JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/situation."
Quote "There are a number of inaccurate and misleading statements circulating in the media that feed false hope. In our view the media and others do a disservice to the families in continuing to misrepresent the factual
I wonder whether there is even the tiniest chance that Rich will feel guiltat
his constant lying about this and whether he will actually start to think of the families instead of his totally misplaced pseudo political agenda. Iwonder!
Tony
On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 16:08:03 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:Oh OK!
Quote "There are a number of inaccurate and misleading statements >>circulatinghttp://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
in the media that feed false hope. In our view the media and others do a
disservice to the families in continuing to misrepresent the factual >>situation."
I wonder whether there is even the tiniest chance that Rich will feel guilt >>at
his constant lying about this and whether he will actually start to think of >> the families instead of his totally misplaced pseudo political agenda. I >>wonder!
Tony
No chance. Psychopaths such as Dickbot lack the required empathy.
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the
shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite
wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for
the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started
dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to
the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't
rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the
shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite
wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for
the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started
dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to
the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't
rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped.
nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the >>shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite >>wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for >>the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started >>dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to >>the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't >>rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped. >nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . .
.
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:27:02 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:dangerous and you've got one expert paid by the family that says it's ok to go in there.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the
shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite >> >>wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for
the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started
dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to
the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't
rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped. >> >nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . .
.
Yep so you got one expert paid by the company that says don't go in there it's
The lives of whoever goes into that mine are at stake. Do you do it? Just so you can explore the drift that contains no bodies, as far as a rock fall blockage that has already been by robot?And yet the only expert report we have seen recently says that the
Why would you risk lives for no benefit whatsoever?Many do not believe that there is no potential benefit. I have not
They shouldn't go near it.Are you a mine expert? The only report we have seen says that with
Solid Energy has advise that it is not safe. If anything goes wrong they are the ones that carry the can. They've made the right decision.Solid Energy have said that legislation passed since the Pike River
And Dickbot, you making a soap box out of the bodies of the miners is not helping anyone.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:13:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>it's dangerous and you've got one expert paid by the family that says it's ok to go in there.
wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:27:02 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the
shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite >> >>wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for >> >>the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started
dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to >> >>the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't >> >>rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped. >> >nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . .
.
Yep so you got one expert paid by the company that says don't go in there
I haven;t seen any expert quoted by the company - do you have a cite?
you can explore the drift that contains no bodies, as far as a rock fall blockage that has already been by robot?The lives of whoever goes into that mine are at stake. Do you do it? Just so
And yet the only expert report we have seen recently says that the
risk is acceptable.
Why would you risk lives for no benefit whatsoever?Many do not believe that there is no potential benefit. I have not
seen any reports that support your assertions about there definitely
being no bodies to find in the areas which could now be safely
searched.
They shouldn't go near it.Are you a mine expert? The only report we have seen says that with appropriate precaustions it is acceptably safe.
the ones that carry the can. They've made the right decision.Solid Energy has advise that it is not safe. If anything goes wrong they are
Solid Energy have said that legislation passed since the Pike River
Tragedy means that they are potentially liable if it is passed on from
their ownership to another government agency without current
constraints on entry being made permanent, because the Department of Conservation which plans alternative use of the land. . They have not
given any expert evidence disputing the expert who has said that it
can be safely entered. Their concern arises from a chain of government decisions, which either deliberately or not, have resulted in the
interests of the Directors of Solid Energy being inconsistent with
John Keys promise. The answer is that he government can amend that
chain for example by transferring ownership not to DoC but to DPMC,
where the Minister in charge can ensure that it is properly treated as
a crime scene to enable all reasonable avenues to be explored to find
out just what happened and to enable the bodies to be brought out.
Does a promise from the Prime Minister mean anything? So far it seems
to lead to a tangle of government initiated company posturing, careful selection of expert opinion from old reports, a neglext to commission updated reports, and money being put before workers and their
families.
helping anyone.And Dickbot, you making a soap box out of the bodies of the miners is not
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the
shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite >>> wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for
the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started
dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to
the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't
rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped.
nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . .
.
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:27:02 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:it's dangerous and you've got one expert paid by the family that says it's ok to go in there.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the
shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite >>>> wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for >>>> the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started
dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to >>>> the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't >>>> rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped. >>> nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . .
.
Yep so you got one expert paid by the company that says don't go in there
The lives of whoever goes into that mine are at stake. Do you do it? Just soyou can explore the drift that contains no bodies, as far as a rock fall blockage that has already been by robot?
