• Castro - many-facetted heritage

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:01:55
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:57:35
    Rich80105 wrote:

    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    Tell that to the people he imprisoned well into the 1970s for not being heterosexual. To support such a man is as misguided as saying that Mother Theresa was a friend of the poor.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Allistar on Monday, November 28, 2016 16:41:51
    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:57:43 UTC+13, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    Tell that to the people he imprisoned well into the 1970s for not being heterosexual.

    That's nothing.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113590852154334404

    The guy is responsible for mass murder. Yet Dickbot seeks to minimise this. I am not surprised as he'd stooped this low many tomes.


    To support such a man is as misguided as saying that Mother
    Theresa was a friend of the poor.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 28, 2016 16:36:32
    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:01:56 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    What is utterly repugnant is your mealy-mouthed smarmy dismissal of the terrible crimes Castro committed. Thousands put before the firing squads. Free speech and free association suppressed. Contributed to near nuclear war. Turned
    Cuba into an
    impoverished satellite of the Soviet Union.

    Are those not enough "aspects" to simply brand him as a brutal, murderous despot with little more to be said?

    And don't start blubbering about the free healthcare and education. That only worked with free money from the Soviet Union and then Venezuela. We all know that all collapsed as is inevitable with communist states.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, November 28, 2016 20:37:36
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.
    There is no other side that we should even think about considering. To do so would make us as morally bankrupt as you are!
    He was evil, humankind must not allow such creatures to be in positions of power.
    Tony

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 16:42:03
    On 11/29/2016 1:41 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:57:43 UTC+13, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    Tell that to the people he imprisoned well into the 1970s for not being
    heterosexual.

    That's nothing.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113590852154334404

    The guy is responsible for mass murder. Yet Dickbot seeks to minimise this. I
    am not surprised as he'd stooped this low many tomes.

    And like all the Left he evidently was into the good life meanwhile
    claiming to be as poor as those he oppressed.
    No-one like the left for hypocrisy

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 17:01:15
    On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:36:32 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:01:56 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    What is utterly repugnant is your mealy-mouthed smarmy dismissal of the terrible crimes Castro committed. Thousands put before the firing squads. Free speech and free association suppressed. Contributed to near nuclear war. Turned
    Cuba into an
    impoverished satellite of the Soviet Union.
    What part of Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we
    found repugnant at the time, and still do" do you not understand?

    Are those not enough "aspects" to simply brand him as a brutal, murderous despot with little more to be said?
    Why should they be?

    And don't start blubbering about the free healthcare and education. That only worked with free money from the Soviet Union and then Venezuela. We all know that all collapsed as is inevitable with communist states.

    So you believe those in Merril Lynch and other merchant banks were
    part of a communist conspirtacy when their actionsled to the global
    financial crisis? Its all black and white to you, isn't it . JohnO -
    National can do no wrong - anyone not "right-thinking"in that way is a communist and automatically entirely wrong to you . . .

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 00:15:13
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:36:32 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:01:56 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    What is utterly repugnant is your mealy-mouthed smarmy dismissal of the >>terrible crimes Castro committed. Thousands put before the firing squads. Free
    speech and free association suppressed. Contributed to near nuclear war. Turned
    Cuba into an impoverished satellite of the Soviet Union.
    What part of Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we
    found repugnant at the time, and still do" do you not understand?

    Are those not enough "aspects" to simply brand him as a brutal, murderous >>despot with little more to be said?
    Why should they be?

    And don't start blubbering about the free healthcare and education. That only >>worked with free money from the Soviet Union and then Venezuela. We all know >>that all collapsed as is inevitable with communist states.

    So you believe those in Merril Lynch and other merchant banks were
    part of a communist conspirtacy when their actionsled to the global
    financial crisis? Its all black and white to you, isn't it . JohnO -
    National can do no wrong - anyone not "right-thinking"in that way is a >communist and automatically entirely wrong to you . . .
    This has absolutely nothing to do with National or Labour or any other New Zealand political party. It is all to do with morality, he was evil and you somehow manage to see some good in him.
    Tony

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, November 28, 2016 23:43:13
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:36:32 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:01:56 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    What is utterly repugnant is your mealy-mouthed smarmy dismissal of the >>terrible crimes Castro committed. Thousands put before the firing squads. Free
    speech and free association suppressed. Contributed to near nuclear war. Turned
    Cuba into an impoverished satellite of the Soviet Union.
    What part of Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we
    found repugnant at the time, and still do" do you not understand?

    Are those not enough "aspects" to simply brand him as a brutal, murderous >>despot with little more to be said?
    Why should they be?

    And don't start blubbering about the free healthcare and education. That only >>worked with free money from the Soviet Union and then Venezuela. We all know >>that all collapsed as is inevitable with communist states.

    So you believe those in Merril Lynch and other merchant banks were
    part of a communist conspirtacy when their actionsled to the global
    financial crisis? Its all black and white to you, isn't it . JohnO -
    National can do no wrong - anyone not "right-thinking"in that way is a >communist and automatically entirely wrong to you . . .
    This has absolutely nothing to do with National or Labour or any other New Zealand political party. It is all to do with morality. he was evil and you somehow manage to see some good in him.
    Tony

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 00:26:09
    george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
    On 11/29/2016 1:41 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:57:43 UTC+13, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot >>>> have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    Tell that to the people he imprisoned well into the 1970s for not being
    heterosexual.

