafoi, who is very popular in a very strong Labour electorate but why can Labour not hold onto people like this? Is it because the party is no longer viable or is it because they still have not found a leader that gets close to Helen Clark's calibre?
    Tony

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to dot nz on Thursday, December 01, 2016 21:51:51
    On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:31:03 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87049997/high-profile-defection-of-nick-leggett-to-national-will-rock-labour
    It is very unlikely he will unseat Faafoi, who is very popular in a very strong
    Labour electorate

    Faafoi does not resonate in the electorate to anywhere near the level
    of Leggett - who as Porirua Mayor had a far higher profile. Leggett
    though has the disadvantage of being a fish out of water - what effect
    his party-hopping has is hard to estimate. So its nondescript in a
    safe Labour seat up against a well-known former Labour member now
    wearing National Blue - should Leggett be selected.

    but why can Labour not hold onto people like this? Is it
    because the party is no longer viable or is it because they still have not >found a leader that gets close to Helen Clark's calibre?

    Its the Union party now, whose Parliamentary leader is only partly
    chosen by his caucus.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to Crash on Friday, December 02, 2016 08:52:06
    Crash wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:31:03 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87049997/high-profile-defection-of-nick-leggett-to-national-will-rock-labour
    It is very unlikely he will unseat Faafoi, who is very popular in a very >>strong Labour electorate

    Faafoi does not resonate in the electorate to anywhere near the level
    of Leggett - who as Porirua Mayor had a far higher profile. Leggett
    though has the disadvantage of being a fish out of water - what effect
    his party-hopping has is hard to estimate. So its nondescript in a
    safe Labour seat up against a well-known former Labour member now
    wearing National Blue - should Leggett be selected.

    but why can Labour not hold onto people like this? Is it
    because the party is no longer viable or is it because they still have not >>found a leader that gets close to Helen Clark's calibre?

    Its the Union party now, whose Parliamentary leader is only partly
    chosen by his caucus.

    It's strange that the leader is not chosen democratically.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to Crash on Thursday, December 01, 2016 14:58:42
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:31:03 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87049997/high-profile-defection-of-nick-leggett-to-national-will-rock-labour
    It is very unlikely he will unseat Faafoi, who is very popular in a very >>strong
    Labour electorate

    Faafoi does not resonate in the electorate to anywhere near the level
    of Leggett - who as Porirua Mayor had a far higher profile. Leggett
    though has the disadvantage of being a fish out of water - what effect
    his party-hopping has is hard to estimate. So its nondescript in a
    safe Labour seat up against a well-known former Labour member now
    wearing National Blue - should Leggett be selected.
    All of which is true but I will still be surprised if Faafoi is not re-elected next year.

    but why can Labour not hold onto people like this? Is it
    because the party is no longer viable or is it because they still have not >>found a leader that gets close to Helen Clark's calibre?

    Its the Union party now, whose Parliamentary leader is only partly
    chosen by his caucus.
    Yes and I often wonder how much that has affected the party following, after all most Labour voters probably believe in democracy and giving the unions that amount of power is completely undemocratic.
    Interesting times but I would prefer a strong opposition.

    Tony

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