Why would you risk lives for no benefit whatsoever?the ones that carry the can. They've made the right decision.
They shouldn't go near it.
Solid Energy has advise that it is not safe. If anything goes wrong they are
And Dickbot, you making a soap box out of the bodies of the miners is nothelping anyone.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:13:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>you can explore the drift that contains no bodies, as far as a rock fall blockage that has already been by robot?
wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:27:02 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:I haven;t seen any expert quoted by the company - do you have a cite?
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the >>>>> shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite >>>>> wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for >>>>> the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started >>>>> dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to >>>>> the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't >>>>> rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped. >>>> nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . .
.
Yep so you got one expert paid by the company that says don't go in there it's dangerous and you've got one expert paid by the family that says it's ok to go in there.
The lives of whoever goes into that mine are at stake. Do you do it? Just so
And yet the only expert report we have seen recently says that the
risk is acceptable.
Why would you risk lives for no benefit whatsoever?Many do not believe that there is no potential benefit. I have not
seen any reports that support your assertions about there definitely
being no bodies to find in the areas which could now be safely
searched.
They shouldn't go near it.Are you a mine expert? The only report we have seen says that with appropriate precaustions it is acceptably safe.
the ones that carry the can. They've made the right decision.Solid Energy has advise that it is not safe. If anything goes wrong they are
And Dickbot, you making a soap box out of the bodies of the miners is not helping anyone.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>You finally got it right, after much prompting. That is all he has ever promised despite your lie that he promised to get the bodies out. Well done despite it being toom little too late.
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the >>>shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite >>>wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for >>>the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started >>>dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to >>>the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't >>>rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped. >>nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . .
.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the >>shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite >>wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for
the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started >>dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to
the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't >>rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped.
nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 17:36:36 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:released so we do not know what was said in it.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:13:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:27:02 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:I haven;t seen any expert quoted by the company - do you have a cite?
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the
shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite
wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for >> >> >>the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started
dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to >> >> >>the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't >> >> >>rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped.
nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . .
.
Yep so you got one expert paid by the company that says don't go in there it's dangerous and you've got one expert paid by the family that says it's ok to go in there.
FFS it is at the very start of this thread you time-wasting illiterate fool. That appears to be the 2012 report. Whatever it was it has not been
transer to DPMandC it would no longer be Solid Energy's call, and the
The lives of whoever goes into that mine are at stake. Do you do it? Just so you can explore the drift that contains no bodies, as far as a rock fall blockage that has already been by robot?And yet the only expert report we have seen recently says that the
risk is acceptable.
Only Solid Energy can make that call as they are liable for the consequences. By government design since the tragedy . If the government arranged
Some appewar to believe they didnt cover all of it.'What report are
Why would you risk lives for no benefit whatsoever?Many do not believe that there is no potential benefit. I have not
seen any reports that support your assertions about there definitely
being no bodies to find in the areas which could now be safely
searched.
FFS as has been posted many times there is a rockfall blocking the drift and robots went up the drift between explosions.
The miners were in the working areas of the mine. Not the drift. Everybody apart from you seems to know this.The 2 that got out were where?
So what other report have you seen that is not years old?They shouldn't go near it.Are you a mine expert? The only report we have seen says that with
appropriate precaustions it is acceptably safe.
So you keep repeating, and every time you repeat you demonstrate your fucking ignorance.
They are broke! All the government has to do is transfer ownership to
Solid Energy has advise that it is not safe. If anything goes wrong they are the ones that carry the can. They've made the right decision.Solid Energy have said that legislation passed since the Pike River
Tragedy means that they are potentially liable if it is passed on from
Drivel. If Solid energy as owners and operators of the mine send or allow to be sent anyone up the mine, then they are liable under OSH law for any consequences.
Key promised that he would do all he could - he hasn't, and isn't.their ownership to another government agency without current
constraints on entry being made permanent, because the Department of
Conservation which plans alternative use of the land. . They have not
given any expert evidence disputing the expert who has said that it
can be safely entered. Their concern arises from a chain of government
decisions, which either deliberately or not, have resulted in the
interests of the Directors of Solid Energy being inconsistent with
John Keys promise. The answer is that he government can amend that
chain for example by transferring ownership not to DoC but to DPMC,
where the Minister in charge can ensure that it is properly treated as
a crime scene to enable all reasonable avenues to be explored to find
out just what happened and to enable the bodies to be brought out.