    That's nothing.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113590852154334404

    The guy is responsible for mass murder. Yet Dickbot seeks to minimise this. >>I am not surprised as he'd stooped this low many tomes.

    And like all the Left he evidently was into the good life meanwhile
    claiming to be as poor as those he oppressed.
    No-one like the left for hypocrisy
    There is no single example of communism being successful for more than a handful of years.
    What was in place in Cuba, as you have indicated, was actually not communism any more than it has ever been in Russia, the USSR or China.
    Equally left wing regimes have always failed. The only politics that have ever worked have been centrist- in other words a balance between social caring and free enterprise; the latter funding the former. Those people that enjoy extreme political views are deluded. Rich is a closet communist and will completely fail to gain traction because he does not care about people in any way at all! Tony

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 28, 2016 23:20:58
    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:01:19 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:36:32 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:01:56 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    What is utterly repugnant is your mealy-mouthed smarmy dismissal of the
    terrible crimes Castro committed. Thousands put before the firing squads. Free speech and free association suppressed. Contributed to near nuclear war. Turned
    Cuba into an
    impoverished satellite of the Soviet Union.
    What part of Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we
    found repugnant at the time, and still do" do you not understand?

    By saying 'aspects' you intentionally and utterly minimise the horror of Castro's rule.


    Are those not enough "aspects" to simply brand him as a brutal, murderous
    despot with little more to be said?
    Why should they be?

    And don't start blubbering about the free healthcare and education. That
    only worked with free money from the Soviet Union and then Venezuela. We all know that all collapsed as is inevitable with communist states.

    So you believe those in Merril Lynch and other merchant banks were
    part of a communist conspirtacy when their actionsled to the global
    financial crisis? Its all black and white to you, isn't it . JohnO -

    How many people did Merryl Lynch murder, imprison and torture? That you would even bring them into the discussion once again shows your disgusting position.

    National can do no wrong

    Don't be so stupid.

    - anyone not "right-thinking"in that way is a
    communist and automatically entirely wrong to you . . .

    What on earth are you dribbling and diverting about? Of course Castro is a communist. That's the topic, along with the disgusting toadying up to the Castro corpse by yourself and other lefties.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 02, 2016 11:42:14
    On 29/11/2016 5:01 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:36:32 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:01:56 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    What is utterly repugnant is your mealy-mouthed smarmy dismissal of the terrible crimes Castro committed. Thousands put before the firing squads. Free speech and free association suppressed. Contributed to near nuclear war. Turned
    Cuba into an
    impoverished satellite of the Soviet Union.
    What part of Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we
    found repugnant at the time, and still do" do you not understand?

    Are those not enough "aspects" to simply brand him as a brutal, murderous despot with little more to be said?
    Why should they be?


    Because they're the uncomfortable truth about the despotic prick Rich.
    But you go on ignoring the truth about your hero's

    And don't start blubbering about the free healthcare and education. That only worked with free money from the Soviet Union and then Venezuela. We all know that all collapsed as is inevitable with communist states.

    So you believe those in Merril Lynch and other merchant banks were
    part of a communist conspirtacy when their actionsled to the global
    financial crisis? Its all black and white to you, isn't it . JohnO -
    National can do no wrong - anyone not "right-thinking"in that way is a communist and automatically entirely wrong to you . . .


    Irrelevant. Pretty typical of you Rich when you find yourself once again defending the indefensible.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Friday, December 02, 2016 11:39:19
    On 29/11/2016 1:36 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:01:56 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.

    What is utterly repugnant is your mealy-mouthed smarmy dismissal of the
    terrible crimes Castro committed. Thousands put before the firing squads. Free speech and free association suppressed. Contributed to near nuclear war. Turned
    Cuba into an
    impoverished satellite of the Soviet Union.

    Are those not enough "aspects" to simply brand him as a brutal, murderous
    despot with little more to be said?

    And don't start blubbering about the free healthcare and education. That only
    worked with free money from the Soviet Union and then Venezuela. We all know that all collapsed as is inevitable with communist states.


    The free healthcare was really minimal healthcare. Hospitals were either shadows of their former selves or if they had full medical facilities
    only reserved for the leadership and it's hanger ons. Education was
    outright brainwashing of the masses! So typical of marxist like Rich and
    angry liddle Andy!

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Friday, December 02, 2016 11:35:13
    On 29/11/2016 11:01 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    An article telling another side or view of Castro. It certainly cannot
    have been easy to achieve what was achieved being located close to a
    hostile United States - New Zealand knbows the benefit of access to
    trade; the restrictions will have severely affected Cuba.

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/cuba-vs-usa-what-castro-really-achieved.html

    Undoubteldy there were aspects of his regime that we found repugnant
    at the time, and still do, but hysterical paranoia and one-sided
    attacks echoing battles of the past do us no credit.


    The Cuban regime was propped up by the USSR you ignorant left wing loon!

    The bastard killed everyone who opposed hi and his marxist beliefs. He
    was a typical power mad left wing dictator who didn't give a damn about
    the suffering of the poor!

    One sided defence of the marxist only demonstrates how quickly people
    forget and sugar coat his atrocities! And you want that for New Zealand?

    Pooh

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