Does a promise from the Prime Minister mean anything? So far it seems
Key promised they would do their best. They have. He didn't promise to endanger more lives by looking around an empty drift.
All you have is personal abuse. Read the link I posted.to lead to a tangle of government initiated company posturing, careful
selection of expert opinion from old reports, a neglext to commission
updated reports, and money being put before workers and their
families.
You clearly either don't know what you are talking about, or simply seek political capital out of a tragedy. You are contemptible fucking slime either way.
I think a prime minster should, if possible, meet his promises, and
And Dickbot, you making a soap box out of the bodies of the miners is not helping anyone.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:45:45 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>wrote:
wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 17:36:36 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:13:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:27:02 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com>
quite
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the >> >> >>shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got
forwild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility
tothe lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started >> >> >>dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped
didn'tthe very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and
helped.rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have
it's dangerous and you've got one expert paid by the family that says it's ok to go in there.nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793 >> >>
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying
on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not
saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is
right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . . >> >> .
Yep so you got one expert paid by the company that says don't go in there
I haven;t seen any expert quoted by the company - do you have a cite?
FFS it is at the very start of this thread you time-wasting illiterate fool. That appears to be the 2012 report. Whatever it was it has not beenreleased so we do not know what was said in it.
so you can explore the drift that contains no bodies, as far as a rock fall blockage that has already been by robot?
The lives of whoever goes into that mine are at stake. Do you do it? Just
consequences.And yet the only expert report we have seen recently says that the
risk is acceptable.
Only Solid Energy can make that call as they are liable for the
By government design since the tragedy . If the government arrangedrobots went up the drift between explosions.
transer to DPMandC it would no longer be Solid Energy's call, and the Directors would not be liable.
Why would you risk lives for no benefit whatsoever?Many do not believe that there is no potential benefit. I have not
seen any reports that support your assertions about there definitely
being no bodies to find in the areas which could now be safely
searched.
FFS as has been posted many times there is a rockfall blocking the drift and
Some appewar to believe they didnt cover all of it.'What report areapart from you seems to know this.
you relying on?
The miners were in the working areas of the mine. Not the drift. Everybody
The 2 that got out were where?fucking ignorance.
They shouldn't go near it.Are you a mine expert? The only report we have seen says that with
appropriate precaustions it is acceptably safe.
So you keep repeating, and every time you repeat you demonstrate your
So what other report have you seen that is not years old?
are the ones that carry the can. They've made the right decision.
Solid Energy has advise that it is not safe. If anything goes wrong they
be sent anyone up the mine, then they are liable under OSH law for any consequences.Solid Energy have said that legislation passed since the Pike River
Tragedy means that they are potentially liable if it is passed on from
Drivel. If Solid energy as owners and operators of the mine send or allow to
They are broke! All the government has to do is transfer ownership to
the government now!
endanger more lives by looking around an empty drift.their ownership to another government agency without current
constraints on entry being made permanent, because the Department of
Conservation which plans alternative use of the land. . They have not
given any expert evidence disputing the expert who has said that it
can be safely entered. Their concern arises from a chain of government
decisions, which either deliberately or not, have resulted in the
interests of the Directors of Solid Energy being inconsistent with
John Keys promise. The answer is that he government can amend that
chain for example by transferring ownership not to DoC but to DPMC,
where the Minister in charge can ensure that it is properly treated as
a crime scene to enable all reasonable avenues to be explored to find
out just what happened and to enable the bodies to be brought out.
Does a promise from the Prime Minister mean anything? So far it seems
Key promised they would do their best. They have. He didn't promise to
Key promised that he would do all he could - he hasn't, and isn't.
political capital out of a tragedy. You are contemptible fucking slime either way.to lead to a tangle of government initiated company posturing, careful
selection of expert opinion from old reports, a neglext to commission
updated reports, and money being put before workers and their
families.
You clearly either don't know what you are talking about, or simply seek
All you have is personal abuse. Read the link I posted.
helping anyone.
And Dickbot, you making a soap box out of the bodies of the miners is not
I think a prime minster should, if possible, meet his promises, and
the family deserve better than they have received or are receiving.
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 18:37:58 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:it's dangerous and you've got one expert paid by the family that says it's ok to go in there.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:45:45 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 17:36:36 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:13:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:27:02 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 23:38:38 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:00:45 +1300, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 22/11/2016 3:56 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.solidenergy.co.nz/statement-from-the-directors-of-solid-energy-re-the-sealing-of-the-pike-river-mine/
Another interesting fact that came out of Mondays doco was about the >>>>>>>> shortage of mines inspectors at the time of the disaster. Rich got quite
wild when I suggested Labour should take some of the responsibility for
the lack. Then on the doco it was explained that the numbers started >>>>>>>> dropping around 1998 under the National government but then dropped to >>>>>>>> the very low levels (was two if memory serves me right) 2002 and didn't
rise again till National got back in as government in 2008.
Pooh
Blaming the lack of mines inspectors is a red hearing.
The miners were very experienced They would of known there was
high levels of gas. covering up the gas detectors would not have helped.
nor would the reports of smoking help.
Yet they carried on working.
Maybe the extreme wages were a factor.
This one is not going away:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753793 >>>>>>
The comopany has not released any evidence that it has been relying >>>>>> on, and Key has gone from saying he has not seen any reports to not >>>>>> saying anything. It may need government intervention to get what is >>>>>> right done - and after all John Key did promise to do all he could . . >>>>>> .
Yep so you got one expert paid by the company that says don't go in there
so you can explore the drift that contains no bodies, as far as a rock fall blockage that has already been by robot?That appears to be the 2012 report. Whatever it was it has not beenI haven;t seen any expert quoted by the company - do you have a cite?
FFS it is at the very start of this thread you time-wasting illiterate fool.
released so we do not know what was said in it.
The lives of whoever goes into that mine are at stake. Do you do it? Just
reason.By government design since the tragedy . If the government arrangedAnd yet the only expert report we have seen recently says that the
risk is acceptable.
Only Solid Energy can make that call as they are liable for the consequences.
transer to DPMandC it would no longer be Solid Energy's call, and the
Directors would not be liable.
Some appewar to believe they didnt cover all of it.'What report are
Why would you risk lives for no benefit whatsoever?Many do not believe that there is no potential benefit. I have not
seen any reports that support your assertions about there definitely
being no bodies to find in the areas which could now be safely
searched.
FFS as has been posted many times there is a rockfall blocking the drift and robots went up the drift between explosions.
you relying on?
The miners were in the working areas of the mine. Not the drift. Everybody apart from you seems to know this.The 2 that got out were where?
So what other report have you seen that is not years old?They shouldn't go near it.Are you a mine expert? The only report we have seen says that with
appropriate precaustions it is acceptably safe.
So you keep repeating, and every time you repeat you demonstrate your fucking ignorance.
As reported by Solid Energy "conditions have not changed"
They are broke! All the government has to do is transfer ownership to
Solid Energy has advise that it is not safe. If anything goes wrong they are the ones that carry the can. They've made the right decision.Solid Energy have said that legislation passed since the Pike River
Tragedy means that they are potentially liable if it is passed on from
Drivel. If Solid energy as owners and operators of the mine send or allow to be sent anyone up the mine, then they are liable under OSH law for any consequences.
the government now!
Doesn't make it any safer. No point in entering a dangerous mine for no
helping anyone.
Key promised that he would do all he could - he hasn't, and isn't.their ownership to another government agency without current
constraints on entry being made permanent, because the Department of
Conservation which plans alternative use of the land. . They have not
given any expert evidence disputing the expert who has said that it
can be safely entered. Their concern arises from a chain of government >>>> decisions, which either deliberately or not, have resulted in the
interests of the Directors of Solid Energy being inconsistent with
John Keys promise. The answer is that he government can amend that
chain for example by transferring ownership not to DoC but to DPMC,
where the Minister in charge can ensure that it is properly treated as >>>> a crime scene to enable all reasonable avenues to be explored to find
out just what happened and to enable the bodies to be brought out.
Does a promise from the Prime Minister mean anything? So far it seems
Key promised they would do their best. They have. He didn't promise to endanger more lives by looking around an empty drift.
He has. He never promised to put more people in harm's way for no benefit.
All you have is personal abuse. Read the link I posted.
to lead to a tangle of government initiated company posturing, careful >>>> selection of expert opinion from old reports, a neglext to commission >>>> updated reports, and money being put before workers and their
families.
You clearly either don't know what you are talking about, or simply seek political capital out of a tragedy. You are contemptible fucking slime either way.
Not abuse. Fact. Already seen your link. One expert vs another. Safety wins.
And Dickbot, you making a soap box out of the bodies of the miners is not
I think a prime minster should, if possible, meet his promises, and
the family deserve better than they have received or are receiving.
They deserve better than having fuckwits like you using them.
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